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Talked to a friend for an hour, so just finished watching the results.

I'm 95% sure the group numbers were lipsynched. You could distinctivly hear Lee's voice at one point and you could see that he was just giggling in his mic. I was ashamed that they had to lipsynch Harry's songs right in front of him.

Slezak will be happy. He was the only one of the Idol experts to predict that Aaron would go home. I guess it just shows once again that it's better to be awful than to be boring. And Casey received harsh comments, which probably helped him.

I didn't think Slezak was projecting his own perceptions. A lot of Kris fans had the same questions exactly that he asked him today. I'm happy that he asked Kris about all of this. I wouldn't want negative buzz to kill TT's chances either, but I still don't like the song, I don't like how the label decided they would add Pat on the song, I don't like how they don't seem to trust Kris, etc, etc. I don't think there's any way I'll ever change my mind about the whole thing. So yeah, maybe I'm negative, but I can't lie and say I'm excited about it, because I'm not.

Is it wrong that I would pay for a Harry Connick Jr comedy show, but not for a music show? Fast forwarded most of his performance (OMG weird faces!).... and I didn't even fast forward through Lady Gaga, so you know, something's wrong.

Also, I'm glad that they had the time for filler tonight, because I'd love if we had more of this behind the scenes stuff.

Next week, a recycled theme and a recycled mentor. But I like the theme and I like the mentor, so it's okay.
 
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I think Kris will have more than that one date with The Fray, btw. The night before Murphys, TF are in Livermore, at Wente Vineyards. I wonder if Kris will be, also. (I have been in Livermore. There's a huge wind farm there, at the Altamont Pass. This is it:

 
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They're playing all the songs on tour. I NEED TO KNOW!!!
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Bring It Back! From the Ashes!

I listened to Kris's album the whole way through for the first time in a long time while I was working today and those two songs still stood out as favorites to me.

And yes, while Alright With Me was playing, I was alone in the room, I got up and danced and sang along. Yep. Thankfully, nobody came in.
 
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I hope they do have more than one date with the Fray. That'd be cool.

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Alright with me is awesome-sauce. You have to sing and dance when it's on, it's a rule.

Plus.. maybe new songs?? Excited!
 
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OMG, just took a look at the list of songs for next week. It's awful. Seriously. A mix of Disney theme songs and songs from 80s movies (Flashdance? Footloose?? Eye Of the Tiger???? Who would sing that?).

ETA: There is the Annie Lennox song from the Lord of the Rings movie that I love, but I don't see anybody choosing that.
 
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Rising Up.. back on the street.. just a man with a thrill for survival.. (are those the lyrics?) I'd TOTALLY sing that. :)
 
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Hey, I don't mind the song, it's forever associated in my mind with this awesome blooper from the show Supernatural:
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LMAO! That's awesome.

They need to clear better songs. I guess they pick from songs of a certain budget??? I'd trade in the Gaga performance for a better song list. Just sayin'
 
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Unlike you guys, I'm not a huge fan of Bring It Back.

missaddicted, you're right of course. I agree with what you feel, but from a practical standpoint I'm just happy Kris won AI, has a record contract, has a hit single, etc. Without Jive he wouldn't have that hit. They're trying to make hit songs. It's not about artistry for them, it's about making money. They're making a lot of money for Kris, too, not just themselves.

As for trusting the artist, I'm not sure they distrust the artist. They're dealing with someone who a year ago wasn't a professional musician or songwriter and they probably feel they're giving him professional support to start him off on the right foot. Kris went from being an unknown semi-amateur to a major label artist overnight, so he can't expect to be running his own career and making his own decisions right away, and I don't think he does expect it. He's lucky to have a big label behind him and he knows it. I'm not saying all their decisions are right but I don't think they've failed yet so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Obviously Kris doesn't have the experience yet to run his own career on this kind of nationwide/worldwide scale, and if he tried to, it would be a mess.

I'd rather one of his own songs was released, but I think that's going to happen. I think The Truth is going to do great, for some reason.

So excuse me for playing devil's advocate here because I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I think there are positive things about this.
 
