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Oh, I guess I wanted to say that I'm not really worried about Kris, just worried about how even more brutal the media/critics are going to be if Adam outsells him. I don't really want to make predictions either. I prefer the "wait and see" mode.

Oh, I get what you meant, now. Yeah, they may be brutal about that. I wouldn't want to read or hear that stuff. But as long as Kris does well enough to establish a foothold, it's all good. He doesn't have to start out a megastar but he does have to prove he can sell records.

The press can be brutal in the USA. I guess I'd rather be underestimated by them at first than overestimated and then have to live up to the hype. Along those lines, they also have a habit of building someone up, then tearing them apart farther down the road. In a way, it's better, probably, to avoid either extreme and sort of build quietly step by step. Which is the Kris way, anyway, right?

I'll tell you my own feelings listening to the first cellcast from Portland. This is just me, now, and I'm biased. But the Glamberts had psyched me out and had me thinking Kris could not possibly follow Adam in concert. Then I heard Adam's set (admittedly it was audio only, no pictures), and I thought: "Oh, no problem." I thought Adam lacked something. Actually, I'm not sure what. Genuineness, I suppose. As a singer. As a performer he's great and as a singer he's superhuman in terms of notes and power, but he really has to learn to bring himself to it.
 

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He doesn't have to start out a megastar but he does have to prove he can sell records.

Yes, that's true. The business can be brutal with the artists.

Which is the Kris way, anyway, right?

Also very true!

I thought Adam lacked something. Actually, I'm not sure what. Genuineness, I suppose. As a singer. As a performer he's great and as a singer he's superhuman in terms of notes and power, but he really has to learn to bring himself to it.

Yes, I found that too from the videos I've watched. I know that's been pretty much your problem with him since the beginning and I have this problem with him more and more too. I know that performing as a character is a type of performance that is really popular, but I guess it's just not my thing. Not for the musicians I like in the long term anyway.
 

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You know I love Adam's voice - and I think he's a really great guy. But the thing that pushed Kris past Adam in my eyes was that whole organic feeling to his music. I know that's been said a lot - even by Kris. But it's true - there is just something to it. And I'm not even sure what the something is.

But I get what you're saying Ross. I think you're right about that, and that may change when Adam puts out his own music as opposed to the Idol stuff, and theatre stuff that's on youtube.
 

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I was reading Kris' thread on TWoP and someone posted this:

To me, it makes it seem like the music is sort of flowing through him and he's adjusting himself to that moment and deciding what to do and how to interpret it. I don't want to make the comparison to Jason Mraz because of the white-guy-with-guitar similarity, but more because I have four or five different versions of the same Jason Mraz songs that he's performed live, and each one is different and yet all are equally amazing, because he's on the spot deciding how he feels about the music and how he's going to express himself during that particular performance.

Which describes pretty well something that I haven't really been able to put into words when I was comparing Kris with Jason Mraz. Which also comes back to the "organic feeling" that SleepinIn (and several others, elsewhere) have talked about and how genuine Kris feels when he is performing.
 

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To me, it makes it seem like the music is sort of flowing through him and he's adjusting himself to that moment and deciding what to do and how to interpret it.

Yes, Yes, Yes! :) This is it exactly.

It's what makes Kris so exciting for me as an artist coming out of Idol.

This youtube clip shows Kris playing guitar on Bright lights and is another example. (and you can see that although the people were sitting at the start of the clip.. they weren't talking to each other.. they were paying attention and they were soon popping up out of their seats) Very cool to see this.
YouTube - 7/10/09 - Kris Allen - Bright Lights - American Idols Live 2009 - Sacramento, CA
 

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To me, it makes it seem like the music is sort of flowing through him and he's adjusting himself to that moment and deciding what to do and how to interpret it.

