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The problem is that bible thumping middle America will make sure Angie wins for she is white Christian unless others americans stand up for Candace or Amber. At least that is how it has gone before and the major reason i developed a distaste for AI.

How it has gone before? Care to give any examples?

Wasn't Colton an aspiring Christian artist last season - who is also white? He came in seventh, I think. While a black guy came in third and a Philippino came in second. So how is America actually voting? Weren't there minorities represented in this year's Top 10? Black and Hispanic? And aren't there two African American girls still in the competition at Top 4? This is due to votes. I doubt America suddenly gets prejudiced near the end of the competition and decides to vote on race or religion, when it doesn't seem as if they have ever done that earlier in the competition.

I don't think Amber or Candice should win because other Americans "stand up for" them because of their color, they should win or not based on merit and the competition should be colorblind.

If you compare Canadian Idol to American Idol, there was never a black winner of CI but there have been two black winners of AI.
 
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Something else I want to add about Candice. The girl can sing, but I have to admit that I find her completely unlikable (in addiction to being a boring performer). I can barely watch her when she sings because she makes these snarling faces that just bother me to no end. I mean, that kind of face can be appropriate for rock week, but she ALWAYS has that face when she sings. I just can't connect with her because she shows me "snarling" instead of vulnerability. Also, in almost all the pre-performance cute videos with all the contestants, she pretty much came across as a bitch. I mean, during one of the packages when she's arguing with Burnell, I found her so irritating that I actually said "shut up" to my TV screen. I just can't root for this girl.
 

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Ha! Yes, one of my previous post on Candice. I can't say I find her suddenly super likeable, but these last few weeks, I believe she has shown vulnerability and mostly, she has proven that she is a savvy contestant. So, there you go, proof that she has grown on me, because of her talent.
 

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Oops, sorry about that post, I just was putting it there temporarily, to select a few words from it, but then, I left it there for over an hour and the forum wouldn't let me go back and edit it!

I was just going to use the part where you said you disliked her. Well, anyway, that answers my question - which was going to be, do you now like Candice more than Amber? Because, previously, I would have said you didn't like either of them.

I like Amber more than Candice. Well, you know I've always liked her voice the most. But I think she has more "it" factor than the ones who are left, at this point (Janelle having left). Tell me something. Do you resent for some reason that she has some sex appeal, or is it just that you're annoyed that they seem to be pushing her because they think they can sell her on sex appeal? I mean I'm just taking this from some of what you've written before. ("Legs," etc.)

You know, there have been many male contestants that have been squeed over, drooled over, and crushed on, by many female Idol fans, and this is just considered par for the course. But Amber is just the female equivalent of those male contestants. She isn't drop-dead gorgeous, or super hot. She's more cute, but with an indefinable something. And she has singing talent. I don't see why this is bad.

Also because she has singing talent, and potential, she's not Lazaro, so if she's overpraised, yes, it's undeserved, but it doesn't have the same effect, for me, because she does deserve some praise.

As for singing Celine vs singing Drake, I agree it was odd to call Amber current after choosing to sing Celeine - but on the other hand, I don't think it made Candice current just because she chose to sing Drake. I didn't think either performance was outstanding. But if I was actually producing records and I wanted to sell a current type of artist, I would choose Amber, for many reasons. Youthfulness, attractiveness, a lighter, more pop oriented singing voice.
 

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I DEFINITELY like Candice more than Amber, no contest. Since that stupid reply Amber made to Slezak obviously. Also, Candice has proven to be an interesting Idol contestant. Amber, not at all. She has potential, I'll give you that, but she makes terrible choices. On the contrary, Candice makes unpredictable choices. And the other thing is the "Make Amber Happen" program that I've talked about. Not her fault, but still, I, and others, can't help but hold it against her. And the fact that she seems to be believing her own hype is very much a turn off.

I don't resent at all that she has sex appeal! And I'm almost offended that you would think that! But I DO resent that they're trying to make her happen because of that. It's SO obvious. Like Slezak said in his recap of Wednesday's show, it's almost as if I've tuned into the Miss American Idol pageant. If guys want to crush on her, that's fine with me. And yes, I do like cute and sexy artists. BUT, talent is always the most important thing. And so far, Amber hasn't shown me that her talent as a singer is what I should concentrate on instead of her looks (and if the show and Nicki mostly hadn't been so intent on talking about her looks, I probably would never have talked about them either). And I just don't see the it factor. I don't think any of these girls have it. Amber just feels as if she's shmoozing to the camera most of the times. So does Angie. I really hate that.

