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So what do you make of this Adam-VH1 acoustic concert? Wonder how he scored that?
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I'm alternatively jealous/pissed/"so what?/WTF?" about it. Some Cook fans were pissed, because they would've loved to see David do something like that (me included) and wondered how Adam, of all people, would be offered to do an acoustic concert. Cause I wouldn't really associate Adam with "acoustic performance" just like that.

Mainly, I just feel it's another opportunity for Adam that he didn't really earn. And he had the nerve to complain to the Canadian media that he wasn't getting all the opportunities he could get because of homophobia. Yeah, whatever.
 
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ITA, missaddicted. It makes me want to vote even harder for Kris on VH1. Know what I mean? (Unsubtle hint. Vote!!! for Kross Allin. Cress Aloon. Whatever his name is.)

Did you guys see this?

jambajim @EWMichaelSlezak Just remember. Plaid + amazing acoustic reinterpretation = KRIS ALLEN.
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Whoever it is that writes the Top Idol blog had this to say today:

I feel another one of those KRIS ALLEN IS AWESOME diatribes coming on. You know, the ones I am compelled to write every few months?
In the few seasons I’ve watched of Idol, he is the only contestant I’ve liked more since watching the show. Usually I forget about them or they quickly bore me after the confetti stops falling. Kris Allen is a keeper. And after watching ****-For-Brains compare Gang Bang Garcia to Adam Lambert for his acoustic take on Straight Up, and then watching the rest of the episode…it was rather amusing to see all the people and their guitars when wait, wasn’t it only a week or 2 ago Idol devoted an entire five-minute montage to all those Adam Lambert wannabes.

Guys, I really liked those crazy Singapore videos. Of course they weren't as awesome in some ways as the Manila performances, but so fun. And a different atmosphere (nightclub). What I like is that Kris totally enjoys the amazing crowd attention, yet he seems unaffected by it (not getting a swelled head). Do many other idols get this kind of "Oh my God, I touched him" rockstar adulation -- from teen and twentysomething fans, I mean? Because I think Kris is kind of becoming a bit of a sex symbol.
 
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Adam really has been given the gold star treatment, hasn't he? They are pushing him like crazy. I sometimes wonder just how hard are they pushing?

Did David never get to do a VH1 thing or AOL sessions?

Aw!! Love this.

http://blogs.todayonline.com/poparazzi/2010/02/11/gold-kris-idol-adulation-a-review/


it was rather amusing to see all the people and their guitars when wait, wasn’t it only a week or 2 ago Idol devoted an entire five-minute montage to all those Adam Lambert wannabes.
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And didn't a bunch of people in the interviews say it was Kris that inspired them to try out? And they have yet to mention Kris. I think that might drive me crazier than anything else. And then Kara.. .. oh Kara.
Do many other idols get this kind of "Oh my God, I touched him" rockstar adulation
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Not sure. I haven't really followed anyone else that closely after Idol. Aside from Jake, who found a way to get the teens by being nuts.

I think maybe David and Chris and Kelly??? I don't know about Archie or Jordin?

I'd say no to Fantasia, Ruben, Clay.
 
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I meant to add: no matter what Kara said about Garcia comparing his moment to Adam, practically every article I read online today compared it to Kris and Heartless.
 
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I meant to add: no matter what Kara said about Garcia comparing his moment to Adam, practically every article I read online today compared it to Kris and Heartless.
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Because we are all smart and Kara is an idiot.
 
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Aw, the Top Idol post is great!

Do many other idols get this kind of "Oh my God, I touched him" rockstar adulation -- from teen and twentysomething fans, I mean? Because I think Kris is kind of becoming a bit of a sex symbol.
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I'm not surprised that Kris is loved by all the teens, lol. I would have had the biggest crush on him at 15!

Of course, Cook is known for his cougar fans, but he also has a lot of fans in their 20s *raises hand* and at the Montréal show, the first few rows were full of teenage girls who were screaming "I love you" at the top of their lungs. Those same girls were also by the bus when he came out to sign autographs.

I sometimes wonder just how hard are they pushing?
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Oh, they are pushing. Adam is lucky he has influential people on his side. Seriously.

Did David never get to do a VH1 thing or AOL sessions?
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He did AOL sessions, but of course, those don't have the same visibility as a televised concert. It's just that the fans have been wishing for some live release from Cook, a live EP, a concert DVD, something. The guy had a really successful tour after all! And we got nothing. And Adam is barely performing live anymore and he gets that televised concert. Not fair.
 
