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I didn't see the whole twitter thing. Well, I saw the end result, but I guess what you're refering to is people asking Kris repeatedly to tweet "poop"?

The cover: I think I've seen that picture of Adam before, no? It's like a "bad-boy" pose from a catalog. And the fan whose picture is on the cover seems to be trying to look exactly as Adam.

That bio thing was both interesting and annoying (I now know more than I've ever wanted to know about the kind of fan fiction that exist... that is a part of fandom I don't really get). They had some pretty private pictures, no? Where do all those pictures come from?

Last spoiler for today:

Ben Honeycutt (I'm kind of in love with his name) made the top 24! I guess it makes me happy a bit since I thought he was going to get cut because he's a guy with a guitar. Well, maybe he's not that good anyway, but they so much want a girl to win that I almost thought they would cut all the good guys, especially the musicians.
 
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"Honeycutt" reminds me of a character on an old TV show. Anyone know? For 10 points.*

*(B. J. Honeycutt, on M*A*S*H.)

I think he's good, but sort of uninteresting to me at this point. How we react to people is funny, it's a chemical reaction, or something. Randy said there were no Kris or Adam types, didn't he? So I'm assuming he's not one. Though he seems like it. He seems to have a similar vocal range, also.

The last thing I want in the Top 24 is a possible Kris clone. "Kris is so ordinary, there are hundreds of others out there like him." Of course, the Kris clone could end up sucking.

Here's a Brian Mansfield interview with Kara. I'm glad she says what she says about No Boundaries (though I wouldn't have minded if she had just thrown in there that "Kris did a good job with it, anyway").

Kara DioGuardi discusses jingles, Hollywood week, 'No Boundaries' and Andrew Fenlon - Idol Chatter: American Idol News, Rumors, & Information

I'v never gotten why people think it was "written for Danny." (I hope neither of you have said that. Oh, well.) Nobody knows who will win, so why would they be so stupid as to intend a song for only one contestant?

Besides, why would Danny be better at the song? (Do they think cheese is better at selling cheese? Wouldn't that be worse? Cheese overload.) Vocally, I think he's actually less able to handle it than the two who did it.

I always said that song was written as a generic pop song for no particular person, prior to Idol. Probably what they call a "trunk song." (One the songwriters are saving for a rainy day, possibly to be re-worked, at some point.) And it did cross my mind that it was a "woman's song", though it was still a bit of a surprise to hear her say it.

It's weird so little thought goes into choosing a coronation song/first single. What a mess. It's too bad Kris had to try to make it work instead of getting something suitable. (I've wondered if they should just release the best cover the person did during the season. I suppose that wouldn't end up selling. Though if they released Heartless this year it might have done okay.)

Final thought: There was nothing technically wrong with Kris's studio version of NB, imho - he did a great job and actually brought it to life. And he did it even better acoustic. But the song still sucked. I can't see a Gokey version being better. Worse, yes, that I can see.

This was a comment under the article -- I forgot all about this. Journalism at its finest:

Kris is still trying to make up lost ground from that pile on that came from the critics. The 'funniest' episode of that pile-on came when the Tampa Tribune critic panned Kris' performance of No Boundaries, even though it had been dropped from his set 3 weeks earlier. It was a prime example of 'copy/paste and put my name on it', entertainment 'journalism'.

And this comment made me laugh:

Folgers on the ground, Folgers on the ground
Lookin' like a fool with your Folgers on the ground
Folgers on the ground, Folgers on the ground
Lookin' like a fool with your Folgers on the ground
 
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I think people were saying that Danny would have done better with NoBo only because he would have been able to sell the cheese better. That's what he had done pretty much all season long after all.

15 out of 24 are now known, including 10 out of 12 guys. I haven't checked them all yet, but apparently there are a lot of "white guys with guitar". People on MJ's blog think they will all cancel each other out and that would be TPTB's strategy to get a girl to win. Makes some sense, but I still think it could backfire. The girls like their "guys with guitar" and if one is able to stand out from the pack, he could win it all.
 
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I think people were saying that Danny would have done better with NoBo only because he would have been able to sell the cheese better. That's what he had done pretty much all season long after all.
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Well, yeah. I know. I tend to disagree, for reasons I already wrote (I edited my stuff a bit, too.) But a lot of people have said it was "written for" him, which we now know it definitely was not. And I always disagreed with those posts.

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I'm surprised the show can't keep a tighter lid on that. The results never seem to leak to this extent on Canadian Idol, for ex. There seems little reason to watch. The show is built on suspense.

I haven't checked them all yet, but apparently there are a lot of "white guys with guitar". People on MJ's blog think they will all cancel each other out and that would be TPTB's strategy to get a girl to win. Makes some sense, but I still think it could backfire. The girls like their "guys with guitar" and if one is able to stand out from the pack, he could win it all.
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Whatever people on MJ's blog say is usually wrong. (lol) Like you, I usually question it when they all think they "know" something. I don't care if a "guy with a guitar" wins as long as he is not too similar to Kris, because I don't want whoever it is to give Kris direct competition. Speaking of canceling each other out.