Maybe you like Amber's voice, but personally, I don't think it's all that. She sounds flat on the low notes and shrill on the higher notes, and for me, it's more attractive that a singer (especially on Idol) displays artistry and knows who they are as an artist. This is probably why, even though I'm not a fan of either Candice or Amber's tones, I like Candice better now. Also, Candice is actually more consistent voice-wise, she doesn't have terrible performances like Amber's performance of that stupid disco song last week. I like that I can depend on Candice to give a good performance no matter what.

At this point, I don't want to say that she doesn't deserve some praise. But when the praise actually has nothing to do with the performance she gave, it's ridiculous. The "you're so current" praise shouldn't have been uttered last week at all for her, it didn't make sense. And the "you sounded great on the high notes" after Macarthur Park was just not true, she was all over the place. How can she get better if they don't give her constructive critiscm? That's what made the critiscm of Kree and Candice stand out so much, some of it was ridiculous, but some of it was also accurate. But when you don't critizice the girl (Amber) who probably warranted it the most, in my opinion, it just doesn't work, and that's what happened last week. People are not stupid, they'll know when a contestant is pushed down their throats.
 
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The problem is that bible thumping middle America will make sure Angie wins for she is white Christian unless others americans stand up for Candace or Amber. At least that is how it has gone before and the major reason i developed a distaste for AI.

WOW....that is the most racist thing I have ever heard in this thread! I know you are new here but from what I have seen of you in a couple of other threads you are really an ignoramus. The winners of AI have usually been the most marketable, not the most talented and especially not the most white. Your interpretation of how America votes turns my stomach and makes me pity any children you may have that were raised surrounded by such a detrimental and racist attitude.
 

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Well, to be honest, I like Candice in that I'd give her **1/2 or *** stars out of four. Mainly because what's left is slim pickins. But I haven't suddenly turned into a fan.

Maybe you like Amber's voice, but personally, I don't think it's all that. She sounds flat on the low notes and shrill on the higher notes, and for me, it's more attractive that a singer (especially on Idol) displays artistry and knows who they are as an artist. This is probably why, even though I'm not a fan of either Candice or Amber's tones, I like Candice better now. Also, Candice is actually more consistent voice-wise, she doesn't have terrible performances like Amber's performance of that stupid disco song last week. I like that I can depend on Candice to give a good performance no matter what.

I understand where you're coming from. I don't think Amber is all that, but some of what I hear when she hits those not-great notes is an untrained voice. Or an inexperienced singer. I'm not saying she's great, but I don't think that constitutes badness. I think there's a difference. I know your problem with her has to do with her not being an "artist" although sometimes I prefer a voice I like to an artist I don't like much.

Yes, Candice is more reliable but honestly when I want to be entertained I don't want reliable, I want exciting or magical. Not that Amber is those things, I just see some potential for a lot of improvement, rather than no potential. I also like her tone when she's in her comfort zone.

You know, Phillip Phillips was the game changer. Because he had a very limited vocal ability, he somehow was exempt from a lot of the judgements that better (or let's say, technically better) singers have to get. As if his limited voice was an excuse for everything. "He just sings like that. He doesn't hit notes. He opens his mouth to sing a high note and nothing comes out. He's off key. It's a style."

It never seemed very fair. It's kind of like going into the Olympics and you can only skate forward and backward, but hey, that's the best you're capable of, so, no problem! Which is okay if that's all anyone else is expected to do, except the rest continue to be judged by the usual Idol standards. You can't hit a high note? Off with your head!

Since Phillip, it just strikes me as odd that many people get judged at all, for not hitting notes, being shrill, sounding harsh, sounding off key. It seems pointless now that someone who did all those things every week won the show.

Anyhow I'd rather hear Amber hit a few off notes on MacArthur park, or not have round tones, than listen to Phillip croak his way through it with his eyes closed.
 
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LOL, we can agree on one thing ross. Idol is not very fair. I wonder how is it that we seem to forget that every year! LOL.

