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SleepinIn, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be annoying, but are you avoiding answering me? You're making me a little crazy, I'm not gonna lie.

ETA: But I guess you don't know any more about this sort of stuff than I do. I thought you might, I guess. I was under the impression there would be zero reason for Kris and his band to go on Ellen and sing Alright With Me (what else would they sing, after all?) unless this was tied in with promotion. Also, I can't see him doing radio concerts with no single to promote.

My feeling is that Jive needs to get some positive feedback on this song (like the Sophie challenge), first, so they can promote it to radio stations (because The Truth was a disappointment), but I think they do intend to.

Otherwise I would be really heartbroken. This is my favorite song on the CD and I always felt it could be a big hit. I think it can be, and Kris deserves it - and I'm sure he's willing to work for it to happen. I hate to see this guy who is so good, and his band, sinking into some kind of oblivion as a one-hit-wonder just because his stupid label won't spend a few bucks to send his song for adds or promote it. So I'm looking for signs that won't happen.

 

[SleepinIn]

Kind of amazed Kris made it back to the stage - great sound and video on that BTW.. awesome.

Aw, David's tennis playing IS adorkable. Was that from someone that was there?

SleepinIn, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be annoying, but are you avoiding answering me? You're making me a little crazy, I'm not gonna lie.

Sorry bout that.. don't mean to drive you crazy. I thought I did answer. (maybe I just really don't understand the question - I don't mean to frustrate.. lol) I don't think they'd go on Ellen without a song to promote either. (does that help?) I don't know what Jive's intentions are towards promoting the song.

I think if they got indications from the radio stations that there is interest they would subsequently push harder. So I think letting the stations know that there is interest is a really good strategy right now. I don't know if a radio poll is gonna do it.. But on the other hand it can't really hurt and it gets the song played on the radio.

So I'm looking for signs that won't happen.

Yeah me too. I love that song, and it deserves to be a hit. It is getting play on more stations new music things so maybe it's still just trickling into their collective awareness.

 

[missaddicted]

Aw, David's tennis playing IS adorkable. Was that from someone that was there?

Yes, some Cook fans were attending the event. I think it continues tomorrow, I believe David has another match tomorrow.

 

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maybe I just really don't understand the question

I guess I was kind of confusing. Basically, the other day someone said they doubted Kris would be booked for Jingle Balls and the like, which are sponsored by radio stations, unless there was some kind of tie-in with his single being promoted on those stations. And then I thought of how he mentioned nearly being on Ellen, and I thought, "He wouldn't be going on Ellen for no reason. This only happens when there's music to promote." So I figured Jive wasn't just sending AWM out, cold, but was planning to promote it in the near future. Maybe they pushed it out, quick, prior to the full promo, because Kris was going on tour (since the release to radio coincided with the start of the tour). It's all just wishful thinking.

Also, Jive tweeted its followers and encouraged them to vote on Sophie, indicating they cared.

 

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[SleepinIn]

That drawing + autograph is awesome. The band needs that on a t-shirt. They should make that happen.

I don't know how much promo Jive is going to do with AWM, but the jingle ball stuff might not happen in a big way since Kris is coming off a big tour - They're doing some though.. What I'd like them to do is make time for a video. Even if it's a cheaply made one. There are lots of ways to make a creative video without a ton of cash (Jeremy Fisher for example) Find an art school - do something with the students. AND I'd like it to be a fun video..no deserts.

 

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What I'd like them to do is make time for a video. Even if it's a cheaply made one. There are lots of ways to make a creative video without a ton of cash (Jeremy Fisher for example) Find an art school - do something with the students. AND I'd like it to be a fun video..no deserts.

Wow, only the finest for Kris, huh? One single that doesn't hit the top 10 and he has to have his videos made by art students, now? Maybe they could be paid in pizza and beer.

Sorry for the snark. I'm sure it's a good idea, but I guess I mean: has it come to that? Whataya Want From Me was obviously a low-budget video, but it was a professional video and it got the job done.

