Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

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That sounds like irony to me, no? Because if they're serious, lol! It sounds like something we would write to make fun ofthe Glamberts.

Well, the poster was probably using irony, yes. She likes Kris a lot. But it was the original post more than any that made me laugh. Kris (a guitar player) is invited by Gibson, as are members of Adam's band. But why isn't Adam there? He doesn't play a Gibson guitar, of course, but why isn't he there, anyway? Because how could Kris get anything Adam doesn't get?

The first poster is the same one who was responding to yesterday's posts about AWM and BWCU being featured on Wednesday's episode. She wrote something like: "I know AWM was featured in the commercial, and BWCU was used in the montage, but were any of Kris's songs used in the actual show, or am I missing something?" Haha. The "actual show." Hahahaha.
 
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So, AOL said that Adam's sessions would be online on the 28th? What about Kris? And Allison? WTF AOL?

ETA: Oh! Kris now officially has a Top 10 HAC hit! Yay LLWD!
 
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Whoot Whoot!!!

TOP TEN!!!

They mentioned the 28th for Adam? They better delay those a month.. or release Kris and Allison's first or I will be majorly pissed.

Interesting moment on MOD. They premiered Adam's video for WWFM, but the interesting facts they ran during the video were about Kris. I had to check twice.. what? Paul McCartney? What? lol. They said his favourite Beatle was Paul and that he wanted to play with him, then mentioned Beatles Rockband.. they then said there was room for both Adam and Kris in the music industry and they were both talented .. then asked everyone to tweet who you like better Adam or Kris. Of course they did... ARGH! So I did. Hee!

I don't think anyone was reading along though, since everyone else is tweeting about the Mission District, Stereos and the New Cities.
 

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Interesting moment on MOD. They premiered Adam's video for WWFM, but the interesting facts they ran during the video were about Kris. I had to check twice.. what? Paul McCartney? What? lol. They said his favourite Beatle was Paul and that he wanted to play with him, then mentioned Beatles Rockband.. they then said there was room for both Adam and Kris in the music industry and they were both talented .. then asked everyone to tweet who you like better Adam or Kris. Of course they did... ARGH! So I did. Hee!

That's interesting. Maybe they're preparing to play the LLWD video. I don't know how Kris could actually have many fans there when he's getting no exposure.

Was that video shoot for the promo we've already seen? Looks like it. Unless they're also going to use more of the footage in another ad (that's possible). What was the part with Kris and the band? What were they recording? Have you heard anything?

Hedley's rehearsing again. Acoustic - sweet.

I haven't been able to sit through that rehearsal footage Jacob has been posting. I have no patience. Is there any way to FF to the good stuff?
 

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It occurs to me that, now that Kris's song has gone gold, and he's gaining popularity, and he's in the Top 10 on HAC in the US, and all that , maybe the Canadian media thinks it's "safe" to embrace him. Do you think that's it? I have to say I'm a little miffed at them about the way they've mostly ignored him up till now.

Apple - iTunes - Browse the top music downloads

On this iTunes chart Kris is at #12. I never know what this particular chart represents. He seems to be at #17 on the actual, updated-hourly overall chart, and #12 on the updated-hourly pop chart. Anyhow, good numbers -- and the album (at least on iTunes) s doing a lot better, too.
 

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Yep about 40 spins ahead of Daughtry. Whoot! Couple hundred behind Colbie though..

8 9 COLBIE CAILLAT Fallin' For You 2761 2920 -159 14.259
12 10 KRIS ALLEN Live Like We're Dyin... 2363 2214 149 12.44
13 11 DAUGHTRY Life After You 2322 2150 172 11.352

I know you don't like to download, but I hit record on the last song. So here it is if you want it. (it's a .wmv file - so video) It's really good.

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I have to say I'm a little miffed at them about the way they've mostly ignored him up till now

Oh, me too. And usually they are all over Idol. But they've really only supported Adam, although, on the radio this morning they had an interesting conversation - which had absolutely nothing to do with Idol, I can't remember who they were talking about but they were discussing the songs that they have on their website to be rated and how some of the songs that get average results are actually the songs that end up sticking around longer since they have time to grow on people. And that sometimes the best songs are the ones you don't expect. Anyway it made me think about LLWD since it's a grower type of song.

and Idol has been great for Kris, I think it reminded a lot of people that they really liked him on the show.
 
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Why can't I live in California? Today, David Cook tweeted the news he teased yesterday and said that they were going to play a show in another casino in Palm Springs, CA on February 27th. I wonder why the random show in February? Casino shows must pay a good amount of money, so if they were offered the gig, I understand them accepting to do it, even if they're not touring right now.