In a way, it all comes down to personal preference. I do prefer P2's croak to Amber's voice. In a way, P2 knew who he was and while I wasn't the biggest fan of him last year, I do respect that he stuck to what he knew he could do best. It did give us one of the best performance last year, when he did that Damien Rice song, instead of sticking to the list of pre-approved songs. In the end, I think it makes for a more interesting album afterwards.

I think it would make for a more interesting show if they chose the best people they found, regardless of gender or race, and they judged them fairly and gave them constructive criticsm when it's warranted and encouragement also sometimes. I think you would agree with me, and a lot of people would. But for some reason, they think we can't think for ourselves or have our own personal tastes that don't necessarily fit into that limited mold or model they want to encourage.

There is potential with Amber, I don't deny that. She has vocal abilities and she's super pretty. Now, she needs guidance, she needs to develop her own personal style (of music, I don't mean her personal style of lipstick or of booty shorts). She needs help finding what works with her voice and what doesn't. She's not going to get this guidance with these judges calling her hot and Nicki wanting to be her best friend. But what they probably want is a pretty girl who can sing whatever they'll give her after the show, I think that's just wrong and it's not going to work, who'll want to buy an album like that?

In any case, there's almost no chance of me buying any music from these girls. Even though I love Kree's voice, I haven't bought any of her Idol songs.
 

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I think we can agree the show isn't fair and the judging sucks. lol

Last season I disliked Phillip, though I remember defending him once, here, for being a little more organically himself than the others. But it was not enthusiastic. lol

Someone I know from twitter is a P2 fan and went to one of his concerts, and tweeted, now that she had gone to one she never had to go to another one. She said she loved it when he sang, but he didn't sing much. "Didn't sing much" ?? How could that be possible (I wondered). So she explained that he sings a bit, then his band mates take really long solos on every song, that seem to last forever. Some songs feel like "20 minutes long."

I saw a pic of his band, they look older, they look very professional and experienced. There's even a flute player in his band. Anyhow, doesn't this performance style strike you as bizarre for a reigning Idol winner? Where a fan is disappointed he doesn't sing enough?

So I thought maybe he needs to rest his voice a lot and this was a way to get around it and not make it look like that's what he's doing. idk
 

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In the end it doesn't matter to me who wins. All 3 if them: Candace, Angie and Amber are talented. I prefer Candices voice and delivery but if one of the other two wins I'll be happy for her.

How it has gone before? Care to give any examples?

Wasn't Colton an aspiring Christian artist last season - who is also white? He came in seventh, I think. While a black guy came in third and a Philippino came in second. So how is America actually voting? Weren't there minorities represented in this year's Top 10? Black and Hispanic? And aren't there two African American girls still in the competition at Top 4? This is due to votes. I doubt America suddenly gets prejudiced near the end of the competition and decides to vote on race or religion, when it doesn't seem as if they have ever done that earlier in the competition.

I don't think Amber or Candice should win because other Americans "stand up for" them because of their color, they should win or not based on merit and the competition should be colorblind.

If you compare Canadian Idol to American Idol, there was never a black winner of CI but there have been two black winners of AI.
My words are misconstrued. Obviously I didn't make very good choice when I was putting them down but I actually was not implying racism.
 

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My words are misconstrued. Obviously I didn't make very good choice when I was putting them down but I actually was not implying racism.
I'll just quote the whole post because I don't think I misconstrued your words.

Yr comment re Angie resonates. I told hubby i do not know why but she makes so uncomfortable. I don't know her. Maybe it is the too white toothy cheerleader persona or the too perfect performances. She strikes me as talented beauty queen-type with layers of make-up hiding the emptiness inside. This emptiness comes thru her music si it does does nothing for me. I imagine her coming out of a heavy metal concert praising Jesus. It is too eerie.

Have to go with Candace's rich tones and convincing delivery; she gives me good goosebumps. Having said that Amber is such a sweetie and has so much potential that I am torn 'tween the two. The problem is that bible thumping middle America will make sure Angie wins for she is white Christian unless others americans stand up for Candace or Amber. At least that is how it has gone before and the major reason i developed a distaste for AI.
For the record, I didn't say what you wrote was racist, that was PoliticalNick. I was taking exception to your depiction of middle America having a religious and racial agenda as regards American Idol voting. I don't think that was misconstrued. Was it? The only thing that I'd call a racist comment is when you called Angie "too white" but maybe you meant her teeth, it's hard to tell.