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As for trusting the artist, I'm not sure they distrust the artist. They're dealing with someone who a year ago wasn't a professional musician or songwriter and they probably feel they're giving him professional support to start him off on the right foot. Kris went from being an unknown semi-amateur to a major label artist overnight, so he can't expect to be running his own career and making his own decisions right away, and I don't think he does expect it. He's lucky to have a big label behind him and he knows it. I'm not saying all their decisions are right but I don't think they've failed yet so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Obviously Kris doesn't have the experience yet to run his own career on this kind of nationwide/worldwide scale, and if he tried to, it would be a mess.
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This makes sense of course. I guess I have a different perspective. I listen to a lot of new artists, who are on their first or second albums only. And pretty much all of them wrote their own music, made the decisions, it feels organic. Of course, they don't have that big 19/Sony machine behind them... and I'm actually perfectly happy that they don't. I've come to dislike the machine a whole damn lot. The music industry machine is like my nemesis right now. It's become that entity that produces those awful songs that I hear all the time on the radio, all in the name of making a quick buck. So I hate that Kris has to compromise (because that seems to be what happened in the case of TT 2.0) to please my nemesis. Yeah, I do see the pros of having that machine behind an artist, but the cons just feel worse than ever to me.

It's probably not clear and I actually talked about it with my friend earlier and I was all pissed off about the state of the music industry. I don't think it's actually all that clear in my head either. I'll have to write it all down someday. I just think the industry is in a sad sad state and that's contradictory for me, because I've never bought that much good music/saw that many live music shows in my life and it's all awesome. Something is just not working somewhere for me.

So yeah, a lot of it has nothing to do with Kris. But the whole situation just gives me another reason to be sad over what is happening with pop music right now.
 
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So yeah, a lot of it has nothing to do with Kris. But the whole situation just gives me another reason to be sad over what is happening with pop music right now.
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I agree. I also usually agree with what you think is crappy music. But there's not much anyone can do as long as people buy this music. I don't know why they do but they're entitled to their own taste. I think there has always been a lot of crappy pop music but apparently people like it or it wouldn't sell. So I don't know what to do about that. It's like books or movies--there's a lot of crap out there and I wish people liked better stuff, but they usually don't.
 
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Well, yeah, I do try to ignore it, but it's becoming harder and harder. And my problem is not really that there is crappy music out there... I know there always has been crappy music. I do have a problem with the fact that there is crappy music, but that alone is not exactly what's bothering me. I'm kind of struggling with words right now. I think it mostly has to do with what I was talking about previously. It's like the maintream music industry doesn't want to take risks anymore. Or rather, they put these "risky" acts out there, you know like Lady Gaga and her weird stuff, Kesha and her party girl image, Rihanna and her "rock star" image, Katy Perry and her faux-lesbian shtick, etc, but in the end, it has become the norm. It's not that risky to do that anymore because everybody's doing it. It's not even about the music anymore. It's about who can do the most controversial thing evah!!! So they all think they're putting the most interesting thing ever out in the world, but it's not really interesting anymore (well, not for me). So, they've stopped trying to find real artists who actually have something to say, something interesting and different, because THAT is actually too risky. Instead, they put out the same song, with the same beats, the same auto-tuned vocals, the same "let's party and get drunk" lyrics. It's like no attention is put on album cohesiveness anymore. Or true originality. Lady Gaga rolling around on the floor in fake blood isn't original, it's a gimmick.

But, whatever, it sells.

I find it depressing.
 
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. It's not even about the music anymore. It's about who can do the most controversial thing evah!!! So they all think they're putting the most interesting thing ever out in the world, but it's not really interesting anymore (well, not for me). So, they've stopped trying to find real artists who actually have something to say, something interesting and different, because THAT is actually too risky. Instead, they put out the same song, with the same beats, the same auto-tuned vocals, the same "let's party and get drunk" lyrics. It's like no attention is put on album cohesiveness anymore. Or true originality. Lady Gaga rolling around on the floor in fake blood isn't original, it's a gimmick.
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Are you reading my mind? Yeah, I think the same things all the time.