Besides, who says Kris or Jive can't afford a video? Just curious. Let's not assume too much, is all I'm saying. Kris's last video (so he said) was not expensive; there weren't 25 dancers in it, or anything. Freakin' Jive. They're starting to piss me off.

Didn't Kalan Porter do that "Hooray" video with art students because the first two songs off his second album flopped?

Tim Urban's first single is here:

Exclusive First Listen: American Idol Season 9 Finalist Tim Urban Releases Debut Single, “Heart Of Me” ? Neon Limelight - Exclusive Music News, Artist Interviews, Reviews, Photos!

 

[SleepinIn]

Wow, only the finest for Kris, huh? One single that doesn't hit the top 10 and he has to have his videos made by art students, now? Maybe they could be paid in pizza and beer.

*snort* That's not really what I meant. I was thinking.. art school ---> new, fresh ideas.. also relatively inexpensive. I'm not against spending money on a video. By all means spend the money, just make sure it's for a concept I like. (no pressure or anything)

Sorry for the snark. I'm sure it's a good idea, but I guess I mean: has it come to that? Whataya Want From Me was obviously a low-budget video, but it was a professional video and it got the job done.

Professional is good, I'm not saying hire some hack, but make sure you're spending the money where it counts. For example is it a video that people will want to watch again and again. For me, although I like the Truth's video and it really is beautifully shot It's not a video I watch again and again. (that could all be Pat's fault though, lol)

Besides, who says Kris or Jive can't afford a video? Just curious. Let's not assume too much, is all I'm saying. Kris's last video (so he said) was not expensive; there weren't 25 dancers in it, or anything. Freakin' Jive. They're starting to piss me off.

I'm not even saying that they can't - I just ... I need to get out of the desert man. There needs to be a fresh idea there. I know Kris has said it won't be desert related - so that's good, but I'm just thinking fresh idea really, more than anything.

What did you think of Tim's song? On first listen I didn't make it 5 seconds in.. gonna try again now..

 

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What did you think of Tim's song? On first listen I didn't make it 5 seconds in.. gonna try again now..

MJ raved about it so I expected something good. I was hoping it was. He sounded good, but I didn't make it in any further than you did. To say it didn't grab me would be to put it mildly. I don't think I'm going to listen to it again.

*snort* That's not really what I meant. :icon_smile: I was thinking.. art school ---> new, fresh ideas.. also relatively inexpensive. I'm not against spending money on a video. By all means spend the money, just make sure it's for a concept I like. (no pressure or anything)

In this case, it's a song that stands on its own; it's a catchy song. So I think you just need a video that doesn't get in the song's way, or whatever. Personally I would like Kris to be sold, more, and I'd like him to be presented as a young guy who isn't asexual. It's probably Kris himself who is not interested in being romantic or sexy in a video. By that, I don't mean anything ridiculous, but it's a song about a guy who's obsessed with a girl, so are they just going to ignore that (the way they ignored that The Truth is about a relationship gone bad)?

If Kris was a single guy there's no question in my mind he's be presented as a more accesssible kind of figure, less remote, more available. I think he should be presented that way, anyway (Jacob was married, he still had girls in his videos when he sang about girls).

In my opinion The Truth should have had a video like Faber Drive's Tongue Tied. Okay, it's not at all original (though I like the indoor rain), it's the classic band-plays-while-good-looking-actors enact the lyrics of the song video in semi-sexy poses. But I think something like that would have sold The Truth better.

YouTube - Faber Drive Tongue Tied Music Video Official

I guess I'd like the AWM video to have the band, but also some chicks. What can I say? If this singer or band is going to catch on with the pop audience of mostly young-ish girls and women, there has to be a video where the guys look cute, or attractive, and where, maybe, girls see themselves reflected in the story. (And this would also appeal to guys.) And then, like you say, it sould have originality and cleverness - and fun, because it's a fun song.