What's ironic is that Angie is from a the same area as me, the North Shore area of Boston, and this is one of the most liberal areas in the whole USA.

Anyhow I didn't mean to go off on you for what you wrote, it's just a pet peeve of mine about the Idol voting. I think the best people usually end up in the Top spots based on their talent and likability and mainly those two things.
 
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Yes Ross, it was me that interjected the "R" word because that is how I read the context of the post and I stand by my position on it.

Now back to the show.....

I am soooo done with Amber. I don't even think it is really anything about her because she does have a good voice. I think the over-the-top pimping by the judges and what appears to be a concerted effort by the producers to make her win. Am I wrong in wanting to slap Iovine when he called her 'current' after she has done nothing but Whitney and Celine for the entire show. Maybe she is getting bad guidance with her song choices but if one wants to be current on either the pop or R&B charts then one needs to do current material and not stuff for the geriatric generation. It also appears to me that she has NO personality on stage.

Kree has never really done anything for me. I had some glimmer of hope for her early thinking she might have some Janis Joplin qualities then she did a Joplin song and instead of belting it out filled with raw emotion she crooned her way through it lifelessly like she seems to do with all her songs. I find her to be sharp on some notes in every performance and I just don't see any drive or star-quality about her. She too has been heavily overrated by the judges.

I do like Candice. She is definitely the most mature and controlled voice in the competition and over the last few weeks she has really shown a 'Casey Abrams cool' kind of thing, a little jazzy and smooth if you get what I mean. Although they keep calling her a gospel singer I don't see it and would say she is almost a combo of Aretha & Ella Fitzgerald. I am not sure if she has the marketable persona or looks that Interscope is wanting but I would probably buy her album.

Angie is, to me anyway, the class of the field as an artist. She may not be quite the singer that Candice or Amber is but she is way beyond all of them in overall musical talent and marketability. I have found her to have a desire to win and a passion in all her songs that comes across to the audience in a positive way. The big benefit for her is the songwriting although that might be a detriment when it comes to the producers & Interscope as she would not be quite as malleable as the others, I mean she will want to do her own material where the rest will be happy to be handed lyrics and told to sing to the melody played to them. It should be noted that she is also quite the hottie and if I were 20 years younger.....;-)


As for the 4 stooges on the panel....well, I think Keith has done a reasonable job of trying to give real advice while following the direction of the producers. Randy has been Randy all season, a lot of Yo Dawg! and 'in it to win it' backed up by outfits I wouldn't feed to a starving goat. Mariah has shown herself to be the prim diva where she says nothing of substance with a few 'daarling's tossed in as she rambles on for extended camera time. Nikki has become one you have to watch in the same way one has to watch a massive car crash, you don't want to watch but you just can't turn away waiting for her next inane comment about something completely irrelevant to the competition. There are times I want to shoot her and times she makes me ROFLMAO, unfortunately she never has me thinking she said anything intelligent or meaningful. I have to wonder if the horrible judging is scripted entirely or just influenced by the desire of the producers for Amber to win.

Finally I want to touch on the 'no-save' save that occurred. WTF???? Really??? Who was the genius that came up with this one? I am going to call it the 'Amber save' because I'm sure she was going home this week and this was a convenient way to keep her without showing the utter bias that most of us already are aware of. Either that or somebody got into Nikki's crack stash and lost count of the weeks.
 

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Yes Ross, it was me that interjected the "R" word because that is how I read the context of the post and I stand by my position on it.
I hear ya, it's just that the word "racism" was used in her reply to my post, and I didn't feel I accused the poster of racism, just of calling the voting racist and intolerant. Felt I needed to clarify.

Yeah, back to the show...

I am soooo done with Amber. I don't even think it is really anything about her because she does have a good voice. I think the over-the-top pimping by the judges and what appears to be a concerted effort by the producers to make her win. Am I wrong in wanting to slap Iovine when he called her 'current' after she has done nothing but Whitney and Celine for the entire show. Maybe she is getting bad guidance with her song choices but if one wants to be current on either the pop or R&B charts then one needs to do current material and not stuff for the geriatric generation. It also appears to me that she has NO personality on stage.
Speaking of Amber, I was surprised Keith Urban made a joke out of the phrase, "Amber alert," right after what happened here in Boston. The fact that he didn't make the connection in his mind made me question his good sense.

