Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol
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That was a great comment from Jason M. "Fantastic." That's awesome.
I'm now cool with Kris saying what he says about Adam. (If he must. lol )... at least he says they both deserved it. It sounds generous, now, and that works for me. The winner giving the runner up props.
USA Today interview.
I'm not totally looking forward to Larry King. Maybe because I'm noticing (or imagining) that Kris does better outside the Idol stuff. I already see him as moving on and on his own.
I'm sort of gritting my teeth and looking at a few newspaper articles online, but even some of the most positive or well meaning don't really say what I want them to say: that Kris is an amazing talent and it should be no surprise to anyone that he won because he's fantastic. I know that will eventually happen. Just impatient.
I think the whole Idol team underestimated Kris's appeal (obviously - or they would have shown more of him) They didn't get it, and probably won't get it.
But, yeah.. Kris on Leno... he's was awesome. Really relaxed, funny and charming. And hey the dude can sing too.. bonus.
But, yeah.. Kris on Leno... he's was awesome. Really relaxed, funny and charming. And hey the dude can sing too.. bonus.
and I guess because I've been watching so much Idol (almost every year - although I've missed a few - and even then watched bits) I have these random songs from various people. Whenever I listen to Elena's I laugh at myself because her versions have lasted stood the test of time with me and she used to drive me crazy.
Elena's supposedly in High School Musical, onstage. I think she's playing a student, though I think she's old enough to be a teacher, now.
About your question...I usually am singing Mitch MacDonald's songs to myself. I mean, he had great taste in songs, and a few of them were by Canadian artists I never heard of. Ditto Drew and Mookie. Canadian Idol was very Canadian last season. I think that's cool. Maybe you guys were used to a lot of those songs and artists/bands, but they were new to me.
About your question...I usually am singing Mitch MacDonald's songs to myself. I mean, he had great taste in songs, and a few of them were by Canadian artists I never heard of. Ditto Drew and Mookie. Canadian Idol was very Canadian last season. I think that's cool. Maybe you guys were used to a lot of those songs and artists/bands, but they were new to me.
You know that's one reason that I love having Canadian Idol on the air. The music!! As much as I think I know Canadian music - for the most part Canadian artists don't make a whole lot of money or have a lot of press and it's a big country to schlep your gear around in especially in the winter time. God love their hardy little musical souls. It's a fantastic forum for any band or musician to have their music sang or played on Idol. It raises that artist's profile and provides them with an opportunity to widen their fan base.
IMHO any bump in sales is a good thing.
And I totally agree - Mitch had fantastic taste in music.
IMHO any bump in sales is a good thing.
And I totally agree - Mitch had fantastic taste in music.
It's observations like that that I love -- I never would have thought of that. Of course that's true.
I may be wrong (sort of just winging it, here) but I seem to notice about a lot of Canadian music a melodiousness or something where a lot of American pop seems to sound more flat or tuneless. Or am I crazy?
Yep, it's pretty much a big empty country. lol Lots of space between gigs.
I don't know -- It might just be more production going into the *big* singles coming out of America, where in Canada it might be less noticable - because there are fewer fingers in the pie. I don't know.. pure speculation on my side. ??
I don't know -- It might just be more production going into the *big* singles coming out of America, where in Canada it might be less noticable - because there are fewer fingers in the pie. I don't know.. pure speculation on my side. ??
Wow, I've been missing the action in here! You guys are prolific tonight.
Thanks ross for the USA Today interview. The question about the chest hair was so random! From the interview:
Fight for it, Kris! I want some of your songwriting on that album!
Larry King will probably be hilarious. The only time I've watched his show was last year when the top 10 was there and he was seriously the worst interviewer ever. The "kids" were almost laughing in his face. I think he even asked Jason if he smoked pot! Anyway, he'll probably have Kris first, then Adam will join, then the rest of the top 10. I don't have CNN so I'll have to wait until MJ uploads the videos.
I've tried not to read too much media about the "upset" since it does upset me a bit. I want to watch/read the interviews though! What makes me happy is that Kris is doing really good on iTunes, and Adam too. It lessens the importance of arguments like "Kris won because of anti-Adam votes" and things like that. No, people are indeed interested in his music.
MJ also posted a link that showed a picture of Kris on the set of the Ellen show where he had his guitar, so maybe we'll be treated to another song from Kris and not No Boundaries when his interview airs next Tuesday (though I have to admit that I've had the song stuck in my head all day). She also posted an adorable "Kradam" video of them hugging (and hugging once more, oh and hugging again) and seriously, these two prove that the fanwars are just stupid. Adam's attitude is really admirable and I would love if some of his fans could just take a cue from him.