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Adam really has been given the gold star treatment, hasn't he? They are pushing him like crazy. I sometimes wonder just how hard are they pushing?
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I don't know. I don't really see Adam getting the gold star treatment. I don't think he's been getting much. Oprah, the VH1 thing, and...? Not much else. The casino show in Indio? The "presenter" gig on awards shows, the red carpet interview stuff...to me, that isn't much.

I'm not surprised that Kris is loved by all the teens, lol. I would have had the biggest crush on him at 15!
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This sounds a little like someone your age wouldn't find Kris sexy, but I don't know if that's necessarily true (I know, you're just speaking for yourself, but I mean, generally).
I actually meant older teens, and twentysomethings as well.
 
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I don't know. I don't really see Adam getting the gold star treatment. I don't think he's been getting much. Oprah, the VH1 thing, and...? Not much else. The casino show in Indio? The "presenter" gig on awards shows, the red carpet interview stuff...to me, that isn't much.
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Are you serious or ironic? Of course, I'm sure a lot of the gigs that Adam has been getting wouldn't interest David or Kris, but Adam has been getting incredible promotion. Three singles! Three videos! Promotion tour in Europe! He's everywhere. I think the main thing though is that they're succeeding in making him seem more successful that he actually is. The media is eating it up without looking at the facts.
 
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He did AOL sessions, but of course, those don't have the same visibility as a televised concert.
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Oh, I somehow missed the televised part. (I'm sick *whine*) So yeah I totally see why Cook fans would be pissed. David's got a really successful album already his tour did well too.

I don't know. I don't really see Adam getting the gold star treatment. I don't think he's been getting much. Oprah, the VH1 thing, and...? Not much else. The casino show in Indio? The "presenter" gig on awards shows, the red carpet interview stuff...to me, that isn't much.
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But it's very, very visible. Which sometimes works just as well in the public's mind. Afterall how many people know that his first real gig is at Fantasy Springs? Aside from New Year's that is.. which is New Years afterall. No one will remember that, (especially non-fans) but they might remember him from Oprah, or the Grammy red carpet. SO yeah it does keep his name out there.

I think the main thing though is that they're succeeding in making him seem more successful that he actually is. The media is eating it up without looking at the facts.
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YES!! Exactly! Adam says he has a song written by Pink on his album.. suddenly Pink wrote the song specifically for Adam, Gaga has a song on the Album.. ditto. Adam goes to Madonna's house.. Boom.. Madonna wants to meet him. Notice how many interviews referred to Adam's comment that he met Madonna?? When Adam's guitar player teaches Madonna's guitar lessons and invited Adam along for a 5 minute meeting. Everything is blown out of proportion.
 
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Are you serious or ironic?
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Serious.

Three singles! Three videos!
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See, I find this kind of desperate. I'm fairly sure that if FYE hadn't bombed there would have been no need for another single or video (supposedly he had to pay for the WWFM video himself, but who knows?). I mean, TFM and FYE basically tanked, here. If WWFM would have tanked, that would have been very bad for him. So I'm sure RCA busted their asses to promote that one. And it still hasn't done all that well. I mean, it's done well, but it's not the #1 song in the US, or anything.

I hope this won't seem presumptuous, but I wonder if you guys are seeing something different in Canada than I am in the US. Because somehow I think Adam is bigger there. Also, Kris is not very big there. Kris is dong much better here, after all. .

Like, FYE is popular in Canada, right? Even the video. That stuff has disappeared here without a trace. And TFM? Same thing. Yeah, Kris has only had one single and one video, but why would he need more, at this point? His first single/video was successful.

Promotion tour in Europe!
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See, I don't see why Adam getting a week-long promo trip to England is better than Kris getting a mini-tour like he just had.

And while Adam is doing great, I don't see him doing much professionally that's exceptional. Like I said, casino in Indio? Why are there no other concerts? I wonder if they are having trouble booking him. Isn't he supposed to perform sometimes?
 
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The thing about the three singles, my problem is that he actually got three singles. Had it been another artist, they might as well have abandonned ship right after the first failure.... like they did with Blake Lewis. I'm not a big dance music fan, but even I liked a few songs on Blake's first album... and the first single was not one of them. So, yes, it's somewhat desperate, but I find Adam pretty lucky that they gave him so many chances.