Anyhow, okay, you guys are right, with her song choices (and her delivery) Amber is not current. Not that I care if people are current, or a throwback - if they're any good. But why people said she was current...

I think Idol has really shot itself in the foot. They stacked the deck with all these girls, and those weak guys, and all five girls in the finals made it to Top 5. I doubt Idol actually expected that.

Anyhow, they have these girls and most of them like to sing boring ballads, and they have to find one that they can market, because one is going to win, and I think that's why they're trying to say Amber is current. Because maybe overall there is something young and fresh there, that actually might somehow appeal to pop DJs and kids. I don't know. I think this is obvious but nobody really agrees with me. So, no, she's not current, but in the time honored Idol tradition, they think if they say it enough, people will believe it.

She has no personality onstage, I agree - but more on that, later.

Kree has never really done anything for me. I had some glimmer of hope for her early thinking she might have some Janis Joplin qualities then she did a Joplin song and instead of belting it out filled with raw emotion she crooned her way through it lifelessly like she seems to do with all her songs. I find her to be sharp on some notes in every performance and I just don't see any drive or star-quality about her. She too has been heavily overrated by the judges.
Back when Truman ran against Tom Dewey, Teddy Roosevelt's daughter, Alice Longworth, a Republican like Dewey, said that he "looked like the groom on a wedding cake." It so perfectly captured something about Dewey's look and demeanor that it did him damage. There's a comment about Kree - someone said she's "a great backup singer." I can't forget it. She doesn't have a star persona. The stage seems to swallow her. I start to look at the band and backup singers when she's onstage, because she's boring. She seems to have noticeably less energy than them. It's a problem, at least in this type of competition.

Not to count her out, because there are quiet performers, like Julie London, who I just mentioned. Never seemed to break a sweat, even though she made 32 albums, and later starred on "Emergency!" People love Kree so maybe she doesn't need to take the stage and own it.

I find her to be sharp on some notes in every performance
I don't know sharp from flat, but as I said in another post, I hear the "off" notes a lot.

I do like Candice. She is definitely the most mature and controlled voice in the competition and over the last few weeks she has really shown a 'Casey Abrams cool' kind of thing, a little jazzy and smooth if you get what I mean. Although they keep calling her a gospel singer I don't see it and would say she is almost a combo of Aretha & Ella Fitzgerald. I am not sure if she has the marketable persona or looks that Interscope is wanting but I would probably buy her album.
I probably wouldn't buy her album but I agree she's good, and once she got away from typical, uninteresting belting, she seemed a lot better. At least this is a young chick who listens to a variety of music and seems to care about music, not just one of these divas who makes it all about them, like a song is just a thing to sing to, rather than to sing. I used to think that about her, but I changed my mind. I give any Idol contestant who can change my mind about them a lot of credit, really a lot.

I don't see much Ella in her, though I wish one of these Idol contestants some day could really swing. It doesn't seem to come with the generation. Like I said she reminds me of Della Reese for some reason, though Della was like, a baritone. lol
Angie is, to me anyway, the class of the field as an artist. She may not be quite the singer that Candice or Amber is but she is way beyond all of them in overall musical talent and marketability. I have found her to have a desire to win and a passion in all her songs that comes across to the audience in a positive way. The big benefit for her is the songwriting although that might be a detriment when it comes to the producers & Interscope as she would not be quite as malleable as the others, I mean she will want to do her own material where the rest will be happy to be handed lyrics and told to sing to the melody played to them. It should be noted that she is also quite the hottie and if I were 20 years younger.....:wink:
I grew up going to the beach in her hometown. Maybe I knew her mother. lol ...That made me feel old.

Um, sorry, I don't dig this girl, she just isn't my type, musically, and maybe not personality-wise. I said I was going to mention personality later, so here's the thing - she has enough "personality" for all four of them. She's too hyper! As a singer, I just don't think she's a good interpreter of songs. She has lungs, she can sing, she can wow the audience with her dramatic singing...but where's the honesty, the reality? I don't feel she deeply understands the material. Not that that's new, on Idol, but I need that. Just be real, true, honest. I really think she needs to give a little LESS. Perform less, "be" more.

