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Maybe that's just not a song for 11:00 in the morning - because now, at 6:15 at night, it's...amazeballs. And that Sirk dude is one sick singer. And songwriter. Holy hell.
Listening to The Last Goodbye now. I like that it reminds me of the kind of anthemic (ha) music I used to like on the radio in the 80's ( I think it was the 80's, anyhow. Maybe the 90's?). It has that soaring, propulsive quality. Negative thing for me is that at first I was thinking they could have plugged Adam into this song, or someone else, so I didn't feel it was distinctively "David Cook." He has such an awesome voice, but I think a lot of people could sing this. Kind of like how I felt about Kris and The Truth. Good thing is: he co -wrote it (right?) and if it's a hit that will be a great plus. Anyhow, I liked it, probably would give it an A-.
Listening to The Last Goodbye now. I like that it reminds me of the kind of anthemic (ha) music I used to like on the radio in the 80's ( I think it was the 80's, anyhow. Maybe the 90's?). It has that soaring, propulsive quality. Negative thing for me is that at first I was thinking they could have plugged Adam into this song, or someone else, so I didn't feel it was distinctively "David Cook." He has such an awesome voice, but I think a lot of people could sing this. Kind of like how I felt about Kris and The Truth. Good thing is: he co -wrote it (right?) and if it's a hit that will be a great plus. Anyhow, I liked it, probably would give it an A-.
Yes, I agree about both the soaring, propulsive quality and the non-distinctivity (not a word, I know) of TLG. I do find it super generic. I would probably give it a B or a B-. I'm not disappointed per se, but I do hope that I do find something that I like better on the album. I'm listening to it right now (my first listen today actually, even though I received the link to download it from my album pre-order on DCO around noon). The more I listen to it, the less excited I am about it actually.
And yes, he did co-write with Ryan Tedder.
I'll have to listen to the Kris song again. I liked it okay, and thought it was fun at first listen (well, it made for a fun live performance!), but it didn't strike me as something I would want to listen to on repeat Kind of like TLG, ha!
Try this video - it's better, I think. (Someone linked to it on MJ's.) More of a close-up video of Kris - also the sound seems better (I can't listen to it now so I'm relying on my memory.)
YouTube - Shut That Door (new song!) - Sirk & The Dirty Minds - The Viper Room - 4/17/2011 - Kris Allen
Yes it does have a "generic rock song" quality. I guess that's what I meant by saying I could easily hear another singer doing it. I find it light for him, also. I know he can and should be versatile, not always sing the same kind of thing. But I think when strength is one of his best qualities, why not showcase that? Maybe now I would knock the grade down to a B or B+. lol
One thing was that an hour after I heard it I discovered I was humming it.
(How come the videos aren't embedded like they used to be?)
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I discovered the answer this week-end. When you post the "youtu.be" shortened link, it doesn't embed. You have to post the full youtube link.
Thanks for the link anyway! I'm listening to it right now, and I pretty much have the same reaction. It's SUPER fun to watch and listen to live (and I love the do-do-do-do part), but it's not something that I would be tempted to buy.
(Oh, and the negative point of having more of a close-up on Kris is that I kept getting distracted about Kris' too-long hair!!!)
Yes, I tend to have TLG stuck in my head as well, LOL. I guess that's a point in its favor, even though I hate getting a song stuck in my head!!
I noticed that about YouTube, before, actually - I forgot. Are they making it "youtu.be" so it can't be embedded? That was my thought. But why?
Oh, well - I do like STDAKTDO - a lot!! Unfortunately I can't listen to it a lot.
Kris's hair looks kind of cool, I think - but it looks thin when he stands in certain lights. It kind of makes him look like John-Boy Walton, a bit, though. But I also like it.
Oh, well - I do like STDAKTDO - a lot!! Unfortunately I can't listen to it a lot.
Kris's hair looks kind of cool, I think - but it looks thin when he stands in certain lights. It kind of makes him look like John-Boy Walton, a bit, though. But I also like it.
On the way home I was listening to Mix 104.1 and heard Adelle, and after the song the DJ said, "You know who does an awesome version of this song? David Cook. And we're going to be interviewing him in a few minutes." So I listened to the first part of the interview. It was broken up by songs between parts, so I only got to hear the beginning. He talked about his next tour (later in the summer) and said the first tour, he played 154 shows, this time he wants to do 300. Said he doesn't intend to turn down any offers. They talked about Fenway Park and how he's never been there, and the DJ told him that if he plays House Of Blues, it's not far from Fenway, and he would take Dave there.