ETA: And they obviously love performing live and might miss it after the year of touring they did. I don't think it's all about the money!

What was the part with Kris and the band? What were they recording? Have you heard anything?

Wasn't that when they recorded Rockin' Around the Xmas Tree for the Disney parade? Kris mentions rehearsing a "little Xmas ditty" (or something) with the band at the beginning of the video.
 
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I know you don't like to download, but I hit record on the last song. So here it is if you want it. (it's a .wmv file - so video) It's really good.

Sorry, SleepinIn...what last song? Are you talking about Hedley?

Oh, yeah, I forgot about Idol being on in Canada as well as here. No doubt this has to do with MOD's sudden interest, as well.

and Idol has been great for Kris, I think it reminded a lot of people that they really liked him on the show.

I agree! There are also people who are watching it for the first time (like me last year). Wanting to check out last year's winner. And there are people who don't pay attention to Idol off season, who are reminded, as you say. Some may be checking out Kris on iTunes for the first time since last season.

I think it's given him a nice bump. On the other hand, LLWD was doing well before this, for ex., poised to go gold without Idol's help. So I think all of Kris's promotion and the quality of his performances recently have also helped. I'm proud of him! :)

I read a review of his NYE performance that called him a great entertainer, somebody who loves to perform, etc. This is a side of Kris that's going to surprise people who think of him only as an Idol perfomer doing one cover song a week.

Not to compare Adam and Kris needlessly, but Adam has not been "more" after Idol, he hasn't seemed to be bigger (as a performer). (I'm not talking about as a celebrity.) He's been either the same, or maybe less, without a TV show or the tour to "present" him. Kris has been "more" without the show. Not sure why this is the case, but that's how I see it right now.

I can't judge Canadian media, not being there. I don't know how deeply they go into entertainment that isn't based in Canada. Where Adam and Kris are concerned, I've gotten the impression they don't understand that Kris is liked in the US. I think they judge things based on Rolling Stone's opinion of Adam, etc. -- thinking it represents popular opinion.

Of course, the show is watched in Canada, but nobody votes, and they're not invested in "their" Idol, so their reaction to the show and contestants may be different. A lot of Canadians may be more dispassionate about it, like I am, in a way, about who becomes the Canadian Idol.
 
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Of course, the show is watched in Canada, but nobody votes, and they're not invested in "their" Idol, so their reaction to the show and contestants may be different. A lot of Canadians may be more dispassionate about it, like I am, in a way, about who becomes the Canadian Idol.

I know you're talking about Canadians on the whole and I understand your point... but it's still a bit funny considering the two Canadian super-invested fans you're talking to everyday!
 

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know you're talking about Canadians on the whole and I understand your point... but it's still a bit funny considering the two Canadian super-invested fans you're talking to everyday!

You're right!

Speaking as a super-invested fan, why do you think Kris hasn't gotten a lot of love in Canada? I'm just trying to figure it out. Maybe you have a better perspective since you're there. (I know you'll probably say AI is not that popular in Quebec. But what about the rest of Canada? I'm curious.)
 

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Honestly, I don't really know. It's even actually hard for me to grasp how the rest of Canada (outside Québec) reacts on that matter, since the Canadian media I follow all are French Québécois media. I know that right after the show, Adam was clearly doing better on iTunes (Canada) than Kris was. So maybe it's just that people here prefered Adam, it might be as simple as that, and that fact didn't go unnoticed by some in the industry, hence why Adam is getting pretty good radio play (I think?). Another possible explanation is that we have our own Canadian artists here that get airplay on the radio that they don't get in the US. And in Québec, we have the French music ratios that the radio stations have to respect. So, they can't play all the same music that's played in the US.

Maybe that all doesn't make sense, but I think what I'm trying to say is that it's probably not Kris's fault (meaning, it's not that people don't like him) that he isn't getting a lot of love here. Maybe it's just that he isn't getting a platform to be promoted, mainly by not really playing on the radio. And most often, it's not the public that decides what plays on the radio. I actually don't even know how David Cook did on the radio here in Canada. I know he had respectable album sales here (gold certification), but I don't even know how related they were to radio plays or if they were more related to Idol recognition.
 

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Thanks, that's interesting. I have a feeling Kris is going to get some belated love in Canada, though. Just a feeling.

