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[ross 1]

You read all my post, right?

Yes, I did, don't worry. I know you said it was a joke!

1. Kris has never played the song live.
2. Kris will play it live.

Hm. LLWD sung live. That could be strange, acoustic. And good. Strangely good.

Here's the kind of odd thing I obsess about. Kris is doing that benefit concert with The Script, right? I don't know if you saw the press release. Kris will be playing for about 25 minutes. Acoustic. The Script will be playing for one hour. Closing the show.

So that means Kris is probably going to sing LLWD acoustic. Now what is it about this strikes me as odd? I mean, it's not as if the Script is going to play backup for Kris. But doesn't it seem funny that he'll be there in concert with the one band that can play the song, and yet he's singing it acoustic? Do you get what I mean?

I have to go out for a while. Back in a couple of hours, probably. SleepinIn, I'll probably be trying that quiz later!

 

[SleepinIn]

So that means Kris is probably going to sing LLWD acoustic. Now what is it about this strikes me as odd? I mean, it's not as if the Script is going to play backup for Kris. But doesn't it seem funny that he'll be there in concert with the one band that can play the song, and yet he's singing it acoustic? Do you get what I mean?

I get ya. I feel the same actually. But, then again the Script have put out an album, opened for Paul McCartney and Kris is only beginning, doesn't have a band.... So yeah, I talked myself down. That radio station is one of the ones that is playing a lot of the single. So it's all good.

 

[missaddicted]

Well, seems that we've lost Jemma again, but hopefully you can still read, because other videos from Friday are getting out!

We're Only Honest When We're Sleeping (too bad it's an unreleased song, I love it!):

YouTube - David Cook Montreal - Honest

 

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I get ya. I feel the same actually. But, then again the Script have put out an album, opened for Paul McCartney and Kris is only beginning, doesn't have a band.... So yeah, I talked myself down. That radio station is one of the ones that is playing a lot of the single. So it's all good.

I have a question. The stations that are playing the single. Do you think they were somehow pre-selected by Jive as test markets, sort of? Or is it just random? It seemed like they were some of the same stations that played No Boundaries. Or I could be wrong about that. I guess I'm curious whether there's a method behind all this. I would probably rest easier if I knew there was.

About Kris playing on the bill with The Script. Not sure what you were talking yourself down from. I think you mean it bothered you that The Script were the headliners? Or just that Jive put them on the same bill? I guess I'm not sure.

I don't have a problem with Kris opening for them. I guess. Even though, to a lot of people in the audience, he's more famous. He hasn't really paid his dues. I don't know how long The Script has been around.

And then there's the question of how Jive will handle Kris touring. David Cook (RCA, I think) has his own tours, but Jordin is opening for the Jonas Bros. and Britney Spears. Not that that's a bad gig. But I hope Kris gets to headline his own tour.

 

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Kangaroo Kris is back from London.

I don't see Kris on the Z100 playlist. I thought he was supposed to be on it now. Maybe not. Did I misunderstand that?

Z100 - New York's Hit Music Station

 

[missaddicted]

And then there's the question of how Jive will handle Kris touring. David Cook (RCA, I think) has his own tours, but Jordin is opening for the Jonas Bros. and Britney Spears. Not that that's a bad gig. But I hope Kris gets to headline his own tour.

That's a question I've been asking myself too. I hope he gets to headline, but I understand that opening for bigger acts is also a mean to get exposed to a bigger and different audience.

I don't see Kris on the Z100 playlist. I thought he was supposed to be on it now. Maybe not. Did I misunderstand that?

I read about it here, so someone did talk about that before. I don't remember if it was you or SleepinIn.

 

[ross 1]

I read about it here, so someone did talk about that before. I don't remember if it was you or SleepinIn.

I think I read they were playing it, that's definitely true. But I thought from something somebody said it was on the playlist. I want to go look back on the thread. But that's such a wild goose chase...hey. Maybe I'll Google it.

 

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That's a question I've been asking myself too. I hope he gets to headline, but I understand that opening for bigger acts is also a mean to get exposed to a bigger and different audience.

Yeah, I guess that's true. Listening to that applause for David Cook, though...well, I can see Kris getting that applause a year from now. I've been hoping for him to be on his own for a while. I think in his case a solo tour would help him establish who he is. Actually, I've always been for the idea of him having a college tour (ha. I just didn't know I wasn't going to it. But that's okay, I guess). And I forgot: he mentioned in an interview that they were talking about a college tour. It's in their plans, I believe.