Thanks ross for the USA Today interview. The question about the chest hair was so random! From the interview:
Fight for it, Kris! I want some of your songwriting on that album!
Larry King will probably be hilarious. The only time I've watched his show was last year when the top 10 was there and he was seriously the worst interviewer ever. The "kids" were almost laughing in his face. I think he even asked Jason if he smoked pot! Anyway, he'll probably have Kris first, then Adam will join, then the rest of the top 10. I don't have CNN so I'll have to wait until MJ uploads the videos.
I've tried not to read too much media about the "upset" since it does upset me a bit. I want to watch/read the interviews though! What makes me happy is that Kris is doing really good on iTunes, and Adam too. It lessens the importance of arguments like "Kris won because of anti-Adam votes" and things like that. No, people are indeed interested in his music.
MJ also posted a link that showed a picture of Kris on the set of the Ellen show where he had his guitar, so maybe we'll be treated to another song from Kris and not No Boundaries when his interview airs next Tuesday (though I have to admit that I've had the song stuck in my head all day). She also posted an adorable "Kradam" video of them hugging (and hugging once more, oh and hugging again) and seriously, these two prove that the fanwars are just stupid. Adam's attitude is really admirable and I would love if some of his fans could just take a cue from him.
Oh, I got something wrong apparently. Ryan will be hosting tonight with the top 10 on LKL. Phew!
I just turned on my laptop and it has an AOL homepage and up pops a picture of Kris, with the headline: "Idol Winner Still In Shock, Says Other Guy 'Deserved' To Take It."
Tonight Seacrest suggested Kris felt guilty about winning and Kris admitted it, saying to Adam, "You know I do."
This is ridiculous! He's really kind of robbing me of a feeling of triumph. There's nice, and then there's neurotic.
He always is. Never knows anything about the guests and does as little research as possible. missaddicted, I also watched that Top 10 show last year. I remember thinking: next year I'll really have to try watching AI.
Adam: "It doesn't matter who wins," "It's not about winning." That stuff sounds good when it comes from the winner, but the runner up should just say the best man won, I think.
Adam basically said he lost and Kris won because "Danny's votes went to Kris because they're similar performers." I disagree. That they're similar, and that that's what happened. If Kris had been eliminated in Top 3 instead of Danny, by that theory Kris's voters would have gone to Danny, and Danny would have beat Adam. I doubt very much Danny could have beat Adam.
Tonight Seacrest suggested Kris felt guilty about winning and Kris admitted it, saying to Adam, "You know I do."
This is ridiculous! He's really kind of robbing me of a feeling of triumph. There's nice, and then there's neurotic.
He always is. Never knows anything about the guests and does as little research as possible. missaddicted, I also watched that Top 10 show last year. I remember thinking: next year I'll really have to try watching AI.
Adam: "It doesn't matter who wins," "It's not about winning." That stuff sounds good when it comes from the winner, but the runner up should just say the best man won, I think.
Adam basically said he lost and Kris won because "Danny's votes went to Kris because they're similar performers." I disagree. That they're similar, and that that's what happened. If Kris had been eliminated in Top 3 instead of Danny, by that theory Kris's voters would have gone to Danny, and Danny would have beat Adam. I doubt very much Danny could have beat Adam.
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Yeah, I'm watching right now and the whole thing sucks. I thought both Adam and Kris looked uncomfortable, especially with the discussion of sexuality and Christian votes influencing the results. Ryan was so stiff also. He seemed to like Kris a great deal on the show, and now it seems like he's turned on him or something. I mean, he knows these guys now, he could've seemed more friendly. I guess he takes himself too seriously for that.
I'm sure Kris felt (feels?) guilty about Adam not winning, who could blame him. And maybe Adam would have felt guilty had he won. But bringing it up was just an horrible idea.
I didn't have a problem that much about Adam saying that winning didn't matter when he got to the top 2 (and I'm sure Kris felt the same), but yeah, after all the great things that Kris has said in the last few days, he could have at least said something more complimentary about Kris.
And Paula was as embarassing as ever, she couldn't even complete her sentences. MJ is probably loading the rest of the show with the top 10, I'll go check that out. Maybe Monday will be better since it's going to be questions from the public, but tonight, they seemed to really just want to address the ridiculous gossip.
It's really depressing for Kris to be put down like this. He won, live with it, TPTB. He doesn't have to feel guilty about it, he should just feel good about it! Well, I'm sure he still feels pretty good about it, but they're not making it an easy ride for him. The worst thing is, I don't understand why they're doing this. Did they brought up the fact that they're both selling tons of downloads on iTunes? (Maybe they did, I'm not finished watching.) Why try to bring them down when it appears that both can be popular and sell. Why can't they just ride the wave?