My problem with Kris's two videos is not that they're in the desert but that he's presented as a lone figure. He's not the type of performer to be a lone figure, somehow. He's not an icon type. He's more like "one of us." The first video was fine, but repeating the "lone figure" idea twice was probably a mistake. Now I'd like to see him fooling around with the band, interacting with the audience, and I'd like the video to acknowledge the existence of women.

What was the result of all the power-buying of AWM on Friday, anyway? It couldn't have been much because I've heard nothing. How about you guys?

I came across this because a Glambert was upset about it. I think that unless you are a Glambert, you will not be upset.

100 Sexy Men in 1 Minute - Sexiest Man Alive : Video : People.com

Or is that just last year's group? Why does it say 2009 (below)?

 

[SleepinIn]

MJ raved about it so I expected something good. I was hoping it was. He sounded good, but I didn't make it in any further than you did. To say it didn't grab me would be to put it mildly. I don't think I'm going to listen to it again.

I was hoping for good too, since I actually kinda liked Tim - or more like I liked the fact that Tim took chances on the show this year.. and was pretty much the only one to do so in the top 10 - But, that song is a whole heaping spoonful of meh. Nothing grabbed me, and even a second listen didn't help.

On the other hand I listed to Lee sing Annabelle live on youtube.. and it was pretty awesome. I wish his single was Annabelle. LOL

In this case, it's a song that stands on its own; it's a catchy song. So I think you just need a video that doesn't get in the song's way, or whatever. Personally I would like Kris to be sold, more, and I'd like him to be presented as a young guy who isn't asexual. It's probably Kris himself who is not interested in being romantic or sexy in a video. By that, I don't mean anything ridiculous, but it's a song about a guy who's obsessed with a girl, so are they just going to ignore that (the way they ignored that The Truth is about a relationship gone bad)?

Yeah the video needs a girl in it. Agreed.

I guess I'd like the AWM video to have the band, but also some chicks. What can I say? If this singer or band is going to catch on with the pop audience of mostly young-ish girls and women, there has to be a video where the guys look cute, or attractive, and where, maybe, girls see themselves reflected in the story. (And this would also appeal to guys.) And then, like you say, it sould have originality and cleverness - and fun, because it's a fun song.

Video needs to have the sense of fun that is Kris. Kris is naturally hilarious. That's what the video needs. It needs Kris being Kris. (also the band.... and maybe a few girls)

I agree with this so much. If Kris doesn't want some random girl.. cast Katy and shoot them candid camera style.

Bruno Mars video for the Other side looks like it was made up of leftover behind the scenes shots from his video for Just the Way you Are and it works, it holds your interest and it's got a sense of fun.

YouTube - Bruno Mars - Just The Way You Are [Official Video]

My problem with Kris's two videos is not that they're in the desert but that he's presented as a lone figure. He's not the type of performer to be a lone figure, somehow. He's not an icon type. He's more like "one of us." The first video was fine, but repeating the "lone figure" idea twice was probably a mistake. Now I'd like to see him fooling around with the band, interacting with the audience, and I'd like the video to acknowledge the existence of women.

If anyone should be surrounded by people it's Kris. He's a total people person. I think he collects people and adds them to his personal posse.

What was the result of all the power-buying of AWM on Friday, anyway? It couldn't have been much because I've heard nothing. How about you guys?

Probably what you'd expect. You'd have to spend a fortune to make any kind of dent I'd think.

I came across this because a Glambert was upset about it. I think that unless you are a Glambert, you will not be upset.

Or is that just last year's group? Why does it say 2009 (below)?

I'm pretty sure that's from last year too. Why to they persist in using old photos for Kris? Seriously the guy is photogenic. It's mind boggling.

YouTube - Kris Allen - Valpo IN 11/6/10 - Can't Stay Away

Ready to con-feess..


(argh.. so good!)

 

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I just watched this again.

YouTube - Kris Allen's Friends Give Us the Scoop On the Real Him

I guess Kris's friends already heard him cover Radiohead, and Creed and so on, before we did! I didn't catch that stuff the first time I saw this, because I don't think we'd seen him do those covers.

