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When Simon made the comment that Adam could be a "international star" I thought of stuff like Boom Boom Pow, that's probably popular worldwide partly because it doesn't need to be translated. "Boom Boom Pow" means what? There a lot of this dumb dance music that goes to #1 worldwide. Maybe Simon heard Adam's dance tracks like "Pop Goes The Camera" and thinks he can be that type of star? *shudders*
I was never really a big Adam fan, and I wasn't a Danny or Lil fan (the three early TCOs), which is why I think I hopped on the Kris train so early. There were actually a lot of reasons, but one was that I was looking for an alternative to the three TPTB wanted me to like.
Off to work right now...
At work...
Guess I should explain what I meant, SleepinIn, if you didn't watch the early episodes. The Top 36 had three groups of 12, and each group featured one (maybe more, I forget) person who had been prominently shown earlier either in a backstory piece or in other ways. Each week, when a particular group of 12 performed, the one who seemed to be The Chosen One, based on previous positive airtime, got the pimp spot. I think it was Danny, Group 1, Adam, Group 2, Lil, group 3. (People like Tatiana got a lot of airtime as well, but it wasn't necessarily positive or to make them look like a star.)
All three of those people who got the most airtime prior to performing and who got the pimp spot ended up getting the highest number of votes in their group.
Not surprisingly.
So it seemed very manipulated. (And a few weeks later, when Simon was on Leno and predicted the Top 3 would be Danny, Lil, and Adam, it was not a shock.) In each group of 12, three people were chosen to advance based on gender as well as vote count. The way they were chosen was: highest vote getter of either gender, second highest male vote getter, and second highest female vote getter. So in group 2, for ex., Adam was the highest vote getter, Kris was the second highest male, Allison was the second highest female. There's no way to know who was the actual runner up to Adam, but suppose it was Kris and not many votes separated them, originally -- it's not that much of a shock he ended up winning.
Anyhow, I thought Kris was excellent in that round and I wasn't sold on Adam that much (even though I liked him and thought he was mega-talented as a singer), so I remember I voted one time for Adam, 11 times for Kris, and a couple of times for a girl who didn't make it. I forget who.
Guess I should explain what I meant, SleepinIn, if you didn't watch the early episodes. The Top 36 had three groups of 12, and each group featured one (maybe more, I forget) person who had been prominently shown earlier either in a backstory piece or in other ways. Each week, when a particular group of 12 performed, the one who seemed to be The Chosen One, based on previous positive airtime, got the pimp spot. I think it was Danny, Group 1, Adam, Group 2, Lil, group 3. (People like Tatiana got a lot of airtime as well, but it wasn't necessarily positive or to make them look like a star.)
All three of those people who got the most airtime prior to performing and who got the pimp spot ended up getting the highest number of votes in their group.
Not surprisingly.
So it seemed very manipulated. (And a few weeks later, when Simon was on Leno and predicted the Top 3 would be Danny, Lil, and Adam, it was not a shock.) In each group of 12, three people were chosen to advance based on gender as well as vote count. The way they were chosen was: highest vote getter of either gender, second highest male vote getter, and second highest female vote getter. So in group 2, for ex., Adam was the highest vote getter, Kris was the second highest male, Allison was the second highest female. There's no way to know who was the actual runner up to Adam, but suppose it was Kris and not many votes separated them, originally -- it's not that much of a shock he ended up winning.
Anyhow, I thought Kris was excellent in that round and I wasn't sold on Adam that much (even though I liked him and thought he was mega-talented as a singer), so I remember I voted one time for Adam, 11 times for Kris, and a couple of times for a girl who didn't make it. I forget who.
No, SleepinIn, you're not insane! Or if you are, then I am too. I thought Kris sounded awesome on Regis and Kelly. And they were also very complimentary of him. I think Kris changed some of the phrasing of the song (of course he did!) and it worked really well. And he was so smiley during the interview, that made me happy! Though he seemed to want to fall asleep during the song, the poor guy. He won't get to sleep for the next year!
Have you all seen the Idolatry videos for the finale? Slezak looked pretty good with pink hair, ha! Can't wait to see the interviews with Adam, Kris and Danny, starting tomorrow I believe.
