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[missaddicted]

Ha, Mandy's familiar face on the cellcast! The sound is awful though, I can't even recognize the songs! Is it GRO playing right now or Kris? LOL.

I have no trouble believing that Sourcandy had a great time at Adam's show (though I agree the superlatives are a bit much). Like SleepinIn said: apples and oranges. It's not because I don't like Adam's music that I wouldn't except other to love his show. But, this:

How many performers can appeal to that many generations? Name three current artists that can do that. Seriously.

Is just stupid. You guys know I've been to many many shows in the last year and the crowd was very diverse at all the shows (all!!) I attended. I guess I just wouldn't expect otherwise. Well, maybe for Bieber or the Backstreet Boys, but these are not shows I would attend!

 

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I know, missaddicted, I also thought that. Hell, Kris's show that I went to last winter had old people, children, etc. (and many of them were Kris fans, with signs, etc.) -- and it could be surmised that BNL and the other two acts also attracted the diverse crowd, as well.

I have no trouble believing she had a great time, either. But apples and oranges also applies to the fans of these guys as well as the guys. You would never read a post like that about Kris Allen. Probably not ever, I'd venture to guess. Kris fans gush, I suppose, but differently. There is certainly no reverence. I can't get over the attitude some of them have toward Adam. He didn't end world hunger. He's just a singer, and he's kind of a Vegas-y singer at that. I don't care how much you like him, just don't describe his show as if you just saw Moses coming down from the mountain.

Oh, and all of this talk of "all ages and sexualities and creeds" coming together due to Adam -- all that talk that so many of them indulge in just drives me frakkin crazy. Not that this one did that. But darn close. I mean, all ages and creeds and sexual proclivities also go to the Boston Pops concerts, or Broadway shows, or baseball games. Lets not get high hat about it. Or claim Adam is responsible for some sort of United Nations of pop fandom.

 

[missaddicted]

Yeah, that's something that bugs me a bit about fandom too. I mean, I can get obsessed about stuff pretty easily, but I don't understand the worshipping, the reverence as you say. It's slightly disturbing. I've seen some Cook fans put David on a pedestal as well and I'm not sure that kind of stuff ever ends well.

United Nations of pop fandom.

LOL. Well, if he can stop the oil spill, I'll swear my eternal devotion to him.

 

[ross 1]

Haha. My rant is over now. *grins sheepishly*

 

[ross 1]

This is Great show.

Thanks for spamming, er, I mean, sharing.

Um, yeah, so -- that Adam-fan stuff I was talking about. Someone over there mentioned this:

Also, shows with diverse audiences: Cook. I was there to witness twice, and I saw ancient people with walkers as well as infants with earplugs, and everything in between. Even a few people of color. I think the middle of the road-type Idols just attract diverse audiences.
And again, at least they have audiences. This http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/americanidoltracker/2010/06/summer-concerts-may-be-in-a-slump-but-are-idol-tours-recessionproof-.html article from the LA Times spells out how well the Idols do touring.

And 'sour' responded:

Ah, yes I forgot about Idol alum. I keep trying to imagine Adam was never on that show by pretending it doesn’t exist. Thanks for reminding me.

So I guess in other words, when she challenged people to name three other contemporary artists, she didn't mean Idol alums. Even though Adam is also an Idol alum.

You see, this is what bugs me about those people. They're a bit delusional.

ETA:

I guess Kris was sick last night. It's really too bad because he had a packed house. I watched part of one video BWCU). He sounded okay but not in great voice at all. Also, he got a bad review. Admittedly from a critic who was one of his biggest detractors previously.

But at least he wasn't wearing this.



Not that it isn't lovely. :-?

Kris banter...plus "Maybe".

YouTube - Maybe (cover) - Kris Allen @ Fine Line 6/5/10

 

[ross 1]

So maybe people can explain to me...it seems people who are buying TT on itunes are buying the album version. Someone on MJ's just explained that the version that's charting (sort of, in the 600's) on itunes, is the album version, and the single version isn't even in the Top 1000. However the single version has now climbed to #30 on HAC. So how is all this going to affect how the song charts? For example, when Billboard figures in the radio play, sales, etc.

itunes yesterday.