Well, it's nice to hear some fairly new songs. Glad Idol has finally acknowledged that the present exists.
I missed some of the show. Just watched Stefano. I thought he would loosen up, but he's still stiff, to me. I don't really like his voice, it sounds like he's passing a stone, or something. I don't think it was great - but as usual, not bad.
Casey in his Lee-like way is never really on key, which bothers my ears. James was better than usual. Haley didn't impress me. I missed all but the last notes of Scotty's performance - not sure what he sang. Jacob was boring. Now about to watch Lauren.
You guys, write recaps, I can't. Not in the mood. Didn't really watch wholeheartedly - I was busy.
Well, it's nice to hear some fairly new songs. Glad Idol has finally acknowledged that the present exists.
I missed some of the show. Just watched Stefano. I thought he would loosen up, but he's still stiff, to me. I don't really like his voice, it sounds like he's passing a stone, or something. I don't think it was great - but as usual, not bad.
Casey in his Lee-like way is never really on key, which bothers my ears. James was better than usual. Haley didn't impress me. I missed all but the last notes of Scotty's performance - not sure what he sang. Jacob was boring. Now about to watch Lauren.
You guys, write recaps, I can't. Not in the mood. Didn't really watch wholeheartedly - I was busy.
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So Uh, I didn't miss the voted out one bit... no need to bring them back. Even Pia or Paul.. I almost wanted Naima back then talked myself out of it when I remembered she never sang in tune.
Scotty seriously, that mic is annoying. Hold. It. Straight. The judges gave him some valid criticism. Go judges. They were right, of all the songs why did he choose that one? It didn't make any sense and came off really cheesy.
James James has a cane...and sings Muse....lmao. Yeah that doesn't help the comparisons to Adam... James. Not at all.
Drummers... Lol Well, James is going down swinging anyway. He's got a drumline. I thought he started pretty flat but actually did pretty well in the end. It's Muse. I like Muse. So he's got good taste in music. Judges pretty much fall at his feet.
Haley - Rollin in the deep I was really, really scared about this one. (LOVE this song) First of all it's the number one song in a whole lot of the world at the moment. This might be too current. She actually did a good job though, not Adele good. But it had inflections of Haley and I really liked it.
So...Jacob's a diva...who knew? I thought it was his best so far. Restrained but...maybe too much like Luthor? So maybe a bit karaoke
Randy...what the hell are you telling him???????? NOOOOOO. Don't tell him to go crazy.. Restrained is good.
Casey
Singing? Speaking? Well I didn't love this, but that might be directly proportional to the judges over love for it. I wanna love Casey again and I find it hard when the judges say he's the most amazing thing since sliced bread.
Stefano
Stefano is like a predatory David Archuleta to me. All of the cute with none of the charm.
Time to go? I think so. Stalker.
Lauren Lauren wasn't that annoying when talking to Jimmy, she seemed young and vulnerable.. curse you show. I thought it was pretty good while also being something that I'd never listen to.
Anyone want to not vote for Stefano with me? I'm ready for him to leave.
P.S. I liked David Cook's cover of Rollin in the Deep better than Haley's but Haley's was pretty good.
Scotty seriously, that mic is annoying. Hold. It. Straight. The judges gave him some valid criticism. Go judges. They were right, of all the songs why did he choose that one? It didn't make any sense and came off really cheesy.
James James has a cane...and sings Muse....lmao. Yeah that doesn't help the comparisons to Adam... James. Not at all.
Drummers... Lol Well, James is going down swinging anyway. He's got a drumline. I thought he started pretty flat but actually did pretty well in the end. It's Muse. I like Muse. So he's got good taste in music. Judges pretty much fall at his feet.
Haley - Rollin in the deep I was really, really scared about this one. (LOVE this song) First of all it's the number one song in a whole lot of the world at the moment. This might be too current. She actually did a good job though, not Adele good. But it had inflections of Haley and I really liked it.