I'm sure Kris felt (feels?) guilty about Adam not winning, who could blame him. And maybe Adam would have felt guilty had he won. But bringing it up was just an horrible idea.
I didn't have a problem that much about Adam saying that winning didn't matter when he got to the top 2 (and I'm sure Kris felt the same), but yeah, after all the great things that Kris has said in the last few days, he could have at least said something more complimentary about Kris.
And Paula was as embarassing as ever, she couldn't even complete her sentences. MJ is probably loading the rest of the show with the top 10, I'll go check that out. Maybe Monday will be better since it's going to be questions from the public, but tonight, they seemed to really just want to address the ridiculous gossip.
It's really depressing for Kris to be put down like this. He won, live with it, TPTB. He doesn't have to feel guilty about it, he should just feel good about it! Well, I'm sure he still feels pretty good about it, but they're not making it an easy ride for him. The worst thing is, I don't understand why they're doing this. Did they brought up the fact that they're both selling tons of downloads on iTunes? (Maybe they did, I'm not finished watching.) Why try to bring them down when it appears that both can be popular and sell. Why can't they just ride the wave?
One thing I don't really understand though... why did Kris call Danny a jerk when Danny said that he had called him as the winner?
Not that Danny is not a jerk, but it just seemed weird coming from Kris!
Not that Danny is not a jerk, but it just seemed weird coming from Kris!
You guys are right. Ryan actually seemed pretty hostile and accusatory tonight - it was very odd. I found both Kris and Adam looked really uncomfortable when Ryan was asking them questions. When he showed the clips of the judges over the top praise for Adam against the mild praise for Kris and then said - how does this make you feel? I thought it made both of them feel like it would be a good idea to crawl under the table and disappear.
At this moment (and I'm not saying it won't look different tommorrow) it feels like Idol is pushing it's own agenda. And that makes me angry -- I almost feel like they won't be happy until both Adam and Kris are at each other's throats or something.
At this moment (and I'm not saying it won't look different tommorrow) it feels like Idol is pushing it's own agenda. And that makes me angry -- I almost feel like they won't be happy until both Adam and Kris are at each other's throats or something.
I'm glad you guys thought the same as me. I'm not sure if I can watch more of this torture on Monday.
I'm not sure, myself, but I took it as kind of chastising Danny for saying that aloud, because he (Kris) feels embarrassed and guilty he won, with Adam sitting right there. Kris seems to have a guilt complex!
LOL!!! I needed the laugh, thanks.
I'm not sure what the agenda is, but there has to be one, because things just don't have that "all's right with the world" feeling that usually happens when everything's over.
First I guess we have to remember who Ryan is working for. Not that he's being asked to push an agenda. But if his bosses (including Simon, who's apparently a producer) don't feel good about the outcome, and he knows what their agenda is, he has to walk a fine line and please them while appearing to the public as if they have no agenda. I mean, he makes millions, he's not going to piss anyone off who pays him.
I would say at this point a couple of things are going on. Kris (though no fault of his own) somehow won the show no matter what they threw at him, and that isn't supposed to happen. Has it ever happened? To that extent?
I know TPTB being against him makes no sense, that they should just go with who the public chose and make the most of it. But I think they find it scary. What if it happens again? I'd say quite seriously he's the enemy right now and they're in meetings to make sure they tighten the reins and make sure this never happens again. I'm sure they don't like losing that feeling of control. They pick the winners.
People don't hate Hollywood for nothing.
The other thing is, I seriously think Simon speaks for AI when he says he thinks Kris has a low chance for post-Idol success, and since the show and the record contracts are all 19E, the de-pimping will not end just because the show is over. Adam is the one they want to push, not Kris. Simon, too, because you can't tell me Simon has no stock in 19E or no post-Idol agenda.
Also, he (and TPTB) don't like to look so stupid. Simon is supposed to be intelligent, and a good judge of stars. I would say he is going to push Adam even harder now (and Kris even less) because he needs to show he's still got it. And the show cares more about Simon than it does about Kris. Kris is the Idol for a year, Simon is the star of the show. Any doubt who they want to please, who they need to stick around?
So they're still idiotically trying to de-pimp Kris and promote Adam. (And Kris is playing right into it with his guilt-tripping -- not that I can totally blame him, they've convinced him Adam is better). The whole thing is nuts.
I'm not sure, myself, but I took it as kind of chastising Danny for saying that aloud, because he (Kris) feels embarrassed and guilty he won, with Adam sitting right there. Kris seems to have a guilt complex!
LOL!!! I needed the laugh, thanks.