I keep thinking of Archie being on the Jingle Ball tour last year. I mean, there were big acts. I think Katy Perry was on it? I forget. But I don't think Kris belongs on that kind of tour. Then again, I assume his label is at least smart enough to know that.

 

[missaddicted]

I keep thinking of Archie being on the Jingle Ball tour last year. I mean, there were big acts. I think Katy Perry was on it? I forget. But I don't think Kris belongs on that kind of tour. Then again, I assume his label is at least smart enough to know that.

Oh, I think he will do them, probably. Cook also did some of them. I think it was great for him and his band to do shorter sets during these shows, it was good preparation for his then upcoming solo tour. And, again, it's good promotion.

 

[ross 1]

missaddicted, I did Google the single, and Z100. I ended up getting something about Rickey's blog. So I went there, after reading the headline that came up on Google. And I found more Rickey crap that made me pissed off!

Please buy Kris Allen's "Live Like We're Dying.

I don’t understand why Kris Allen’s new single “Live Like We’re Dying” isn’t selling that well on iTunes or Amazon.com. Is it really a bad first single? I think it is catchy — even though it’s unsingable after a first listen. (Can anybody really memorize the lyrics on one pass?)
The cynical part of me says: “Well if his fans weren’t busy attacking a certain blogger on Twitter and promoted the single a bit more maybe we could see better download numbers.” (Wink)
However… I’m just perplexed right now, and very sad.

For one thing, the single is not part of the Kris Allen iTunes Pass which was made available to fans after the finale. Are Kris Allen fans holding out for their copy and not buying the single? Or did most of them buy the single and it’s just not catching on to the general public?
If you are one of these people holding out, I think shelling out an extra $1.29 to help generate buzz for Kris on the charts shouldn’t be too much of a burden. I’ve been tracking the single on iTunes since it was released, and the highest it ever reached was #28 and right now it is at #66.
By comparison, and no this is not unfair. David Archuleta’s first single “Crush” climbed as high as #1 on iTunes. David Archuleta is on Jive Records just like Kris Allen. Similarly, David Cook’s first single “Light On” (and admittedly not as catchy as “Crush”) reached #3 on iTunes. David Cook won American Idol just like Kris Allen. “Crush” and “Light On” didn’t need any extra radio airplay to push them to the top of the charts.
Jordin Sparks’ first single “Tattoo” had about a month of radio airplay before it arrived on iTunes. The archives say it reached #18, but it could have been better. Kris Allen is more popular than Jordin right?
Is this all recession related? Are the Davids just more popular than the winner of Season 8? What’s going on? I’m so confused.
Personally, I think 19E should put Kris Allen’s face on one of the banners on top of iTunes. This will give the single a huge push. I don’t understand why they aren’t promoting Kris’ single a bit more.
11 more days and the album is finished! So exciting!

Under this, there was a comment by a Kris fan who used to post on mj's blog. She said the song is #27 on Z100's playlist. So what was the list I linked to? I have to assume she's probably right, but why isn't it listed?

In another comment (actually her first one), she wrote:

Rickey, Adam Lambert fans succeeded in damaging Kris’ single with their campaign of “it’s a cover, and it is just like the Script’s version”.
Of course, no one had ever heard of the Script’s version until they carpet bombed the internet and every music site with that bit of information.
Now, they are acting all innocent, in hopes of avoiding payback for Adam.
And, what damage they didn’t do, was finished off by you, when you declared Kris’ album to be cr*p.
IF Kris had any support from Jive, their PR people would be at work trying to undo that damage, but he has never had their support.

Well, let me see...I need to respond to that. But not on Rickey's blog.

A) I don't think "Adam's fans" can be blamed for Kris not selling a lot of singles. It's true what she says about some of these people carpet bombing the internet about the Script, and the cover, but I wouldn't call these people average Adam fans -- I mean, they are Adam fans, for sure, but they're crazy people. Whoever they are, they also regularly go to every site and say Kris won because of cheating Arkansas voters. Do they do damage? Yeah, I think they do. I didn't actually think so, at first, but they never, ever let up. I mean, Kris won AI on May 20th. Why are they still at it? If nothing else, they take the joy out of everything.

There are a lot of them on mj's blog, as well. Of course, they're entitled to their opinions. But you have to wonder what makes them so hateful. It's pretty weird.