So...Jacob's a diva...who knew? I thought it was his best so far. Restrained but...maybe too much like Luthor? So maybe a bit karaoke
Randy...what the hell are you telling him???????? NOOOOOO. Don't tell him to go crazy.. Restrained is good.
Casey
Singing? Speaking? Well I didn't love this, but that might be directly proportional to the judges over love for it. I wanna love Casey again and I find it hard when the judges say he's the most amazing thing since sliced bread.
Stefano
Stefano is like a predatory David Archuleta to me. All of the cute with none of the charm.
Time to go? I think so. Stalker.
Lauren Lauren wasn't that annoying when talking to Jimmy, she seemed young and vulnerable.. curse you show. I thought it was pretty good while also being something that I'd never listen to.
Anyone want to not vote for Stefano with me? I'm ready for him to leave.
P.S. I liked David Cook's cover of Rollin in the Deep better than Haley's but Haley's was pretty good.
Stefano gets no big production, does he? Does he get backup singers? Never mind drummers. He always seems alone out there. Listen, I'm not crazy about him but I have some comments. The backing tracks, and the producers trying to prove what kind of an r&b sensation he could be on the radio, has ruined him as an Idol contestant. Has he ever figured out how to make the audience come to him? It's TV. He's like a medicre recording artist trying to reproduce his recorded sound, live - like, at the Kiss concert. Only, he has no recorded sound to reproduce. It's backwards. That's the only way I can put it.
Oh, yeah - he plays piano.
Supposedly, when people tweeted him urging him to play it, he said he would only break out the piano for his own music. Or so I read on MJ's. (You know how peeps on there can run with some remark someone makes, and be so down on the person - so I don't even know the spirit it was said it in, originally).
But yeah, he should have played it, done something with an intimate arrangement. The disco track is cheesy. I feel if you need a backing track to reproduce your recorded sound, okay. But on this show, you should sing something that doesn't sound like an overproduced record. You should prove how good you are as a live artist - showcase your voice. Not the overdone arrangement.
Supposedly, when people tweeted him urging him to play it, he said he would only break out the piano for his own music. Or so I read on MJ's. (You know how peeps on there can run with some remark someone makes, and be so down on the person - so I don't even know the spirit it was said it in, originally).
But yeah, he should have played it, done something with an intimate arrangement. The disco track is cheesy. I feel if you need a backing track to reproduce your recorded sound, okay. But on this show, you should sing something that doesn't sound like an overproduced record. You should prove how good you are as a live artist - showcase your voice. Not the overdone arrangement.
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Poor Paul felt so out of place on that Pink song, LOL.
It was great hearing some more recent music on Idol. Finally!
Scotty: Change it up Scotty, I'm bored. Finally, the judges gave him some constructive criticism. I wonder if he'll listen though.
James: Of course, James would do Muse! I already thought Adam sounded exactly like Matt Bellamy, now James sounds like Adam who sounds like Matt Bellamy. That e-mail thing was weird BTW. Bellamy himself challenged James to do his own song?
Anyway, I still enjoyed it and I thought he sounded good.
Haley: I cringed when I heard she was singing the Adele song (I ADORE that song). Big shoes to fill. I thought she seemed a bit scared right there on the stage, but I liked it a lot. Especially starting with the second verse. It sounded like the first verse she wanted to copy Adele, but then during the second verse, she put more of her own twist on it.
So, I did like her performance, but yeah, I also prefer David's version of the song. A male voice also makes it harder to directly compare to Adele's incredible voice.
Jacob:
I can't believe that when Randy finally decides to critique him, that's what he tells him. His performance this week didn't bug me as much as usual... until he got to that high part. I can't stand when he does that.
Casey: I wasn't crazy about it either, and I could hear Slezak complaining once again (and rightly so) about his crazy faces. Still, I appreciate his unpredictability. Pretty much all the others did what I expected them to do tonight, but I couldn't have guessed what Casey would do.
Stefano: I actually enjoyed it a bit. He might have tried a bit too hard though. If a guy was trying to seduce me like that, I would be like "no thanks, you're creepy".
Lauren: I do enjoy the character in her voice, like JLo said, but yeah, I'm not her target audience and won't be buying her music after Idol.
Sorry, I'll be busy here not voting for Jacob. I've been ready for Jacob to leave like... seven weeks ago.
It was great hearing some more recent music on Idol. Finally!