Have you all seen the Idolatry videos for the finale? Slezak looked pretty good with pink hair, ha! Can't wait to see the interviews with Adam, Kris and Danny, starting tomorrow I believe.
SleepinIn...oops! Yeah, actually I re-read your post more carefully and saw my little error. But unlike TWoP you can't edit here after, like, an hour. So it had to stand. I think if you run out of sleeping pills you could always keep my post handy.
Kris was great on Regis and...not Kathy Lee, whatever her name is. Kelly Lee. Kelly. Something. Anyhow, I loved No Boundaries. I also saw Adam on some morning show this morning, and he sang Mad World. Not the best song at 8:30 in the morning. Also, I don't like waking up and seeing a man wearing makeup in my bedroom first thing in the morning. Even if it's Adam.
Preident Obama pre-empted both Regis and Ellen this morning so I had to hunt the stuff down elsewhere.
Did you guys see Kris interviewed by Ellen? I'm not sure this is the whole thing, but anyway it's awesome. Cool entrance, Kris.
Kris on Ellen
BTW, did either of you read any of that WhatNotToSing.com article? "Allen's Wrench?" I loved it.
Idolatry disappointed me a little bit. I mean, the stuff about the pimpage was cool, the hair was awesome, but way too much Allison. I know they guy loves Allison, but she was eliminated three weeks ago. Maybe it was just me but it didn't seem like he really felt there was a clear winner, and didn't want to focus on that. I guess I should give up hoping anyone will give Kris superlatives or raves, at this point. But nobody deserves them more.
Kris was great on Regis and...not Kathy Lee, whatever her name is. Kelly Lee. Kelly. Something. Anyhow, I loved No Boundaries. I also saw Adam on some morning show this morning, and he sang Mad World. Not the best song at 8:30 in the morning. Also, I don't like waking up and seeing a man wearing makeup in my bedroom first thing in the morning. Even if it's Adam.
Preident Obama pre-empted both Regis and Ellen this morning so I had to hunt the stuff down elsewhere.
Did you guys see Kris interviewed by Ellen? I'm not sure this is the whole thing, but anyway it's awesome. Cool entrance, Kris.
Kris on Ellen
BTW, did either of you read any of that WhatNotToSing.com article? "Allen's Wrench?" I loved it.
Idolatry disappointed me a little bit. I mean, the stuff about the pimpage was cool, the hair was awesome, but way too much Allison. I know they guy loves Allison, but she was eliminated three weeks ago. Maybe it was just me but it didn't seem like he really felt there was a clear winner, and didn't want to focus on that. I guess I should give up hoping anyone will give Kris superlatives or raves, at this point. But nobody deserves them more.
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I was just in the chat room at KrisAllenation. Kris has been signed to Jive records, in case you guys didn't know that (I didn't). Jive's current list of artists, including Kris. A lot of hip hop and r & b artists. I wasn't expecting that.
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No Boundaries in the Billboard Hot Adult Contemporary Top 40:
"Newly-crowned "American Idol" king Kris Allen soars onto the AC chart at No. 27, as "No Boundaries" (RMG) garners 94 plays since the song was serviced to radio immediately following the series' eighth season finale Wednesday (May 20)."
"Newly-crowned "American Idol" king Kris Allen soars onto the AC chart at No. 27, as "No Boundaries" (RMG) garners 94 plays since the song was serviced to radio immediately following the series' eighth season finale Wednesday (May 20)."
The Whatnottosing article was really good. I liked that one Ross. Thanks
This one just popped up from OK magazine - he seems to answer the twitter question (not a twitterer apparently)
OK! Magazine - First for Celebrity News - American Idol's Kris Allen Chows Down with OK!
They will be posting the interview online after they edit it a bit. I'm glad the single is selling, that might calm down the AT&T things - seriously - Kris's viewing parties alone cost Adam the vote.. ??? um, no. Calm down people. lol.
This one just popped up from OK magazine - he seems to answer the twitter question (not a twitterer apparently)
OK! Magazine - First for Celebrity News - American Idol's Kris Allen Chows Down with OK!
They will be posting the interview online after they edit it a bit. I'm glad the single is selling, that might calm down the AT&T things - seriously - Kris's viewing parties alone cost Adam the vote.. ??? um, no. Calm down people. lol.