Like the examiner.com stuff, it's just wrong. This is somebody's career, and life, they're fooling with.

B) Rickey damaged Kris's sales? I doubt it. But he didn't help anything. He planted doubts. To what purpose, I don't know. Anyway, his blog post came out right after the single dropped, when there was a lot of poitive buzz, and he seemed to change the buzz. He also stole focus. Instead of the single, everyone was talking about Rickey. Great for Rickey.

C) This person is often negative about Kris having support from his label. I don't happen to think she's right about that. I don't know what they can do about crazy Adam fans trolling the internet. And what can they do about Rickey? Ignore it. Be above it. That's the right approach.

So I find some of this stuff interesting, but I can't point to any of it as being to blame for anything.

Please Buy Kris Allen’s “Live Like We’re Dying� : American Idol 9 – Rickey.org

 

[missaddicted]

Honestly, I don't know how to respond to all that except to say: Rickey? Whatever...

I guess I just don't ask myself questions about this and the less I think about the crazy Adam fans, the better I am. Sorry, I don't know what to say. I just don't really have an opinion over who affected what and whatever effect Rickey might or might not have had.

 

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I guess I just don't ask myself questions about this and the less I think about the crazy Adam fans, the better I am. Sorry, I don't know what to say. I just don't really have an opinion over who affected what and whatever effect Rickey might or might not have had.

Okay, I understand. Unfortunately I don't think a lot of the rest of the world thinks like you. I wish it did. I don't think everyone ignores negative comments and crap-spreading. I guess I'm just beginning to think these trouble makers may actually be causing some trouble.

 

[SleepinIn]

I have a question. The stations that are playing the single. Do you think they were somehow pre-selected by Jive as test markets, sort of? Or is it just random? It seemed like they were some of the same stations that played No Boundaries. Or I could be wrong about that. I guess I'm curious whether there's a method behind all this. I would probably rest easier if I knew there was.

The ones that are playing it early seem to have some connection - Z100 (where the single debuted), Cinncinati (where the Bosom Ball is happening), Little Rock and Portland which is a Christian station.

Song History

Z100 does have it on their request page, and I've heard that they've played it several times today.

Online Request Line - Z100 - New York's Hit Music Station

I requested it from CHUM using this link
Mediabase 24/7 - CHUM-FM Station Playlist Request

Change CHUM in the URL to your local station's call letters and you can request too. I had to write in my vote. CHUM doesn't have it listed.

About Kris playing on the bill with The Script. Not sure what you were talking yourself down from. I think you mean it bothered you that The Script were the headliners? Or just that Jive put them on the same bill? I guess I'm not sure.

Ha, reading back my reply, I'm not sure what I meant either. I clearly misread what you were saying. But I was initially worried about them playing on the same bill. I think that's what I was trying to say.

I don't have a problem with Kris opening for them. I guess. Even though, to a lot of people in the audience, he's more famous. He hasn't really paid his dues. I don't know how long The Script has been around.

That's where I ended up. I'm okay with it.

And then there's the question of how Jive will handle Kris touring. David Cook (RCA, I think) has his own tours, but Jordin is opening for the Jonas Bros. and Britney Spears. Not that that's a bad gig. But I hope Kris gets to headline his own tour.

I wouldn't mind Kris opening for someone else. It's a chance to gain new fans, I look at it that way.

ETA: Rickey burned his bridge with me. Not interested in whatever he's peddling. I'm also not tweeting bad things at him, just ignoring. He's just looking for blog traffic.

 

[missaddicted]

LOL! Talking about angsting... A poster named Scott on Cook's official website just posted a snarky post about the fans' expectations (people are wondering if David has any chance at getting Grammy nominations, not really angsting about it yet, just wondering):

I wouldn't hold my breath for anything Grammy. How quickly y'all forget last year, thinking by some chance that David would headline his own tour out of the gate! Like that was ever going to happen! Or that he could outsell Archie! Everyone knows Archie became the only big star from Season 7, mostly because he had his single, Crush, drop first! Many predicted THAT kiss of death. And his album came out first too! Some of you even expected David to actually be allowed to put a rock album out and to tour with musicians of his choice, even though everyone knows TPTB, the "evil ones," control everything and make people into something they're not.