Scotty: Change it up Scotty, I'm bored. Finally, the judges gave him some constructive criticism. I wonder if he'll listen though.
James: Of course, James would do Muse! I already thought Adam sounded exactly like Matt Bellamy, now James sounds like Adam who sounds like Matt Bellamy. That e-mail thing was weird BTW. Bellamy himself challenged James to do his own song?
Anyway, I still enjoyed it and I thought he sounded good.
Haley: I cringed when I heard she was singing the Adele song (I ADORE that song). Big shoes to fill. I thought she seemed a bit scared right there on the stage, but I liked it a lot. Especially starting with the second verse. It sounded like the first verse she wanted to copy Adele, but then during the second verse, she put more of her own twist on it.
So, I did like her performance, but yeah, I also prefer David's version of the song. A male voice also makes it harder to directly compare to Adele's incredible voice.
Jacob:
I can't believe that when Randy finally decides to critique him, that's what he tells him. His performance this week didn't bug me as much as usual... until he got to that high part. I can't stand when he does that.
Casey: I wasn't crazy about it either, and I could hear Slezak complaining once again (and rightly so) about his crazy faces. Still, I appreciate his unpredictability. Pretty much all the others did what I expected them to do tonight, but I couldn't have guessed what Casey would do.
Stefano: I actually enjoyed it a bit. He might have tried a bit too hard though. If a guy was trying to seduce me like that, I would be like "no thanks, you're creepy".
Lauren: I do enjoy the character in her voice, like JLo said, but yeah, I'm not her target audience and won't be buying her music after Idol.
Sorry, I'll be busy here not voting for Jacob. I've been ready for Jacob to leave like... seven weeks ago.
So that tells me that he doesn't pick up songs quickly. Which is fine. But he should be able to rearrange his own performance. Steal James's drum line... lol
Fair enough.. I'll not vote 1000 times for Stefano and you can not vote 1000 times for Jacob. May the strong survive.
Actually either one. I'm over them both. That's very true. Casey will go to the left when you expect him to go right and as one of the few doing that.. it makes an impression.
Oh, yes he did. And he broke out that damn suit again. Doesn't he own any jeans? Guess he had to get his money's worth after paying so much for that thing.
Yes. Also Mark Ballas in the audience. Like hit me over the head with Pia why don't you?
Seriously, I suffer from Pia overdose. Enough.
I think they had time to kill on the show though, so maybe that's why they brought back the eliminated contestants. I barely recognized Ashton BTW, it seems like forever ago that she was on that show!
I think they had time to kill on the show though, so maybe that's why they brought back the eliminated contestants. I barely recognized Ashton BTW, it seems like forever ago that she was on that show!
Yeah, that's a really good point. MJ's fans were all, "I'm so done with him! What an arrogant bastard." It may be he doesn't pick up songs quickly - it also may have just been a case of making an excuse because he can't play all that well.
On the news, the anchors are talking to the "Idol guy" about the idea that the judges should be able to vote - or whatever the notion is - so that a girl can win. The guy says, "That's because these boring, generic guys keep winning. A girl hasn't won since Jordin Sparks."
I guess this is all a matter of taste. Yeah, Jordin is not a guy. But is she fascinating or original? Give me the last three guys - yeah, even Lee - over her. She can sing, but I don't care. I don't need more Jordins. One is good.
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Did you guys read this? Cale tweeted it earlier: Whiskey Tones: A Southern Ungirl is Bitchslapped by her own Roots. City Lover
Yeah, I did see that. It's pretty cool. She explained her mindset pretty well - though I don't relate to it, I can get what she means.
I'm too sleepy to read it again but I think my idea of Kris, and hers, aren't all that similar. Also, things she seems to find negative - Jason Mraz - I don't. But it's very cool he impressed her the way he did. Also she thought he was legit, which is actually the main thing I agree wholeheartedly with her about.
It's awesome when people see Kris live and are impressed enough to write something like that - plus I think she took a lot away from it, personally - like, he made her rethink her values or priorities. I don't know how he does it. lol.
