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I don't believe you can win AI (or be the runner up) on casual votes, I think you need people who voted like I did. How else would you get in the tens of millions of votes? If people are not committed to someone, they just wouldn't care enough to vote.
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Oh, I think for sure that Kris has fans, I think it's really the nature of the fans that's different. Kris IMHO got a lot of votes from the end of the season viewers who on the whole aren't as active on the fansites (hee! In my theory anyway). I couldn't count the number of people I saw mention Heartless randomly. He impressed the hell out of them. Plus I think he also had the heavy voting fans - he had a really active fan site during the show in Kris Allen Nation which I think helped him a lot. But then that closed up shop which might have created a vacuumn.

And I think in a lot of cases because his profile is so low (like you said above) they really don't know too much about his album. This is only a vague theory mind you and there are a lot of factors but I do think this is one of them.

I think 19 probably noticed that yes the traffic on Adam's official site is way higher than Kris's. When they posted numers on the site, Adam ususally had a about a 1000 people and Kris had maybe 50-60. Kris's fans tend to not obsess too much (in general) on the colour of his shirt or if he had his hair up or down, or if he said baby or woman, so yes, I think that was a factor. :)

Then there's just Adam's natural flair for drama, and his "story" which attracted magazine covers, and interviews like bees to honey. While Kris's natural tendency is to lie low and be more than happy to do so.

Why did I write so much??? Arrrgh.
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LOL! Me too.
 
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Well, I guess we can look at this season as a model. Here we are at Top 4, and not a surprising Top 4, just like last year's was not surprising. Any of these four could possibly win. Same thing with last year, though I doubted Allison had a chance.

The thing about last year was that people who liked someone other than Kris (I mean, on the boards, which was a lot of people) ignored him. These people just assumed he wasn't going to be the winner. The show helped them ignore him. But if these online know-it-alls had just paid a little attention to the show they'd have seen there were three clear front runners who were never in the bottom three (up till Top 4).

I think Heartless was brilliant strategy for various reasons, but I don't think Kris was necessarily in third place up till then, and suddenly became a contender. This is the commom wisdom, but we have no way of knowing. Maybe he was the front runner. If you remember, this was the time they started getting vague about who was getting the most or least votes. I always thought, if Adam or Danny were getting the most votes, and Kris the least, they wouldn't be obscuring those results. (Remember when "only 100,000 votes separated" Kris and Adam? But who got those 100,000 votes? They never said who. If Adam was ahead, would they really have failed to tell us that?)

They also didn't say the percentages at the finale. Why? What were they trying to spin? If the finale vote was close, they would have said that, too, if they really wanted to make Adam look as good as possible -- and also to emphasize how dramatic it was. I can only conclude it must have been a Kris landslide. I mean, I have no way of knowing that, but it's the conclusion one would tend to draw.
 
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Opening for Kris on a few dates: Green River Ordinance.
Bassist Geoff Ice and guitarist Jamey Ice are brothers. Early in their career (circa 2003), the band regularly did opening gigs with Flickerstick in Texas, and by 2005 had toured with Collective Soul and played with Eisley and MUTEMATH, among others.nThe band's initial releases, a 2005 full-length and a 2007 EP, were both released on the small independent label For Mona. Their debut release for Virgin Records, Out of My Hands, was released in February 2009, and garnered comparisons to 1990s mainstream rock acts such as Sister Hazel, Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20, as well as contemporaries like Augustana and The Fray. Out of My Hands peaked at #10 on the Billboard Heatseekers chart. The single "Come On" reached #17 on the BillboardAdult Top 40 late in 2009.
 
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Yeah, GRO opened for Cook for a pretty large part of his tour as well. They seem like really cool guys and they all played all kinds of tricks on David+Band and vice versa. They're probably my least favorite of all the bands (well, all 5 of them) who opened for Cook though. I love both Ryan Star and Crash Kings, but I find GRO rather boring. A lot of Cook fans love them though.
 
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They also didn't say the percentages at the finale. Why? What were they trying to spin? If the finale vote was close, they would have said that, too, if they really wanted to make Adam look as good as possible -- and also to emphasize how dramatic it was. I can only conclude it must have been a Kris landslide. I mean, I have no way of knowing that, but it's the conclusion one would tend to draw.
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That's the conclusion I draw too. If the vote had been close they would have said that. Plus didn't Billy Bush say just after the finale that it wasn't close at all? After he said that, no one ever said he was wrong. (not that that makes him right.. but you know I support your theory) :)

Plus you know chick-fil-a.. AT&T... t-shirt sales.. how could he lose?

(listening to the Beatles -- I've never heard this piggies song before.. clearly a masterpiece. LMAO.. they can't all be winners)

I don't really know any GRO music.
 
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The Truth 2.0 is available on iTunes now...

I don't even feel like buying it honestly.

At least it got an add in NYC today, other than that, it wasn't an amazing day for adds, though it wasn't terrible either.
 
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I bought it! YAY! :) I love the song (not the bridge as much) but the song itself I love.

The adds weren't bad really. 7 isn't too bad, and NY was excellent, so that makes 17 adds altogether. One unmonitored.

But you shouldn't have to buy it. I'm a big supporter of buying only what you like.

(that was the smoothest itunes sale for Kris to date -- every other itunes sale was a disaster.. it's labeled, it's got a picture.. it's on time.. okay it's not AWM.. but aside from that it all worked. When they release AWM it's gonna be clockwork baby!)
 