Just read your post. Do you think I mentioned enough that there should be girls in the video? lol

If Kris doesn't want some random girl.. cast Katy and shoot them candid camera style.

You have a lot of good ideas. I'd rather they didn't use Katy, though. It's one thing for Kris to be married, but let's not overdo it. lol What I mean is I think that as much as Kris is unavailable he's still the fantasy of a lot of people, so maybe better to keep some of that fantasy intact. I know it's kind of dishonest and skeevy but, that's showbiz.

Ready to con-feess..

Is this the first actual, on-campus show Kris has played? I think so - since some others have been off campus. I have a question - why do you think these three headlining shows were scheduled, while KAB is on the Lifehouse tour? I mean, why bother? Three shows in small venues can't be all that profitable, regardless of how many tickets are sold. I think they're for exposure, of a sort. What do you think? I'm confused when there's a lack of publicity - but it seems like this is not the main objective. Somehow I think it's more about going to the public and giving them a chance to hear the music live - just a grass roots kind of thing. Building up good will. I don't know. I think the shows are too small to warrant spending a lot on publicity.

I was just searching Kris on twitter - he has been getting a lot of positive feedback. I sometimes skip the Kris fans and concentrate on the other tweets. So many mention what a surprise Kris was, how surprisingly good, opening for Lifehouse. I read about 100 tweets and nothing but positive stuff.

 

[SleepinIn]

I guess Kris's friends already heard him cover Radiohead, and Creed and so on, before we did! I didn't catch that stuff the first time I saw this, because I don't think we'd seen him do those covers.

Also Jason Castro's brother mentioned that the first time he remembers seeing Kris in Hollywood week he was playing Radiohead on his guitar.

Just read your post. Do you think I mentioned enough that there should be girls in the video? lol

Hee! I agree though. Girls! Or girl + Kris in the same frame. That would be great thanks.

Is this the first actual, on-campus show Kris has played? I think so - since some others have been off campus. I have a question - why do you think these three headlining shows were scheduled, while KAB is on the Lifehouse tour? I mean, why bother? Three shows in small venues can't be all that profitable, regardless of how many tickets are sold. I think they're for exposure, of a sort. What do you think? I'm confused when there's a lack of publicity - but it seems like this is not the main objective. Somehow I think it's more about going to the public and giving them a chance to hear the music live - just a grass roots kind of thing. Building up good will. I don't know. I think the shows are too small to warrant spending a lot on publicity.

Is it the first on-campus show? They should do more.

Probably a grass roots type thing + they get to play a fuller show - they're not expensive shows but they don't have to be, and they get exposure to the college crowd. It could also be just giving them a chance to play songs that they don't get a chance to do everyday on the Lifehouse shows.

I was just searching Kris on twitter - he has been getting a lot of positive feedback. I sometimes skip the Kris fans and concentrate on the other tweets. So many mention what a surprise Kris was, how surprisingly good, opening for Lifehouse. I read about 100 tweets and nothing but positive stuff.

The Lifehouse tour has been wonderful for positive feedback. There was always good feedback but I think Lifehouse's audience and Kris's audience intersects nicely. Everyone seems to really like them.

 

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Probably a grass roots type thing + they get to play a fuller show - they're not expensive shows but they don't have to be, and they get exposure to the college crowd. It could also be just giving them a chance to play songs that they don't get a chance to do everyday on the Lifehouse shows.

Thanks, that's what I thought, too. I mean, I was told this opinion was wrong by someone on the Idol blog. I said the same thing about giving them a chance to play songs they don't play as an opener. But I was told no, they wouldn't do a show just for that reason, not when the main thing is to pay Steve Luna and the roadies and so forth. It is all for profit and profit only.

Somehow I can't see scheduling these in-between-the-tour-dates-and-barely-publicized concerts in order to see a big profit. I think it's for other reasons.

By the way, I'm beginning to worry about the single. I don't know what the plans are. Why do they do this to us fans?

 

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Great tweets tonight from Detroit.