If a girl won, that would be less likely, obviously. And some variety is nice.

Personally I don't think "guys with guitar" (or piano) are anything new to Idol any more. Adam and Danny, who didn't play instruments, were the exception, at this point. People on MJ's blog continue to lump guys with guitars together because (from what I've seen over there) a lot of them don't get that kind of music and are living in a kind of 1980's time warp. (Of course all of the guitar/piano guys -- like Kris, and David, before him -- had to get through the audition rounds on vocal ability. It's sometimes forgotten.)

Maybe guys with guitars are the norm now. I don't see why they would cancel each other out, necessarily. At this point it's a little like saying, "They're all guys, they'll cancel each other out because they're guys." It seems unlikely.

By the way, Kris's win seems to have inspired some of those guys to try out. That's cool. I hope Kris (and David) have had an influence over Idol in that way.

ETA: I don't mind a Top 24, but I don't like the 12 guys/12 girls thing. I'm not into that. I'd rather have a Top 10 that's not gender specific.
 
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I don't think knowing the top 24 kills the suspense. For me, it builds anticipation! I want to know right now if there's somebody I'll be likely to root for! The suspense between the top 24 and the end of the season is way enough for me! I think the top 24 for CI6 was known in advance, but I don't know how long in advance it was known.

ETA: Last year, it's also because I saw Kris on that top 36 spoiler list that I really started to get an interest in him. I knew that I would see more of him!

Maybe guys with guitars are the norm now. I don't see why they would cancel each other out, necessarily. At this point it's a little like saying, "They're all guys, they'll cancel each other out because they're guys." It seems unlikely.
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Yes, you're right. Still, I think the people on the blog make a point that could become valid, depending on the quality of the guys chosen and if the fangirls are all divided between all those guys. I actually don't mind all the "guys with guitar". From what I know about my history with Idol and my personal musical tastes, I'm more likely to root for one of them than for a girl.

By the way, Kris's win seems to have inspired some of those guys to try out. That's cool. I hope Kris (and David) have had an influence over Idol in that way.
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Yes, that's great! Maybe some musicians before thought that they would never want to go on that "cheesy karaoke show", but now that they added instruments and that musicians have succeeded on the show, it must make them review their positions.
 
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Yes, that's great! Maybe some musicians before thought that they would never want to go on that "cheesy karaoke show", but now that they added instruments and that musicians have succeeded on the show, it must make them review their positions.
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Yeah! That's neat. Unfortunately there's not one judge who I think is a big appreciator of that type of music (even Ellen was an Adam fan). I don't know whether it's age, or what. More likely it's "what."

Hey! LLWD is #15 on iTunes! Or so I read on "cette blog."

This is great! I think it has as much to do with it being Top 10 on HAC as anything. The video being at #5 doesn't hurt, nor does AI9. The album is descending more today, though.

I voted a lot for the video this week. I've become convinced that our pitiful votes really do make a difference. I voted about 100 times a day. It's not hard, except I tend to fall asleep after about 50 votes, and have to keep myself awake (it's the repetitiveness). The reason I think we can make a difference is that I don't think many people who vote, vote that many times. They may vote 5 or 10 times. Especially if they rank all 20 videos. (And maybe not that many people vote, in the first place.) So if we all vote a good amount I think we actually will see a result from it.

Besides, we need to beat the Glamberts now.
 
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I'v never gotten why people think it was "written for Danny." (I hope neither of you have said that. Oh, well.) Nobody knows who will win, so why would they be so stupid as to intend a song for only one contestant?
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God, knows I've said a lot so I may have- can't remember now - Danny might have made the song work solely because I don't believe Kris or Adam could have sold that pile of poo believably...Danny.....eh.. Over the top singing meets over the top lyrics.. there might have been an audience for it. Who knows? It wouldn't be the audience that likes Kris and Adam or you know current songs. But it would suit his musical style more than Kris or Adam's.

By the way, Kris's win seems to have inspired some of those guys to try out. That's cool. I hope Kris (and David) have had an influence over Idol in that way.
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For me this is the coolest thing that came from David, Jason, Brooke last year and Kris this year. A sea change in the show away from diva singing.

Maybe some musicians before thought that they would never want to go on that "cheesy karaoke show", but now that they added instruments and that musicians have succeeded on the show, it must make them review their positions.
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I think a lot of them are starting to think that the "cheesy karaoke show" can do a lot for them. And rightly so. When you think about it even CI, there are so many opportunities that can come out of Idol. You don't need to win. If Kris hadn't won he still would have had tremendous things happen for him musically. Between the contacts they make and the experiences they have with tour, interviews and being on camera. It's really a great learning experience. Of course winning gets you way more of those opportunities so I think you want to win.