WWFM 64
LLWD 130
TT 682
IIHY 908

 

[missaddicted]

TT is #30 on the HAC airplay chart. That's only for the airplay that the song is getting. The top 100 Billboard singles chart counts the airplay, the online streaming and the sales. TT is probably not on that chart due to its low sales number (and it would probably need even higher airplay on HAC and airplay on another format to appear there as well, so maybe it will get there with time). So, basically, the song is getting pretty good airplay on that one format, but it's not selling a lot for now. There's also a chart that counts only the sales and that chart is the digital sales singles chart.

Here's the Top 100 for this week: Music News, Reviews, Articles, Information, News Online & Free Music | Billboard.com

 

[ross 1]

Thanks, missaddicted. What I was really asking (probably not very clearly) is how the song will do on Billboard if radio is playing one version while people are buying the other version. I guess I already know the answer, though.

In other words, without the two versions being counted together, when and if the song gets better sales due to airplay, what happens if the better sales are for the wrong version, or for both versions?

Kris Allen does not deserve 'Idol' title | StarTribune.com

This is the bad review for Kris. The bad thing is, even after numerous people commented on the original article and said Kris was sick last night (which is why he didn't so an encore), there was then an updated version posted that didn't correct for that (they just removed the comments).

This is the original. Seems like after he read the comments he just got more mean, judging by the headline change.

Artcetera | StarTribune.com

Here's a picture of the 'sparse' crowd:

http://tweetphoto.com/25839206

 

[missaddicted]

Oh, okay, I get what you're saying. I'm just surprised that they don't actually count the two versions together. Well, if the single version really catches on the radio, maybe that version will start selling more. It's hard to predict.

 

[ross 1]

By the way, Adam is headlining a radio concert tonight outside Poughkeepsie (NY).
So do you think there will be a lot of debating about whether he is *really* headlining the concert, or just going last?

 

[SleepinIn]

That review was stupid. This is the guy that did the comparison article beforehand right?

And I'll take obscure Radiohead over No Boundaries any day. And saying the band isn't good? That band? Seriously? And reggae Heartless? WTF is he even talking about? And saying Kris chose to play his one radio hit at the end.. because Adam has a ton of radio hits to choose from right -- and sprinkles them throughout his set? I just hate the comparison thing and the Kris shouldn't have won thing. Geesh, can't I as a fan just like Kris better as an artist? Even though I really like Adam too?

So do you think there will be a lot of debating about whether he is *really* headlining the concert, or just going last?

He can headline.

 

[ross 1]

Geesh, can't I as a fan just like Kris better as an artist? Even though I really like Adam too?

Of course. You can also, as a fan, like Kris better and have no use for Adam. Or vice versa. The reviewer should not be talking about winning AI at this point. His review sucked. Not because it was bad but because it was unfair.

As someone on MJ's said, first he says the guy isn't good, then he complains there's no encore. Think about it.

He wrote a much briefer review of David Cook last year.

"Like Taylor Hicks, David Cook can entertain with a distinctive-sounding voice. He’s got powerful pipes and lots of passion. But, at Mystic Lake Casino on Friday, his songs sounded like uninspired attempts to revisit 1990s grunge-pop.
Of course, that didn’t seem to matter to the sellout crowd of 2,100. They probably came more to see a favorite TV idol than to hear his songs. In fact, they seemed to react more excitedly to his gestures than to his music. But Cook isn’t the first music hero who is a star first and foremost, with the songs being secondary.
After explaining he wasn’t good at patter, the wholesome 26-year-old from Tulsa showed his charm and spontaneity by saying the gift from a female fan of a chocolate rose and a box of Cheez-Its means, “Let’s get married.” Cute. Not so cute was making cracks about gambling when he’s playing a casino.
Predictably, the 75-minute set was heavy on ballads and midtempo tunes. The highlights, for me, were rockers: the rock stomp Bar Ba Sol and the aggressive Kiss on the Neck (dedicated to soundman Jason and wife JT, who were celebrating their 5th wedding anniversary).
Here is what Cook and his four un-introduced sidemen played:
The World I Know (Collective Soul)/Mr. Sensitive/Heroes/I Did It for You/Lie/Avalanche/Bar Ba Sol/Straight Ahead/Little Lies (Fleetwood Mac)/Kiss on the Neck/Declaration/Come Back to Me/ ENCORE Light On/A Daily Anthem"

 

[missaddicted]

Heh. I've kind of stopped reading reviews after a while last year for David's tour. He had both really good and really bad reviews. As long as people have a good time at concerts, I really have no use for reviews. Yes, a good review is nice, but a good review doesn't make me like more an artist that I don't like and a bad review doesn't make me like less an artist that I love. It's water under the bridge.