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Of course, the show is watched in Canada, but nobody votes, and they're not invested in "their" Idol, so their reaction to the show and contestants may be different. A lot of Canadians may be more dispassionate about it, like I am, in a way, about who becomes the Canadian Idol.

I'm quoting this again because I thought of something I wanted to add. As much as I think CI was mostly a superior show (better judges, better themes, better song choices, less manipulation, more interesting contestants in general), the fact is I've never been more invested in a result of an Idol show as I was for seasons 7 and 8 of AI. David and Kris are my Idols, even if they're American *bad canadian*.

Also, I actually think AI is more watched in Canada than CI was (especially in the later seasons). I mean, there are even more people who watched Star Académie in Québec than people who watched CI in all of Canada (2,5M viewers watched Star Académie while CI6 was having trouble getting 1,5M viewers, I believe). And AI is just more talked about too, there's so much buzz about that show that it can cross the border pretty easily... except in Québec I guess, but there's the language barrier in play here as well.
 

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Sorry, SleepinIn...what last song? Are you talking about Hedley?

Ha, sorry.. yes. Hedley - Jacob really since he sang it alone on guitar. He called it the Gyspy Song. Twas good.

I read a review of his NYE performance that called him a great entertainer, somebody who loves to perform, etc. This is a side of Kris that's going to surprise people who think of him only as an Idol perfomer doing one cover song a week.

I completely agree. Kris got labeled the nice Christian boy in the media to Adam's super amazing Glam god. Neither of which are true representations of them. Kris is nice and Christian, and Adam likes glam music (especially Lady Gaga.. seriously get that boy on her tour, they'll have a ball) but that isn't what makes them who they are as people. And to the media, who kept calling Kris the "safe choice" they didn't take into account the fact that Kris was amazing, and had an unflappable ability to stay true to himself, and make ballsy decisions about music on a show that will twist you into a musical equivalent of a pretzel. And Kris with C.R.A.C.K. are just plain great. It's pretty hard to believe that they've only played together in public since that Miami performance. And I've gone off on a tangent.. but I agree with you. People really still don't know how entertaining Kris is.


I can't judge Canadian media, not being there. I don't know how deeply they go into entertainment that isn't based in Canada. Where Adam and Kris are concerned, I've gotten the impression they don't understand that Kris is liked in the US. I think they judge things based on Rolling Stone's opinion of Adam, etc. -- thinking it represents popular opinion.

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Oh, they're all in. No doubt. We are immersed in US culture. I think the Rollingstone and Entertainment Weekly covers are a big part of it for sure. If you say things enough times people start to believe them. Not to mention "Adam is gay!" (Have you heard?) 20/20, AMA's, Details, 2012, etc.. Adam's a media lightning rod.

Of course, the show is watched in Canada, but nobody votes, and they're not invested in "their" Idol, so their reaction to the show and contestants may be different. A lot of Canadians may be more dispassionate about it, like I am, in a way, about who becomes the Canadian Idol

I think it's different though for you because for Canadian Idol you don't get the massive media explosion for CI - you have to search it out. And actually CI is different for us too - we get media but nothing like AI. Most of the media for CI originates with CTV. For us - well me in Ontario - AI is everywhere, they talk about it on the radio, it's on the news, they talk about it on every network, it's on the internet, twitter, blogs, it's total media saturation. There really is no show like Idol in terms of media domination.

It doesn't even matter than we can't actually vote.

So maybe it's just that people here prefered Adam, it might be as simple as that, and that fact didn't go unnoticed by some in the industry

A definite possibility. Plus, I don't think Canada cared all that much that Adam was gay, it wasn't shocking or anything.. they probably wouldn't have done a story on him just to announce that fact. And the whole "Adam was robbed thing" helped his sales I think.

Another possible explanation is that we have our own Canadian artists here that get airplay on the radio that they don't get in the US

True and there are actually a lot of Canadian acts doing really well right now,

I actually don't even know how David Cook did on the radio here in Canada.

I heard both David's all the time on the radio. But I don't know when that started since I didn't really follow that closely. So I don't know if there was a delay in their radio play in Canada. I tend to think that they played the songs as soon as they were available. I don't know why the hesitation with Kris since his music style is very similar to the type of music CHUM would play, so I almost think that they didn't really push Kris's music to Canada. But I don't know.

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Also, I actually think AI is more watched in Canada than CI was (especially in the later seasons). I mean, there are even more people who watched Star Académie in Québec than people who watched CI in all of Canada

Absolutely. There are people at work who wouldn't dream of watching CI and yet watched and obsessed about AI.