Truth, folks, David has as good a chance as any to win a nom or two, and perhaps get a BNA win. The BNA field isn't hyper competitive this year. Let's just say he's in the running as a serious contender. Yes, manage expectations... but seriously, there's no logical reason that David's album isn't a contender, other than the fact that the Grammys often do not employ logic.

As for the AMAs, I'm banking on a few. The AMA's are all about the public voting for someome they love to win a trophy on TV. David has a track record here. Along with Dick Clark productions on his side.

Sometimes fans angst about some things that, in the end, probably didn't warrant any angsting about... this is why I'm not really angsty about most things anymore. Most things don't warrant the angst as things have a tendancy to work out in the end. I've learned my lesson!

 

[SleepinIn]

Okay, I understand. Unfortunately I don't think a lot of the rest of the world thinks like you. I wish it did. I don't think everyone ignores negative comments and crap-spreading. I guess I'm just beginning to think these trouble makers may actually be causing some trouble.

I'm sure it isn't helping, but at the same time I don't know how much trouble it's ultimately causing. I don't know - time will tell I guess.

 

[SleepinIn]

I refer you to this

YouTube - Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry Be Happy

It looks like Washington might add the song, they have it listed as a hot pick here.

http://allaccess.com/top40-mainstream/hot-picks

 

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I refer you to this

Okay, I get it. Haha.

I don't have any love for Rickey. I'm just surprised he's still giving out with the "poor Kris" stuff. I thought he might have learned something.

I keep thinking of Harry Truman when I think of Kris. I mean, for weeks now. Why do I think him? Well, He's my favorite president and I've read a lot about him. When he became president, when Roosevelt died, nobody ever was so underestimated, and most of the time he was president he was put down. He was a hick, He was a fool, he was this or that. I can't go into it all, but now he's regarded as one of the greatest presidents.

It's interesting how when there's an article about Adam or Danny there's not a single negative comment under those articles. Just glowing praise. That makes sense. Under articles about Kris, there is often a lot of hate. That doesn't make any sense. But maybe some day it'll become more clear. Or maybe it just doesn't matter.

 

[SleepinIn]

Under articles about Kris, there is often a lot of hate. That doesn't make any sense. But maybe some day it'll become more clear.

It's just the nature of the denied fan. I guess I've been through this before - with Rockstar especially. JD got a LOT of hate, people handing out flyers at concerts, it was madness. Just the general how dare he win vibe. JD had a more organized fanbase though, and the band's people behind him.

(ETA: The entire Rockstar thread was deleted at TWOP due to the fighting. They did start a new thread - but the old one was wiped)

I was sorry to see Krisallennation close up shop but it was inevitable since it was being run by his friends. They were organized though, which was good. Maybe they created a bit of a fanbase vaccum.

If it wasn't one thing it would be another to these people, they would find something to be negative about Kris.

 

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I was sorry to see Krisallennation close up shop but it was inevitable since it was being run by his friends. They were organized though, which was good. Maybe they created a bit of a fanbase vaccum.

Well, it's still there in a different form, of course.

Kris Allen Fan Community

The chatroom there still exists, at least. There's also a new site (at least I think it's new) called Plaid Republic.

PLAID REPUBLIC -- A KRIS ALLEN FAN SITE

You're right, though. There needs to be that one place that's totally positive for Kris fans to congregate and also to organize some of what needs to be organized, in fandom. Stuff I have nothing to do with, myself! If that's why you mentioned KrisAllenation, that is.

If you ask me, Jive should have hired those people -- those students -- and paid them a hefty salary to keep on promoting Kris, because they did it better than the "official" channels. It's also about the nature of who Kris Allen is. He's just not an "official fansite" type of guy. He's a KrisAllenation type. It suited him (and his fans) perfectly.

 

[missaddicted]

You're right, though. There needs to be that one place that's totally positive for Kris fans to congregate and also to organize some of what needs to be organized, in fandom.

Shouldn't that happen on his official forum? I mean, I know the format sucks, but still, Cook's forum has the same format and there's a pretty big community and it's really well organized: a thread for the fans that migrated from TWoP, a thread to analyse the sales/chart positions, threads to organize voting for this and that, threads for all the tour dates, with links to photos, reviews, interviews, videos, etc. The mod twitters every day to give the fans updates about everything.

ETA: ross, I don't understand why you say that Kris is not an "official forum" kind of guy. Why not? It doesn't really change anything, the fans can get organized there. The mod on DCO (David Cook Official) is a fan that volunteered to get the mod post and she seems to be doing a great job.