Twitter / @krinjalists2/nov8detroitwlh

 

[SleepinIn]

They secretly hate us. This is is why they torment us. LOL - I'm worried too. But then again I was watching live acoustic versions of TT on youtube and they have a TON of hits. It's good for Kris to have multiple singles on the radio however they might do.

Did you see that over 250,000 votes were cast in the Archie vs. Kris radio poll? LMAO. Like seriously. Tragically Kris lost.. but really 250,000 votes. That's insane. No vote spamming there by either side. (says the girl who was told to take a time out from the poll)

 

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I'm worried too. But then again I was watching live acoustic versions of TT on youtube and they have a TON of hits. It's good for Kris to have multiple singles on the radio however they might do.

I guess that's true, but first AWM has to actually get on the radio. That's mostly what I'm worried about. Actually, I'm not worried that much. I usually don't go out on a limb and saw it off after me, but I feel good things will happen with this song. Besides, I don't think the fans will let Jive rest if they abandon the song. It could get ugly.

The Archie-Kris thing...I didn't think Kris would win it, I guess, but he was ahead, at times. That's cool. I would have liked to have seen what the outcome was if people were only allowed one vote. The actual radio listeners probably only vote one time, and don't spam these polls - so, if the rabid fans were also allowed only one vote, it gives the radio listeners more of an equal footing. In such a scenario I think Kris would have won (because I think the song is better than Archie's). But maybe not - Archie still has tons of fans.

The fact is, though, that in that poll of Josh's for MTV, re favorite album, Kris's fans outvoted Archie's fans.

PS - What bugs me is that I think Archie's fans were unaware of that poll until someone posted about it on a Kris thread on MJ's. Remember how this used to happen in the same way, when someone would post that Kris was ahead in some poll, then the Lambert fans would read the post and spam the poll and win it? I would like to go after the people who post this info (usually it's girlygirl, though it wasn't, this time). Grrr.

 

[SleepinIn]

Yeah I need radio to play it too.

Re: the poll : LOL - you give them too little credit. These things travel. Twitter was allover that poll for both sides. I was actually happy that Archie didn't blow Kris away in the poll. Since I do think his fanbase is more organized, although maybe Kris's is starting to organize too.

I'm watching The World of Jenks right now and they're following VV Brown around (from when she was touring with Maroon 5 - no sign of Kris though) They're talking about how hard it is as an opening act. Showed the mostly indifferent audiences she played to vs. her home audiences where she had big big crowds. She talked about the different energy playing to your fans vs. playing for someone else's fans. So that's probably why KAB is doing the solo gigs even though they're so small. They're re-charging their batteries.

 

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What's The World Of Jenks? lol

That's a good point about the solo gigs. (Luckily at least on this tour Kris doesn't seem to be playing to indifferent audiences. I wonder if his label reps - the suits - ever attend concerts? Or do they only do that when they're looking to sign bands?)

Re: the poll : LOL - you give them too little credit. These things travel. Twitter was allover that poll for both sides. I was actually happy that Archie didn't blow Kris away in the poll.

The reason I said that was, when the person on MJ's posted about the poll, I went and looked at the poll and Kris was way ahead - by at least twelve points. But, half an hour after the person posted, Archie was suddenly ten points ahead - which means he gained over 20 points in 30 minutes. It just seemed like it wasn't a coincidence. I guess I really don't know.

So many people have tweeted that Kris is "amazing" on this tour. That's kind of incredible. "Amazing."

(btw, I was just looking at YouTube and LLWD has nearly 2.5 million hits.)

 

[SleepinIn]

I agree. Amazing is amazing.

(World of Jenks is a show on MTV where Andrew Jenks follows a person around for a week.. really cool show.. Andrew is awesome)


YouTube - AI Now's Exclusive Interview with the Kris Allen Band

 

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I finally got to watch the interview!!! It was awesome! I laughed! I cried! Well, I laughed, anyhow.

YouTube - Kris Allen's Shout Out to Little Pawns

Brian Melo's official Soundproff video (with the Tara Oram-like blonde)...

YouTube - Brian Melo Soundproof (Official Video)