Interview with Jeff Fenster - who left Jive for WB. The intro mentions Jordin and Kris - and LLWD - Fenster also mentions it in the interview -as well as how he found it (related to hearing WAOMF). I don't know how his leaving will affect Kris - I also wonder if his impending departure had something to do with problems with recent singles of Kris and Archie - like, nobody looking after their best interests. Interestingly (for me), he worked for the entertainment law firm of Mitchell Silberberg and Krupp, in L.A., which one of my college friends worked for, also.
Jeff Fenster Interview - SongwriterUniverse
I'm too sleepy to read it again but I think my idea of Kris, and hers, aren't all that similar. Also, things she seems to find negative - Jason Mraz - I don't. But it's very cool he impressed her the way he did. Also she thought he was legit, which is actually the main thing I agree wholeheartedly with her about.
It's awesome when people see Kris live and are impressed enough to write something like that - plus I think she took a lot away from it, personally - like, he made her rethink her values or priorities. I don't know how he does it. lol.
Interview with Jeff Fenster - who left Jive for WB. The intro mentions Jordin and Kris - and LLWD - Fenster also mentions it in the interview -as well as how he found it (related to hearing WAOMF). I don't know how his leaving will affect Kris - I also wonder if his impending departure had something to do with problems with recent singles of Kris and Archie - like, nobody looking after their best interests. Interestingly (for me), he worked for the entertainment law firm of Mitchell Silberberg and Krupp, in L.A., which one of my college friends worked for, also.
Jeff Fenster Interview - SongwriterUniverse
I don't have a high opinion at all of Jeff Fenster. I think I've talked about him before on here, but it's because of him that Hanson decided to break their major label record contract. We could hear him talk with Hanson on the phone in their movie "Strong Enough to Break" (which documented that separation from their label) and it was clear that the only interests he had at heart were his own.
I thought you had mentioned him - I forgot the context. I didn't see that movie so I can't have any opinion - I'm sure I'd probably agree with you if I saw the movie.
I realize he's being self-serving in his interview by giving himself credit for finding LLWD for Kris, and in choosing songs for other artists. But he deserves credit for it - plus I thought it was interesting how finding WAOMF led to finding LLWD.
Also I was curious because, when things happen at a label, sometimes it affects the artists. If Kris's A&R guy was leaving or if there was some internal conflict, how did this affect the rollout of Kris's second single? Or third? It shouldn't have been so hard to profit from the success of LLWD, a hit in four formats, by an Idol winner. Yet they really messed up single number 2 - and we all know the ways. So it made me curious whether this guy leaving could be tied to that. Or maybe his staying too long. I don't know, just speculating.
I remember an interview I read with Blake Lewis about how a big shake-up at Arista had to do with their dropping him. It always makes me think about how things at the label affect artists. MJ posted, in reply to one of her posters, at the time (in reply to posters saying he was dropped for his behavior):
Anyhow, I don't care about Blake, but just making a point about shake-ups. I often wonder if things that seem irrational or insensible, about how careers are handled, are less about people "not doing their jobs" or "bad management" and more about personnel shifts, internal conflict, passive agressiveness, things being in flux, or just people moving on.
- from EW.com
A post on MJ's blog:
I wish he just shut up, too.
I realize he's being self-serving in his interview by giving himself credit for finding LLWD for Kris, and in choosing songs for other artists. But he deserves credit for it - plus I thought it was interesting how finding WAOMF led to finding LLWD.
Also I was curious because, when things happen at a label, sometimes it affects the artists. If Kris's A&R guy was leaving or if there was some internal conflict, how did this affect the rollout of Kris's second single? Or third? It shouldn't have been so hard to profit from the success of LLWD, a hit in four formats, by an Idol winner. Yet they really messed up single number 2 - and we all know the ways. So it made me curious whether this guy leaving could be tied to that. Or maybe his staying too long. I don't know, just speculating.
I remember an interview I read with Blake Lewis about how a big shake-up at Arista had to do with their dropping him. It always makes me think about how things at the label affect artists. MJ posted, in reply to one of her posters, at the time (in reply to posters saying he was dropped for his behavior):
Anyhow, I don't care about Blake, but just making a point about shake-ups. I often wonder if things that seem irrational or insensible, about how careers are handled, are less about people "not doing their jobs" or "bad management" and more about personnel shifts, internal conflict, passive agressiveness, things being in flux, or just people moving on.
- from EW.com
A post on MJ's blog:
I wish he just shut up, too.
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