Yeah, so much stuff today, but I don't really feel long-winded today for a change, so I'll (try to) keep it short.
AT&T: Over-blown and ridiculous. I'm glad AT&T and Idol came out and said it was bull.
WNTS: Yes, I read it, really interesting, thanks ross.
Jive: I read the rumor yesterday and I was also a bit surprised. I hope they give him the creative freedom that he needs/deserves. I thought he would have a good chance of having that at RCA. At this point, the only thing I want is that Adam and him are not signed to the same label, so if Adam goes to RCA, then I prefer if Kris goes to Jive, I guess.
Billboard: Good for Kris (both for the airplay and sales). MJ posted all the numbers. He sold a lot less than Cook last year though. Cook had sold close to 1 million downloads the first week and 100 000 more copies of the coronation song than Kris did. Cook had 11 songs on the Hot 100 (a record!) and Archie had 3. Now, Kris has 5 and Adam has 4 (which is great I'm not denying that!). The only difference is that this year, they're selling the iTunes Pass and the Season Favorites album (for Kris and Adam), so that might have made a difference for individual songs.
MJ posted an interesting interview, Kris on the Elvis Duran show. They still concentrated on Adam a lot, but Kris made a great comeback when he said "hearing about Adam all the time" kept him grounded. I'm sure he was semi-joking, but I wouldn't blame him at all if it bothered him a bit. Adam doesn't get asked about Kris all through his interviews! Also, did they really need to ask him if he thought that Adam is more talented than he is? What kind of question is that?
AT&T: Over-blown and ridiculous. I'm glad AT&T and Idol came out and said it was bull.
WNTS: Yes, I read it, really interesting, thanks ross.
Jive: I read the rumor yesterday and I was also a bit surprised. I hope they give him the creative freedom that he needs/deserves. I thought he would have a good chance of having that at RCA. At this point, the only thing I want is that Adam and him are not signed to the same label, so if Adam goes to RCA, then I prefer if Kris goes to Jive, I guess.
Billboard: Good for Kris (both for the airplay and sales). MJ posted all the numbers. He sold a lot less than Cook last year though. Cook had sold close to 1 million downloads the first week and 100 000 more copies of the coronation song than Kris did. Cook had 11 songs on the Hot 100 (a record!) and Archie had 3. Now, Kris has 5 and Adam has 4 (which is great I'm not denying that!). The only difference is that this year, they're selling the iTunes Pass and the Season Favorites album (for Kris and Adam), so that might have made a difference for individual songs.
MJ posted an interesting interview, Kris on the Elvis Duran show. They still concentrated on Adam a lot, but Kris made a great comeback when he said "hearing about Adam all the time" kept him grounded. I'm sure he was semi-joking, but I wouldn't blame him at all if it bothered him a bit. Adam doesn't get asked about Kris all through his interviews! Also, did they really need to ask him if he thought that Adam is more talented than he is? What kind of question is that?
"No, absolutely not. Twitter's the devil." LOL
You know who's pretty funny on twitter? Remember Alex Wagner-Trugman, from this season? I'm also following Anoop, and Matt, just to get some Idol news.
Hm, now this Wikipedia thing says Kris is on the RCA label. I know they're all related but this one doesn't list Archie, while Jive does. Confusing.
The AT&T thing has been refuted now by Idol and by AT&T. Kris's margin must have been "sufficient," to say the least. This is a good article about it. Kind of surprised by Adam's comments, though. When he says 'conservative," in reference to Kris and Danny, I just hear a veiled reference to "Christian." Or even "straight." There are a lot of things that make me uncomfortable about what he implies. Like, saying Kris got Danny's votes. That's only a theory, and it favors Adam (i. e., Kris needed Danny's votes to beat Adam). I also don't like Kris equated with Danny musically! Even slightly. To me he's more hip than Danny and Adam combined.
Well, bruised egos must find ways to cope, I guess.
I'm interested in reading the rest of that article when they put it up. Not as dry as some of their articles are.