I don't know whether it's because I'm older or what, but I don't look at these trends as "forever," so that's maybe why I tend not to angst over them. Ten years ago it was boy bands? Before that there was hair metal?? People aren't interested in the same faddish things forever. Like Lady Gaga's gimmicks. People will get bored with this eventually. I notice I get bored with this stuff faster than it takes for it to go away, but eventually everyone else seems to get bored too.

Also, often when things get carried to extremes theres a strong "anti" reaction and things swing back the other way.

I don't want to bring Adam into this but just briefly, a comment on MJ's yesterday was about Rat Pack week, how he was the best of the night because "who can forget the white suit, the lighted staircase, and the note that went on FOREVER at the end?" If the person (a big fan) had raved about how his singing moved or even just entertained her, that would have been one thing. But clothes and staging? Who cares? Memorable? It's what they do in Las Vegas every other day. Same thing with Rihanna, etc. What about the music? You can say what you want about Adam's great singing but his fans hardly mention it most of the time. It's like a sideline.

Would people still buy just the music of these performers if they had no gimmicky shtick to go along with it, as another selling point? Adam is a good example because I don't know how he'd be selling now without his gimmicky-controversial aspects. And I don't even know what his fans like better, his image and his theatrical aspects, or his music. Same with Gaga, really. Or Katy Perry, who can't really sing.

(Of course, some people think the whole Idol industry is another gimmick, wrecking pop music. Right now Glee is also taking over on iTunes. TV-show music. Covers. I'm sure there are people who hate it and wonder why real, organic artists can't be #12 on iTunes instead of the Glee cast covering Vanilla Ice.)

I don't know what Pop radio is like, where you live. The thing is, here, there is still a lot of good stuff on Pop or HAC to challenge the Lady Gaga stuff. (Less dance music on HAC, of course.) I hear it every day, from Lady Antebellum to The Killers to Mayer to Mraz to Kings Of Leon to Buble to LLWD. It's true Lady G and her cohorts seem to be winning right now. But this other stuff is still there. Not necessarily all great stuff but it's plain music anyhow.

Most depressing to me is all the middle of the road dance-pop-r&b junk that's so forgettable (even the artists are forgettable) and is almost just filler on the radio. Stuff a lot of teens (mostly I think, girls) listen to, and it's just really annoying. When you combine this with the Ke$ha-Rihanna stuff it's just way too much annoying noise on the radio.

But blame teens and young twentysomethings, because I don't think anyone else buys this stuff. The music industry is to blame but it's business and it's just about money, so how do you get people to stop buying this crap?
 
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A Kris fan posted this in MJ's headlines thread. (News like this is worth wading through the other crap!)...

So The Truth won the song challenge on Cleveland’s Q104, taking down the latest Nickelback single, 61%-39%. That’s 2 straight wins for TT — yesterday it beat the latest Green Day single. Hopefully this is a good sign — at the least it will result in a few more spins!
 
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Also, often when things get carried to extremes theres a strong "anti" reaction and things swing back the other way.
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I think that too.

I think Lady Gaga is great but the sheer number of people that are trying to be her means that -- that particular over the top style is actually on the way out. I mean if you've got one Lady Gaga do you really need another 20? Do you actually want to wear metal spikes on your jacket? Because I just think they'd be a nuisance.... but that's just me. ;)

It's actually one of my sister's favourite sayings.
"Fashion ends in excess". It will swing back the other way.
 
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And that's awesome about the Truth beating the Green Day and Nickelback songs.

Slezak's article got picked up by CNN's website too. (without the 10 pages of crazy Idol fan comments, lol)

Kris Allen addresses controversy about 'The Truth' - CNN.com

Bring on the controversy I say.

Reporter for Fox with Kris at the Save the music thing.
http://tweetphoto.com/21331801
and um check out her twitter.. http://twitter.com/TishaLewis it's Kris! :)

Heh. That controversial Kris Allen.
http://twitpic.com/1lll1t
 
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