I'm not sure what the agenda is, but there has to be one, because things just don't have that "all's right with the world" feeling that usually happens when everything's over.
First I guess we have to remember who Ryan is working for. Not that he's being asked to push an agenda. But if his bosses (including Simon, who's apparently a producer) don't feel good about the outcome, and he knows what their agenda is, he has to walk a fine line and please them while appearing to the public as if they have no agenda. I mean, he makes millions, he's not going to piss anyone off who pays him.
I would say at this point a couple of things are going on. Kris (though no fault of his own) somehow won the show no matter what they threw at him, and that isn't supposed to happen. Has it ever happened? To that extent?
I know TPTB being against him makes no sense, that they should just go with who the public chose and make the most of it. But I think they find it scary. What if it happens again? I'd say quite seriously he's the enemy right now and they're in meetings to make sure they tighten the reins and make sure this never happens again. I'm sure they don't like losing that feeling of control. They pick the winners.
People don't hate Hollywood for nothing.
The other thing is, I seriously think Simon speaks for AI when he says he thinks Kris has a low chance for post-Idol success, and since the show and the record contracts are all 19E, the de-pimping will not end just because the show is over. Adam is the one they want to push, not Kris. Simon, too, because you can't tell me Simon has no stock in 19E or no post-Idol agenda.
Also, he (and TPTB) don't like to look so stupid. Simon is supposed to be intelligent, and a good judge of stars. I would say he is going to push Adam even harder now (and Kris even less) because he needs to show he's still got it. And the show cares more about Simon than it does about Kris. Kris is the Idol for a year, Simon is the star of the show. Any doubt who they want to please, who they need to stick around?
So they're still idiotically trying to de-pimp Kris and promote Adam. (And Kris is playing right into it with his guilt-tripping -- not that I can totally blame him, they've convinced him Adam is better). The whole thing is nuts.
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That was quite a rant, there. I mean, now that I've calmed down I still think I could believe most of it. I don't know. It's just a case of trying to make some sense of a bizarre situation.
I was talking to someone I know today (I mentioned him before) who's been watching the show for only a few weeks -- and he thought Kris was the winner of Top 2 night. "Oh, yeah, he was just better." Basically he felt he aced his first two songs and was better at the final song than Adam. "When he sang it I could understand it, anyhow." "So you're not surprised he won Idol?" I asked him. "No. But he seemed shocked!" "So you think you'd buy his album?" "I guess. I don't know. It's the kind of music I like, anyhow. Adam is a rock singer, that kind of music just isn't as popular." "So is that why you think he probably lost?" "Maybe. Well, and he's less likeable. They're both good, but I just don't think people listen to that kind of music, and anyway, you know, the tongue, and the high notes..."
I tend to think a lot of people felt this way. I mean, how many people who put in a few casual votes the other night even know Kris is a Christian or that Adam is gay, or care? Nobody really talks about the performances that night as being deciding factors, but why not? I wasn't sure Kris would win, but I was pretty sure there would be very few people who wouldn't love that version of Ain't No Sunshine. If people were undecided I'm sure that could have been a deciding factor.
I was talking to someone I know today (I mentioned him before) who's been watching the show for only a few weeks -- and he thought Kris was the winner of Top 2 night. "Oh, yeah, he was just better." Basically he felt he aced his first two songs and was better at the final song than Adam. "When he sang it I could understand it, anyhow." "So you're not surprised he won Idol?" I asked him. "No. But he seemed shocked!" "So you think you'd buy his album?" "I guess. I don't know. It's the kind of music I like, anyhow. Adam is a rock singer, that kind of music just isn't as popular." "So is that why you think he probably lost?" "Maybe. Well, and he's less likeable. They're both good, but I just don't think people listen to that kind of music, and anyway, you know, the tongue, and the high notes..."
I tend to think a lot of people felt this way. I mean, how many people who put in a few casual votes the other night even know Kris is a Christian or that Adam is gay, or care? Nobody really talks about the performances that night as being deciding factors, but why not? I wasn't sure Kris would win, but I was pretty sure there would be very few people who wouldn't love that version of Ain't No Sunshine. If people were undecided I'm sure that could have been a deciding factor.
Yeah, I'm calming down too. Aside from Idol and Ryan - Kris and Adam are apples and oranges you can like and appreciate both. I have all kinds of music on my ipod liking one doesn't mean you have to disregard the other.
My favourite comment from Kris on CNN -- do not go into the pit. Didn't we say the same thing? Come back to the stage Kris, do not get lost in the pit glad he learned that lesson early.
My favourite comment from Kris on CNN -- do not go into the pit. Didn't we say the same thing? Come back to the stage Kris, do not get lost in the pit glad he learned that lesson early.