I was in the chatroom at KrisAllenation tonight and there was a girl who went to college with Kris. She said she saw him on the show and was like, "I know that guy." She was in a couple of his classes. Also she saw him in concert, opening for a band. She said he was very shy and soft spoken, and kept blushing all night. And she thought he was "really REALLY cute." Just quoting, here. lol
Anyhow I asked her what he used to do for jobs, and she said he worked at Home Depot (as a "cart wrangler" -- I guess that's what they call a carriage collector in the southwest), and at a yogurt store. And he was in campus ministries, etc. It was interesting.
You know who's pretty funny on twitter? Remember Alex Wagner-Trugman, from this season? I'm also following Anoop, and Matt, just to get some Idol news.
Hm, now this Wikipedia thing says Kris is on the RCA label. I know they're all related but this one doesn't list Archie, while Jive does. Confusing.
The AT&T thing has been refuted now by Idol and by AT&T. Kris's margin must have been "sufficient," to say the least. This is a good article about it. Kind of surprised by Adam's comments, though. When he says 'conservative," in reference to Kris and Danny, I just hear a veiled reference to "Christian." Or even "straight." There are a lot of things that make me uncomfortable about what he implies. Like, saying Kris got Danny's votes. That's only a theory, and it favors Adam (i. e., Kris needed Danny's votes to beat Adam). I also don't like Kris equated with Danny musically! Even slightly. To me he's more hip than Danny and Adam combined.
Well, bruised egos must find ways to cope, I guess.
I'm interested in reading the rest of that article when they put it up. Not as dry as some of their articles are.
I was in the chatroom at KrisAllenation tonight and there was a girl who went to college with Kris. She said she saw him on the show and was like, "I know that guy." She was in a couple of his classes. Also she saw him in concert, opening for a band. She said he was very shy and soft spoken, and kept blushing all night. And she thought he was "really REALLY cute." Just quoting, here. lol
Anyhow I asked her what he used to do for jobs, and she said he worked at Home Depot (as a "cart wrangler" -- I guess that's what they call a carriage collector in the southwest), and at a yogurt store. And he was in campus ministries, etc. It was interesting.
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It is! The end of the world is upon us!
This may be simple to explain, actually. Those who follow the radio adds (which station adds which song to their playlist) mentionned that at first, Kris' NB was connected with RCA, but then on one of the websites, it changed to Jive. I guess the wikipedia information hasn't been changed yet.
I agree with you about Adam's answer about Danny's votes, ross. I guess he's trying to be rational, but yeah, they're no way Kris and Danny are related musically. I'm quite sure what Adam is thinking about is the "conservative" vote. Yeah, it's not really fair to him if people voted for reasons other than who was their favorite singer/musician, but I also don't like the way he talks about it. Like it's a sure thing and that it totally explains why he lost. He doesn't seem to have sour grapes at all, but I don't know why he keeps on insisting on that point.
Just read this from the OK interview that SleepinIn linked to:
So much WORD Kris! And that's why I would take you over Adam any day of the week. Or over "Boom Boom Pow".
So much WORD Kris! And that's why I would take you over Adam any day of the week. Or over "Boom Boom Pow".
I read some of this myself. I think it's impossible for them to figure out these stats with all the packages and ways things can be combined.
Please go back to my last post and read what I added, you guys, it's interesting and I think you'll like it.
I wasn't too impressed with the Jive artists. I don't think there's one I listen to. I was hoping for something that looked more impressive. There doesn't seem to be any deep music there, I don't see a lot of "artists." I don't see who would be at that label who would produce the music he hopes to do. I hope he doesn't have to do boyband pop like Archie.
I don't think it's sour grapes but he does have an ego. He has to rationalize the loss to himself. He's okay, but he isn't really as classy a guy as Kris, and he can't just say "I guess people just preferred him, he's a great artist." Or words like them there.
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Yes, exactly. I would like to hear him say that just once at least.
OK, here is an hilarious video interview from US Weekly with Kris and Adam.
That Chat sounds like it was pretty interesting Ross.
Missaddictted - Okay that is the cutest interview. I like how they laugh at each other. I need to follow them around for awhile.. wait, wait.. I have stuff to do. crap.