ETA: I don't mind a Top 24, but I don't like the 12 guys/12 girls thing. I'm not into that. I'd rather have a Top 10 that's not gender specific.
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Me too. I want the best singers period. Unless of course they are all in the style that I hate. :)

Had to laugh at the Fireflies cover. I was just listening to a Suzie McNeil cover of 'Son of a Preacher Man' (kinda meh.. they had her vocals too low)

YouTube - Suzie McNeil Covers "Son Of A Preacher Man"

and came across a Faber Drive Cover of Fireflies
YouTube - Faber Drive Covers "Fireflies"
 
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Tell me, is the Top 10 gender-specific, also? Or the Top 12, whatever it is? I don't know how it works.
 
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Strangely, I'm really pretty Idoled out. Not at all psyched about the new season. I actually feel more like I need an Idol vacay. Glad you guys are feelin' it, though. You can make up for my apathy.
 
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Yes, the top 12 will be 6 guys and 6 girls. In the semis, the girls will perform on one night, the guys the second night and the results will be announced on the third night.

Okay, I might like this girl. She doesn't seem like the type of girl AI usually likes:

VARLET on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads (Lilly Scott)

Her recorded voice is definitely something I very much enjoy. The music is not too bad either.
 
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Strangely, I'm really pretty Idoled out. Not at all psyched about the new season. I actually feel more like I need an Idol vacay. Glad you guys are fellin' it, though. You can make up for my apathy.
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You know I was almost ready to write this season off after the Atlanta auditions episode, but I think this top 24 (or what we know from it) seems interesting. I don't blame you if you're feeling Idoled out though. Last season was often painful and what has happened since then has sometimes been even more painful.
 
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I don't blame you if you're feeling Idoled out though. Last season was often painful and what has happened since then has sometimes been even more
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No, it's not that. Really. I think last season was mega-wonderful and most of what has happened since, for my chosen Idol, as far as I'm concerned, is a sort of dream come true. For him, and even for me in that I've never really been a fan of an Idol before, to this extent (other than Jacob, and Kalan, but that was after the fact of the actual season). And my guy gets to do all the stuff I want him to be doing. And I get to enjoy it, because there's something about Kris, if you like him. He just never gets boring or old. I can watch him all day long, listen to him all day, etc. What could be better than to discover an artist you like this much? How often does it happen? For me, only once in a while.

The rest of the stuff -- ah, well, you have to take the bitter with the better, as grandma used to say.

No, it's just that I can't really absorb all the new stuff. You guys are music lovers par excellence. And while I'm a music lover, I need a bit more variety. Classical, jazz, show tunes, swing, choral music, anything. I think it's actually the same type of music all the time that is getting to me a little bit. Nothing but pop or light rock singers. It's a bit much to absorb. Kind of getting to be same-ol-same-ol, for me. This isn't even my favorite type of pop or rock, I usually prefer bands, especially pop-punk.

It's not you, it's me, in other words. :)
 
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PS, you are right though that there is a painful aspect. When I got to see season 6 of CI, it was like a homecoming feeling...yay, Zack, Ben, Sass! Etc. I love those people. I don't know why. I respect the judges, I guess. And I love the show.

Now, here comes AI, and we have these people I basically don't dig. I don't know if it has to do with their cluelessness/stupidy/meanness last season re Kris, or just those qualities in general. Like the "sing for your life" thing where the judges could have at least sat for a minute and listened and pretended to be judging (not dancing). It would have been at least polite. PLUS, what sense does it make to say "we're going to let you sing for us again" and then not to be at least serious about it?

What is with these weird people? I don't get Randy, I don't like Simon, I have tried but I can't stand Kara a lot of the time. And Ryan...well, whatever. Maybe Ellen will do it for me, change how I see the show.

Unlike CI -- concise, enjoyable, classy CI, which I can actually follow (and where I actually feel I get to know the contestants -- and even their relationships to some of the judges -- from their first auditions, onward) -- AI is an incoherent, slow, badly edited mess.

And needless to say, mainpulated to such an extreme it's beyond ridiculous. (I know that sounds like a contradiction. How can it be badly edited and also manipulated? I don't know. It can, though. Maybe that's why the manipulation is so obvious.)

It never really takes off until Top 13, 12, 10, whatever. Then you get all the glitz, the guest stars, the lighting, the music...and the idols. But before that it's a trial.

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.....have I scared you off yet?

I have a question. Supposedly Kris (LLWD) entered the countdown on Seacrest 's Top 40, at #26. Just recently. What? Two weeks ago? And now Adam's WWFM is entering that countdown. I don't really get that. In other words, why did it take so long for them to play Kris? Yet Adam is already squeaking into the countdown.

My one thing about CI I don't like, btw: How they ignore most of their past winners. They should at least have them on for a bow from the audience, once a year. Yet they have had Hedley on 3 times, I think. They even include Jacob's picture in the opening credits with the Idol winners. I realize they have to point up their big success story, but...well, it would be different, maybe, if Jacob hadn't, as Zack put it, "pooched" on the show. That left a bad taste.
 
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