 

[ross 1]

Well, it's not so much bad reviews as attacks and lies. If a person "reviews" the show, and finds good or bad, I have no problem. But this guy implied a lot of things or said things that were false. Also, he implied things to cast aspersions on Kris, like the encore thing. You're right, it's water under the bridge. I agree. But it can hurt an artist's rep.

As someone on MJ's wrote:

I don’t mind a bad review if the reviewer is honest. This guy lied big time and then deleted the comments and links that challenged him. He is also trying to incite fanwars over something that is done and over. I expect some integrity from journalists, especially a big city newspaper.

You know, I'm older, and the fact is, when I was young I almost never read reviews like this. You're probably more used to it. But journalistic standards have really gone downhill.

Thought you might enjoy this recap, since you don't venture onto MJ's, missaddicted.

I’m back from the concert. The most important thing to know is that the concert was great – it was clear that Minneapolis loved Kris. Kris, the band and GRO put on a great show. The venue was packed – very full – I don’t know if it was filled to capacity, but I can’t imagine where more people would have fit.
As we walked toward the venue and by the bus, we saw Ryland standing outside talking on the phone. The line was a block and a half long and I noticed that about the first half a block was all women! There was a bachlorette party, with a girl in a tiara and sash that said “bachlorette.” As we got further down the line, I started to see men as well. Once inside the venue, it was clear the audience was mostly young adults (show was for 18 and older, those under 21 had to have “x’s” on their hands, for no alcohol) – men and women.
I’m going to write this in sections…

(This is another person: ) Even though Kris was sick, I thought he did a great job. The sound mix was a bit overpowering for him, and he was having to power through his vocals. But it was still a terrific show.

(Back to the original poster: ) My friend who went with me is a music and voice teacher. She came with me because I’m the Kris fan, but she was definitely up for fun. Although we both noticed Kris wasn’t in “full voice” she thought Kris’ voice was great. As a musician, she was very impressed with Ryland and thought Torres was very good looking (of course he is…). Her favorite song was The Truth! We both loved the acoustic set – and Paranoid Android was a.m.a.z.i.n.g. – both the instruments, harmonies and Kris’ vocals. The audience was very into the sing alongs – MITM was very cool (my friend really liked that one too). AWM was also really fun – the bachlorette girl got chosen to be onstage – Kris gave her the lemon and and another girl a tambourine. The girl with the tambourine was flailing and cute and did a great job.

Sounds like you all know that Kris was sick and that security was tight and that we didn’t get INTK or Come Together. On my way home, I wondered if Kris was sick – and if that’s why we didn’t get the encore (sounds like maybe that’s the full explanation) but I also wonder about the restrictions of the venue. It seemed like the venue was getting packed up pretty quickly. Also, my friend noticed that GRO bandmembers who were hanging with the crowd at the end wanted to go outside and security wouldn’t let them. The audience members clearly wanted an encore, but I think it was an announcer from the venue that barked “that’s it people, blah, blah."

Kris did sign stuff. Pictures of him were allowed, but not with him. He smiled but hardly talked. I got my CD signed, so was happy about that.

Anyway, it seemed like it might have been the venue that kept us from the encore. I really wanted INTK and Come Together. If it was because Kris wasn’t feeling well, that’s totally understandable and of course he needs to rest.

Someone asked about the Archie and Krandrew banter. Kris said that he and Andrew had gone out – for a run, I think – and that they were going back to the hotel for a shower. Then he said that didn’t sound right…but…he saw a friend (then like three people in the audience said “archie”). He said “don’t give it away.” Then he proceded to say that as they got back to the hotel someone got out of their car and started yelling “Kris” and of course he wondered who it would be. It was David. And he said, David can make anyone smile no matter how your feeling.

There really wasn’t much banter and Kris kept drinking what could have been hot tea (that’s what my friend thought it was) – they kept bringing it to him in a clear mug.

(The second poster: ) We did talk to GRO outside, no problems with that. And Cale was pretty specific about Kris hoping to be able to do the whole setlist, but as they got towards the end, he just wasn’t vocally up to doing the encore.