I liked Kris's response to the Kris vs. Adam question (Um, I think from the radio interview) where he said that he and Adam were really different and that Adam had a great voice and amazing stage presence but couldn't play a note on a musical instrument. They're just different. Kris is a pretty steady guy, he just does his thing. I'm sure the Adam questions bug him sometimes - he is human, but he just carry's on with his own thing.
I loved the question about the Ukelele in the other article - and I laughed when he said he played. It's typical. He's just as interesting as Adam, it's just quieter.
I wanna know the vote margin. Just cause.
Did you guys see this YouTube - Kris Allen Wins American Idol Season 8 from the Today show? (Kris isn't on it) but they talk about his win. It was interesting.
(laughed at Matt's comment about American Idol support groups.. thanks for being mine you guys, LMAO)
Missaddictted - Okay that is the cutest interview. I like how they laugh at each other. I need to follow them around for awhile.. wait, wait.. I have stuff to do. crap.
I liked Kris's response to the Kris vs. Adam question (Um, I think from the radio interview) where he said that he and Adam were really different and that Adam had a great voice and amazing stage presence but couldn't play a note on a musical instrument. They're just different. Kris is a pretty steady guy, he just does his thing. I'm sure the Adam questions bug him sometimes - he is human, but he just carry's on with his own thing.
I loved the question about the Ukelele in the other article - and I laughed when he said he played. It's typical. He's just as interesting as Adam, it's just quieter.
I wanna know the vote margin. Just cause.
Did you guys see this YouTube - Kris Allen Wins American Idol Season 8 from the Today show? (Kris isn't on it) but they talk about his win. It was interesting.
(laughed at Matt's comment about American Idol support groups.. thanks for being mine you guys, LMAO)
That was hilarious!
Adam, you want that Arkansas boy just a little bit, don't you? Admit it.
I've been reading the comments on mj's blog too much lately. Very Adam-oriented, over there. If they were commenting on that video, they'd say stuff like, "Isn't it sweet how Adam includes Kris in his conversation?" "I love how Adam keeps his comments simple so that Kris can understand them." Etc. I'm not even kidding. Completely serious. Like, when they were on Larry King? Someone actually wrote something like: "I think it's so nice the way Adam tones down his personality around Kris so he won't take the spotlight from him." (!) His fans are on some other planet. Some pink, floaty, Adam-induced cloud of weirdness.
Thanks for that video, I watched it three times already!
ETA: Going to watch yours, now, SleepinIn.
Yeah, that was great, too. Still, very little praise for Kris as a singer, as usual. At least they picked him to win based, it seemed, on his talent. He does have talent, doesn't he? Just checking. lol
Adam, you want that Arkansas boy just a little bit, don't you? Admit it.
I've been reading the comments on mj's blog too much lately. Very Adam-oriented, over there. If they were commenting on that video, they'd say stuff like, "Isn't it sweet how Adam includes Kris in his conversation?" "I love how Adam keeps his comments simple so that Kris can understand them." Etc. I'm not even kidding. Completely serious. Like, when they were on Larry King? Someone actually wrote something like: "I think it's so nice the way Adam tones down his personality around Kris so he won't take the spotlight from him." (!) His fans are on some other planet. Some pink, floaty, Adam-induced cloud of weirdness.
Thanks for that video, I watched it three times already!
ETA: Going to watch yours, now, SleepinIn.
Yeah, that was great, too. Still, very little praise for Kris as a singer, as usual. At least they picked him to win based, it seemed, on his talent. He does have talent, doesn't he? Just checking. lol
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Here's another one - it shows all the press around both of them (but actually it looked like there was more around Kris) I think they'll both be okay.. lol. Adam doesn't have anything online either.. all are posers according to him. (good to know)
GossipGander | VIDEO: Idols Hit NYC
GossipGander | VIDEO: Idols Hit NYC
And Kris on the TVguide Channel. (must. stop. googling.)
VIDEO: Idol Champ Kris Allen Shrugs Off Talk of Claiming the Christian Vote
Is Kris on Jimmy Fallon tonight? off to Google.. LMAO.
Apparently yes.. he sang Heartless.
VIDEO: Idol Champ Kris Allen Shrugs Off Talk of Claiming the Christian Vote
Is Kris on Jimmy Fallon tonight? off to Google.. LMAO.
Apparently yes.. he sang Heartless.