See, I don't see why Adam getting a week-long promo trip to England is better than Kris getting a mini-tour like he just had.
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Yes, I see your point. The thing is, I saw the lists of countries who buy more music and what portion of the market they occupy (it was posted on DCO). Of course, the US is the first one on the list with like 35-40% of music sales happening there. Right after, you have the UK (then other countries like Japan, France, Canada, Brazil, etc). Of course, I'm not undermining Kris' super successful tour in Asia, but those countries are really small markets compared to the UK. Also, the potential of Adam being popular in the UK makes it more probable that he'll break through elsewhere in Europe. Of course, it still remains to be seen whether it'll work for him in the UK.

And while Adam is doing great, I don't see him doing much professionally that's exceptional.
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He's not. But I was mostly talking about the perception of his success and his visibility, which is fairly high, even though he isn't performing. I think that's almost more important than his actual success. He's pretty much treated like a superstar, and my opinion is that he didn't really do anything to earn that title. Like, I'm not a Lady Gaga fan, but the girl has totally earned her "superstar" title. She has the success to back it up.
 
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Yes, I see your point. The thing is, I saw the lists of countries who buy more music and what portion of the market they occupy (it was posted on DCO). Of course, the US is the first one on the list with like 35-40% of music sales happening there. Right after, you have the UK (then other countries like Japan, France, Canada, Brazil, etc). Of course, I'm not undermining Kris' super successful tour in Asia, but those countries are really small markets compared to the UK. Also, the potential of Adam being popular in the UK makes it more probable that he'll break through elsewhere in Europe. Of course, it still remains to be seen whether it'll work for him in the UK.
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I see your point, also. It's getting kind of late so I probably won't be able to say anything right. Nonetheless...

It's not like the Far East was chosen for Kris because it's not a good market, or because his label is being cheap or not trying to promote him. It costs a lot of money to send him and the band there, and as someone pointed out, they were traveling first class all the way, good hotels, limos, and so forth. And he probably made good money from those concerts. It wasn't all about promotion.

Adam... I don't know if he's going to England with a band or just to do talk shows and promo. But I would say the cost of the venture would be less than Kris's if he isn't going with a band -- and England isn't on the othe side of the world, either.

My point was I'm sure they're not sending Kris to the Far East because they can't or won't send him to better countries, marketing-wise. Since the whole thing must cost a fortune, so why bother? I'm sure if Jive thought it was a good idea to send Kris to England, they would. (In fact, there was some talk of that -- I think Kris mentioned it once -- so it may even happen.)
 
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By the way, I just want to add: about Adam and Kris, I just have feeling about things, no proof to back them up. I guess I'm mostly saying this based on observations, and my own performing experience, such as it is. I don't see Adam or Kris as real go-getters, personality-wise. I don't see them as super-driven people. They're both pretty laid back. But I think Kris is giving it all he's got, because he's being smart. On the other hand, I think Adam thinks he's being smart, but I don't know how smart he's really being. I don't think he may be willing to do the grunt work. I think he feels he has little to learn as a performer, while Kris seems to want to learn and be more open minded to growing, or something.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, all performers need to have humilty enough to know that they know very little, and need to work on their craft all the time.
 
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(supposedly he had to pay for the WWFM video himself, but who knows?).
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Every artist has to pay for their videos out of their own pockets -unless they can qualify for Canadian videofact funding - or some other method. TFM was probably paid for by the movie or RCA, but yeah, Adam had to pay for FYE and WWFM, or will have to pay for it in the future. Record labels pretty much charge everything to the artist. So Adam and Kris will both have to pay for their respective travels, videos, bands etc.. Which means, budgets are a good thing.

There's like 6 parts of this interview from Singapore. It's really good, although they do spend a chunk of time talking Idol and Adam. But there's some live footage of the show in Singapore.. and Kris talks.. and you can make out what he's saying. :) Kris gets a puzzle and a ring from fans, lol.

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Gawd, that TWoP Kris thread....really don't think I can do that any more. Hate reading that now. Not worth the time.

I'm kind of confused how new artists without any money (which is most artists when the do their first videos/tours) can afford to pay for anything. Like, Jacob and Hedley, back in 2006. They did a video for On My Own and went on tour. But where did the money come from? He was a 20 year old carpenter's apprentice. I guess that's why I assumed the record company financed certain things.
 
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