 

[SleepinIn]

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Kris and Katy broke up 3 times, Kris is starting his tour every stop, and the interviewer is confused about the facts. lol

Kris talks about that power ranking article too. He agrees Chris should be much higher.

 

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Chris D. should be higher than Adam, and D. Cook, also, but people only seemed to make a big deal about Kris being higher than him (on MJ's blog, I mean, of course).

I just watched Lee's Star Spangled Banner on MJ's. Not bad. I can't help but compare to last year, when the freaks over on that blog trashed Kris to death when he sang it (so much better). But nobody is trashing Lee. Nobody really cares about Lee. He didn't beat Adam, after all. (Adam has never been asked to sing the NA, has he? I wonder why no one's thought of that, yet? Not including the one with barnyard animals.)

Waiting for word of Kris's concert...

 

[SleepinIn]

I'd put Chris 3rd too. Kelly, Carrie, Chris.

Lee wasn't bad at the anthem. Kid done good.

 

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He did okay. It was a case of hitting the notes, but very forgettable. It was about how I thought he'd do. He didn't sing it like it was about anything.

Now, a person on MJ's said he was better than Kris, and that I cannot abide, so sir.

I'd put Chris 3rd too. Kelly, Carrie, Chris.

I don't know what that "power list" represented. But isn't Carrie way bigger than Kelly, supposedly -- like, bigger than all of them? I don't know.

It could be they were projecting, when it comes to Kris. Or Adam. Apparently those people (who came up with the list) think highly of Kris's potential, anyhow. I think that was how they were judging. Not just on selling power or success.

I have to say, I get very tired of the whole Kelly-Daughtry-Carrie thing, don't you? Yes, they've become the most popular. But with Daughtry, especially, it seems to be a kind of manufactured popularity. I guess that makes no sense. It's real popularity, but it comes from being so generic and so much a part of the wallpaper that it's like there's no artist there at all, and no artistry. He manufactures (I think that's the correct word) smooth, uninteresting, melodious, tasteful, mid-tempo muzak, basically. If Adam or Kris did this they too would probably be as big as Daughtry very quickly, and sell six million albums.

I don't fault Daughtry and I don't think he's cynical or pandering to the masses. I just think that's his taste. He seems like a genuinely great guy and I think he deserves his success. I just don't want to listen to his music much.

Kelly -- well, we've debated her, before. Carrie is kind of boringly generic, as well. Again, like Daughtry, she can sing the notes and sing loud. But she's without any special quality I can see, as an artist. These are the kind of artists and the type of music Idol is famous for turning out.

 

[missaddicted]

The thing with the Power List is that they were giving extra points to the winners and then giving points in decreasing order to the other contestants according to their position, like runner-up, top 3, top 4, etc, which might explain why Cook, Kris and Adam got more points than Daughtry. As I understand it, the people making the list could also choose subjectively according to who are their favorites. Anyway, that list doesn't have any real influence on the real-life success of these people, I'm not sure why it's still debated.

And I guess you can say that Kelly-Carrie-Daughtry are not what you like, but they are popular for a reason. Maybe they're generic or whatever, but they all have great qualities as artists that make them appeal to people. I'm sure a lot of people could say that Kris is boringly generic (and well, they do say it), but in the end, it's all a matter of taste.

 

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ETA: Speaking of Daughtry, it looks like Kris is doing Send Me All Your Angels tonight. I have to say -- I love that one.

And I guess you can say that Kelly-Carrie-Daughtry are not what you like, but they are popular for a reason. Maybe they're generic or whatever, but they all have great qualities as artists that make them appeal to people. I'm sure a lot of people could say that Kris is boringly generic (and well, they do say it), but in the end, it's all a matter of taste.

Yes, I thought that's what I was doing -- stating my opinion. In my opinion they're boring. In my opinion Kris is not boring. I wasn't trying to say anything other than my opinion.
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Kris apparently coughed during a song. He seems to be doing okay though.

I guess this thing has gone back to adding my new posts to the last post I did. I don't know why it does that. I don't really like it.

Do read some of MJ's and Kirsten's posts in the headlines thread. Kudos to both.

American Idol Headlines for 06/06/10 | mjsbigblog

Interesting post on MJ's:

Most of the fan talk I saw today involved speculation about band comments made to fans last night – that there will definitely be a third single, and the timing of the second album release will be influenced by the success/longevity of The Truth & the 3rd single. Also, people are pretty excited that it was implied the whole band will be recording the next album together.