I just thought of something, this is exactly what improvising on an instrument is all about. I'm thinking of jazz, but it applies to rock, also. This is what I love so much about his singing. And no matter how lost in the music he gets, he remains on pitch and always can come back to the melody no matter how far he veers away from it. He makes it seem so effortless. I think one of the best examples is The Way You Look Tonight. Some of the improvisations on the melody that he does are really awesome, and I don't think he thought them all out in advance, I think he just can sing like that. I'm sort of in awe.

If you listen to his vocal on this song and imagine a sax or trumpet solo in place of his voice, it's amazing. He sings exactly like a soloist.

YouTube - The Way You Look Tonight (Studio Recording) - Kris Allen [DOWNLOAD]

Not to mention he has such a soulful way with a melody, and a gorgeous voice. And he's great at conveying the meaning of the lyrics, too.

(I know this isn't necessarily your favorite genre, missaddicted. :) It was a good illustration of what I meant, though.)

Which also comes back to the "organic feeling" that SleepinIn (and several others, elsewhere) have talked about and how genuine Kris feels when he is performing.

You guys, we're in tune tonight. I was going to post earlier, but I got sidetracked, and I was also going to talk about Kris being organic. I only have a vague idea what that means, I guess to me it means he and the music are one, when he's singing and playing.

About Adam. Is he playing a character? I'm not sure. You mean like Lady Gaga, missaddicted?

I'm trying to listen to the cellcast. Adam is on. There are pictures tonight, but the sound is fading. Rickey needs to fix something on his site, everything has that same static, even when he's just talking...
 
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Yeah they're funny.

By the way, to judge from this cellcast, they're really screaming for our guy tonight out in Salt Lake.
 
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About Adam. Is he playing a character? I'm not sure. You mean like Lady Gaga, missaddicted?

Maybe not at the extent of Lady Gaga (yet), but I think it's telling that some of Adam's influences are Bowie, Freddie and Madonna. I think he's somewhat "hiding" behing a facade (not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but I couldn't think of another word than hiding). I don't know. It just feels like he leaves it all on stage, but it feels somewhat staged and not totally natural.

Though Adam might just be playing a character. Didn't a reviewer say that Adam was using a fake british accent during his Bowie medley?
 

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(I know this isn't necessarily your favorite genre, missaddicted. :icon_smile: It was a good illustration of what I meant, though.)

LOL! It is actually a good illustration of what you wanted to say.

It's funny because my iPod was playing on random in my lab the other day and that song came on and I was like "well, this sounds a bit out of place with the rest of my music"!
 

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OK, I can't seem to post everything in one post tonight.

Just saw the bubble tweet or whatever it was. So funny. Also saw the one by Danny, with Adam saying his twitter, facebook, e-mail, etc had been hacked. Oops!

So, bubble tweet? Seriously? Soon, we won't get outside of our houses, we'll just bubble tweet...
 

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Kris and Sarver. Kris in a Mighty Mouse T-shirt. Somehow appropriate.

I think I went off on a tangent last night, in fact I was half asleep, but I understood what you guys were saying, SleepinIn, and missaddicted. What you said about Kris is what I like in an artist, and, yes, it's especially exciting in an artist coming off of Idol. In a way he's the anti-Idol. This is very cool to me.

I think Salt Lake City must have been incredible, judging from the cellcast. Like when Kris talked to the crowd. No idea what he said, but after every pause there were massive cheers. He probably just said, How you all doin' tonight? And a few other things like that. I only listened to maybe two minutes of it.
 

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I was listening and I agree there were some loud cheers. I was hoping some youtube video would pop up of ANS, it sounded different to me (although that could be the quality of the audio from the cellphone) I haven't seen any yet. Only Hey Jude so far.

This is very cool to me.

Yeah me too.
 

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Searching for some Utah video.

Only other thing I found was this blog post about how the Idols have changed since the show. Kris "wins the award for most improved." I guess that's a good thing?

Anyhow, at the bottom there's a two-minute video with clips from the Salt Lake City concert. Kris sounds nice on Heartless, it's too bad it's only a clip.