Judges? Mariah with her lady act is absurd, she was dropping F bombs during auditions and talking about the school of hard knocks being her only school. Now she's Greer Garson. I don't get it. Keith had me until his stupid "Amber alert" joke. Sometimes a little thing can make you question someone's judgement a lot. Randy - well. It's not worth it. And Nicki - I don't agree with her much but I mostly enjoy her interacting with the contestants and some of the stuff she says.
 

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As predicted: Nice but boring Kree remains. She is consistent in her lacklustre performances though she looks fabulous now.

Amber who has loads of potential is gone.
 
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It was no surprise Amber went home. It was her time to go. Even though I've been an off and on fan, it would have been an injustice if any of the other three went home. Except for the occasional shock boot people usually leave when it's their time. (Even Lazaro. The other guys were less interesting than him, sometimes that's all it takes.)

I was happy when Harry Connick Jr. asked Amber if she knew what she was singing about, because of course, she never does. That little lesson he gave her was a first step on her road to understanding what singing is. I was kind of surprised the Idol vocal coaches had not caught this. I think she's already been asked (by one of the judges, maybe?) if she understood a song.

Being born with a voice doesn't make anybody a singer. Amber has some stuff to learn, it's up to her if she wants to learn it or not. I agree she has potential, but without work, it stays potential. She probably can't do it on her own and will need some professional guidance if she wants to be a successful singer.

I miss guest mentors. Jimmy Iovine, his crew, and his guests (Will. I. Am.) don't do it for me. And what if he's just the wrong mentor for some performers? I mean, how can you only have one main mentor all season? And what happens when pleasing him conflicts with pleasing the TV audience (voters)? And it must, at times. Yet he's the head of the label that could give a kid the career they've always wanted. Who do you try to please?

I don't think the show has been good since the format changed, or since Interscope came on board. They sold the winners' records, but I really don't care about that.
 
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Back to Amber - she has potential. Her biggest drawback for me was she was
too green to know what she was doing. I was happy when Harry Connick Jr. asked
her if she knew what she was singing about, because of course, she never does.
That little lesson he gave her was a first step on her road to understanding
what singing is. But I have to wonder what the Idol mentors are being paid for
if not to notice simple things such as: the singer doesn't realize she's
supposed to understand the lyrics.

YES!! I even tweeted something similar during the show. I almost pitied Amber during that moment, because it was just proof that nobody was actually helping her get better! I mean, isn't lyrics comprehension one of the first things a singer should be good at? Especially if you're singing covers! Nobody could help her with that before HCJ? Maybe they should cut the "designing cars" missions and have "lyrics comprehension" missions. They can even set them in Ford cars if they want to!

Anyway, I think the three best girls are the three left. I believe Kree might go home this week, she probably has shown us everything she could do. And I still believe Angie has this in the bag. Though I'd say Candice grew on me again last week with her spectacular rendition of that standard (I don't even remember the title). I was really blown away by the subtleties in her vocal delivery.
 

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Oops, I edited my post a bit from what you quoted, missaddicted. Anyhow, the meaning is the same.

I mean, isn't lyrics comprehension one of the first things a singer should be good at? Especially if you're singing covers! Nobody could help her with that before HCJ? Maybe they should cut the "designing cars" missions and have "lyrics comprehension" missions. They can even set them in Ford cars if they want to!
Haha. Yes, everything is backwards, isn't it? It's so like Idol. They have "star school" but apparently, not singing school. They make you look marvelous while you're singing wrong.

My Funny Valentine isn't the hardest song to understand. (MacArthur Park, anyone could have trouble understanding.) By the way, it comes from a Broadway musical, Babes In Arms, that I once saw in summer stock, in Maine. In the play, a girl sings it to the lead boy, who's nickname happens to be Val, short for Valentine. I don't think many people know that little bit o' trivia.
 

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Well, I must admit that Kree really impressed me tonight. She has blossomed.
Angie fabulous too. And Candace? her tones caress my sensibilities.
It does not matter to me who wins for they are all worthy.
 

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Yeah, it doesn't matter to me either, I think any of them would make a good winner, but one I wouldn't really be interested in either.

I still stand by what I said before though. I think Kree will be eliminated tomorrow and that Angie is a shoe-in to win. Unless Candice gets all of Kree's votes next week. We'll see.