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Yeah, I'm conflicted. I want to support Kris in any way I can, but then I thought that I didn't feel that much obligation towards him. I already one version of the song, one that I barely listen to. I don't really need one I won't even listen to.
 
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The picture's pretty tho..

lol! (just kidding) :) You don't like the song, don't buy it. Simple as that.
 
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(listening to the Beatles -- I've never heard this piggies song before.. clearly a masterpiece. LMAO.. they can't all be winners)
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I used to listen to the White Album a lot so I know it. (Later I read Helter Skelter and found out that was one of the songs associated with the Manson murders. I can't listen to it without thinking of that.) Why are you listening to that, anyway?

At least it got an add in NYC today, other than that, it wasn't an amazing day for adds, though it wasn't terrible either.
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So how many adds were there? (ETA: I see you answered that.) So, can you tell how many stations are just playing it, aside from actual adds?
 
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I used to listen to the White Album a lot so I know it. (Later I read Helter Skelter and found out that was one of the songs associated with the Manson murders. I can't listen to it without thinking of that.) Why are you listening to that, anyway?
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I bought the remastered Cd. I have a lot of the other songs on other compilations but we never had the actual white album. Although we had a few of the other actual albums, I think my dad had a Beatles album on reel to reel tape, LMAO. Anyway.. I see why piggies has never been covered on Idol. :p
 
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I'm pretty sure what you're linking to on Mediabase SleepinIn, but your links are not working for me. I get on a Mediabase page, but not the one for The Truth.

ETA: Nevermind, seems to work now.
 
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I think in the back of my mind I was always preparing for The Truth to be the next single ever since Kris's mom said it was her favorite (maybe she already knew it would be the next one). I've already said what I don't like about it. I'm on record. lol. But overall it's a solid pop song, a good love song, it's a good showcase for Kris's emotive singing mode, and it fits into the duet gimmick of the moment, which I don't think is such a bad idea. Plus Pat Monahan is all over the radio and what's wrong with getting the endorsement of having the songwriter sing on your recording of his song? It tends to nullify all arguments about covering someone else's material. Plus, it's not like it was ever Kris's own song, so I'm not feeling very posessive about the original.
 
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Wonder why we haven't heard anything about a video? Guess he can't do it without Pat Manahan. But I hope he does one.

You're good for finding redeeming things about it ross. I'm so not there yet
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I was never a fan of it, but it's grown on me. The main thing, though, is that it's a done deal. So I hope I was totally wrong and it becomes a big hit. It's a bigger issue than whether I like a song. I'm probably not going to like everything Kris does, but overall I believe in him as an artist. For some reason I think this song is going to be big. His future career depends on him succeeding now, so I think that's the more important concern at the moment.
 
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I don't have a lot of time right now, but my issue with the song goes beyond the fact that I don't like it. It's like a symbol of something bigger, like I tried to explain last week. Mainly, it's a symbol of Jive's mistrust of Kris. It's like I keep being disappointed (if I count what they chose to do with David's singles, it adds up to a whole lot of stuff I can't get behind).

So, yeah, as much as I like Kris, I don't think I'll ever be able to get behind that song.
 
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I understand your issue with the song, missaddicted. I guess I don't necessarily feel the same way about it, even if I agree with you. In the corporate music scene, it might also be necessary for the artist to trust the label. Since the artist is in the business of creating, and the label is in the business of marketing the creation.

I don't think it takes something away from Kris for The Truth to be released. It's a song on his album and he supposedly likes it. He didn't write it but it's not, to me, widely different from his own songs or his style, and he does make it his own.

The thing is, like people have said, for Idol albums, the label probably makes deals with songwriters and contractually guarantees that their songs will be released first as singles. There may be less choice involved than we think.

So Jive probably didn't trust Kris, as a newcomer, to write hit songs, and may have bought several songs with this proviso included. Just guessing, here.

Here's what I think, really. By now Jive knows Kris is a good songwriter with a lot of potential in writing hits. They can't be blind and deaf. So eventually Kris and Jive will agree to release his material. Probably as his next single (and I think he'll have one). So before I get upset about it I'm gonna try to be patient. If The Truth ends up being a debacle, I'll be pissed. But I'm going to assume it's not. I'll let Jive have this one. Then I want something by Kris next.
 
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It's not only the fact that he didn't write it. I was so not surprised that they chose that song as single, it was written on the CD label after all. It's that Kris wouldn't have chosen to put Pat's voice on the song, that it was the label's decision. He clearly said so to Slezak. Kris said that he wouldn't have thought natural to do so. Pat is still only the dude from Train after all. I mean, they had what, two hits in their career? Most people don't know who that guy is. I hate that Kris had to compromise for that. And it's about my problem that labels don't really seem to respect the artist's integrity anymore. Anyway, I won't start on that again.

I'm cautiously optimistic about a third single. But I've had disappointments in that department before as well, so I'm not getting my hopes up this time around.

I'm crossing fingers and toes that David's next album is made of songs he had a hand in writing. ALL the songs. Then they won't have the choice to release one of those songs. Thinking that his first co-written song that will make an appearance on radio (hopefully) is the song he wrote with Kara that they gave to Frankie Negron is bit puzzling.

I won't be able to live blog Idol with you guys tonight, I'll try to give my comments later on.
 
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