By the way, did you guys hear the difference in those HQ videos the other day? (Of course you did. Stupid question.) It got me thinking how when we watch clips we don't always hear the nuances people hear live. In fact sometimes it's pretty distorted. But I could hear so much more stuff (little details) in those good clips.
It was more like how they sounded on AI.

Some stuff I saw when I was looking for Salt Lake video:

TV Guide "After Idol" interview with Kris.

Kris answers reader questions from TV Guide.

Short Kris interview before he sang at the Lakers Game (he's at the end of the clip).

Adam interview, part 1.

Adam interview, part 2.

and The Way You Look Tonight on AI, just because he's so cool.
 
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I couldn't watch the Lakers one - wrong country. But the others were cute - I don't think I've seen the Kris one before but I remember the pink elephant one with Adam.

Cute exchange with a Kris fan and Idol tour Musical director Dave Kokoki. (he really cracks me up)

@kokoki Cool! Lovin' the backstage stuff. Is Kris Allen really as awesome and perfect as he seems? No one's that perfect, right?
@shoshpaige kris doesn't ride the tour busses, he descends from heaven on a ray of light carried by doves just before the gig.

When you think about the amount of work the band has to do for the tour - the Idols themselves really have it easy.

ANS Kris Allen £¨Ain£¦amp£»#039£»t No Sunshine£© £¨¹Ú¾üÕù¶á±íÑÝÇúÄ¿£© £¨ÖÐÎÄ×ÖÄ»£© -56ÍøÊÓÆµ :) Wish I could read chinese, but I find it odd that the subtitles during the songs are in English. go figure.

White Chocolate -
I want you back£­°×ÇÉ¿ËÁ¦×éºÏWhite Chocolate£¨Matt Giraud£¬Kris Allen¡£¡££© -56ÍøÊÓÆµ
 

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HAHA!!!

I just can't totally wrap my head around the idea that these guys are famous in places like China.

I mean, can you imagine us watching Chinese performers on Chinese Idol?

@kokoki Cool! Lovin' the backstage stuff. Is Kris Allen really as awesome and perfect as he seems? No one's that perfect, right?
@shoshpaige kris doesn't ride the tour busses, he descends from heaven on a ray of light carried by doves just before the gig.

I saw that exchange today when I searched Kris on twitter. But I had no idea who "kokoki" was. So thanks. Maybe I'll follow him.

I meant to ask earlier: have you heard any other news or rumors about Heartless? Re-recording it for radio? (I hope they do re-record it. Unless of course it's overdone with weird vocal effects, or something.)

I was just reading comments on mj's blog. I swore off doing that, since it makes me upset. Like, "needing to talk myself down" upset. But I got bored with no videos of Kris tonight.

Anyhow, apparently there was another review (Salt Lake this time) that unfavorably compared Kris to Adam, in terms of audience response. And again there was the thing about people sitting during some of Kris set, but not Adam's (meaningless).

There was then a response from one of the posters about how in every city the audience response is greater when Adam is introduced vs. Kris. And this proves Adam is more popular.

I actually answered that post, but I forget what I said. Mostly that probably Adam's fans are louder than Kris's fans. (Big surprise. NOT.)
 

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I think Idol is really popular in some parts of Asia. Last spring, David and David did a show in the Philippines in front of around 100 000 fans! Maybe Adam and Kris will get to do that also next year.

Haven't heard anything else about Heartless...
 

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Nope me either on Heartless. Although I did see another radio station add it, but I think it was the studio version and the station might be internet only.

I take a zen approach to reviews. Whatevs. From watching Kris on youtube, I know he's good. Does he have room to grow? Yes. But he isn't the only one. And as we've seen Kris seems to progress in leaps in bounds. I also think Kris would probably be even more critical of himself from the things he's said. Let's just be glad he isn't doing the reviewing. :)

Are you guys watching Allison on Conan tonight? I'm listening to Dana Carvey talk Paul McCartney and thinking.. Kris would have loved it.
 
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