Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

[ross 1]

It's sort of amazing that he's been in the background for so long.

I don't really think he's that great, so I'm actually not surprised he's been in the background. He was showcased well on Idol as a performer, and then there was all the pimpage. But post-Idol, it's been a different story. I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but while he gets all the press, he hasn't actually done much that can be seen as successful performing since the Idol tour ended.

People (especially Adam) are trying to put the AMAs thing behind him, but I'm pretty sure that hurt him a lot and the repercussions are still being felt. I think it made him seem like a niche performer, at least, one who can't appeal to the mainstream with the kind of thing he apparently really wants to do. A lot of this red carpet stuff, the hosting of the Jingle Balls, etc., are the kinds of gigs Adam is able to get, currently. If he were able to get better gigs, he wouldn't be doing this stuff. For all I know there may still be a big demand for his singing, but if so, why isn't he singing?

 

[missaddicted]

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but while he gets all the press, he hasn't actually done much that can be seen as successful performing since the Idol tour ended.

THAT is my problem exactly. I just don't think all that attention he gets is deserved.

 

[SleepinIn]

I don't really think he's that great, so I'm actually not surprised he's been in the background.

The Idol pimpage is my point (well sort of, in a round about way) They fell over themselves for him - like starving folk on a banquet - and he's been out there - working in the entertainment industry - in LA. And they didn't notice him. Maybe all it really says is that there are a ton of really talented people everywhere that never get that extra boost.

THAT is my problem exactly. I just don't think all that attention he gets is deserved.

Of course it's not. That kind of attention is hardly ever deserved. I mean the cover of Rolling Stone (and Entertainment Weekly for that matter) for announcing that he was gay? Hardly a secret... but who's going to turn down the cover of Rollingstone?

Adam's whole post-idol journey has been very odd to say the least. Not even Kelly Clarkson gets the opportunities that are thrown at him all the time. Or it doesn't seem like she is anyway.

he hasn't actually done much that can be seen as successful performing since the Idol tour ended.

Oprah wasn't bad.. I do get your point though, he's not exactly performing every night.

 

[SleepinIn]

Another cover.. this one doesn't mention the Script.. bonus point for him.

YouTube - Live Like We're Dyin- Kris Allen- Chris Alward- (COVER)

This version of Good Day LA has the other song snippits included

 

[ross 1]

Oprah wasn't bad..

You know, that was one song and an interview. That's what performers do on the side, to publicize their real jobs. Their real jobs shouldn't be appearing on Oprah. That's just proving what missaddicted is saying. He's a celebrity for the sake of being a celebrity. His single shouldn't sell because he's on Oprah. He won't be on Oprah every week.

The Idol pimpage is my point (well sort of, in a round about way) They fell over themselves for him - like starving folk on a banquet - and he's been out there - working in the entertainment industry - in LA. And they didn't notice him. Maybe all it really says is that there are a ton of really talented people everywhere that never get that extra boost.

I totally understand what you're saying but I think we're coming at it differently. The whole thing about the pimpage to me was not that it was well deserved but that it was totally overblown.

I didn't think he was usually as good as they said. I've said before I think they ignored any flaws of his while exaggerating the flaws of other people. If they could do that for Danny they could do it for Adam, and did. Don't forget Danny got most of the ridiculous praise Adam got, if not more, at first.

Excuse my cynicism, but I think it's all about good TV. They work out a dramatic scenario and then try to make it happen. They felt Adam was good TV, Danny was good TV, Lil, etc. They had their back stories in place. Do you remember the groups? Adam was the star of his group, Danny of his, and Lil of hers. They all were pimped from the start, got the most votes (I guess) of their groups, and each sang in the pimp spot after they won their groups. It was so manipulated.

I don't really think they really felt Adam was the second coming. They just needed to keep him in the game. Isn't all the pimping really about keeping people around, and all the de-pimping about getting rid of people? I don't think it's sincere at all. jmho.

 

[missaddicted]

Adam's whole post-idol journey has been very odd to say the least. Not even Kelly Clarkson gets the opportunities that are thrown at him all the time. Or it doesn't seem like she is anyway.

I guess I'm happy that she doesn't. I don't need to see my favorite musicians covering red carpets or appearing in tons of magazines. I need them to produce good music and perform great shows. That is really all I'm asking for and I have a huge amount of respect for those who work hard at doing just that. In the long run, I believe that's what works the best for a musician's or performer's career. Not how many red carpets you attended.

Of course, I'm bringing my own issues into the discussion. Aside from his OTT fans and the media hype, I didn't really have a problem with Adam himself, except not liking most of his music. Now, I'm starting to have a problem with who he is and how he is portraying himself.

Read this on DCO:

I was just reading the Adam thread over on original flavor Television w/out Pity. Someone there had taken offense at the idea that Adam was 'turning into Paris Hilton', and poster 'nice PANTS' wrote this:
Paris put out an album with the help of collaborators Rob Cavallo, Greg Wells, Dr. Luke and Kara DioGuardi. She made it into the top 10 of music charts in 17 countries. I'm sure Adam would be happy if that happened for him. Her TV show "The Simple Life" ran for five seasons. Like Adam, she got to be one of Barbara Walter's 10 Most Fascinating People. She has co-hosted award shows and pre-shows. She's shown up as a presenter on the AMA's several times. If you look at her "career" - Adam has a very long way to go before he reaches her level of fame/infamy. It wouldn't be a bad model to follow for someone as determined to be famous as Adam seems to be. Hee!

Apparently, some of the Glamberts don't mind if he ends up like Paris Hilton. Well, he could end up having his head cut off on Supernatural, just like her!

YouTube - Supernatural 5x05: Winchesters meet "Paris Hilton"

That was sooooo good! * hearts Supernatural and their sense of irony*

 

[SleepinIn]

OMG....no, no, no. LMAO. Let's stage a red carpet intervention. Someone get the bat car stat!!!

 

[missaddicted]

LOL. I think I got everything off my chest. In the end, I don't really cares what happens with him, I just have this contradictory dialogue going on in my head "It's not fair that he's getting all that attention." vs. "Thank goodness it's not my favorites getting that kind of attention.".

ETA: LOL at #grindmejustin (Beiber) trending on twitter. Scary stuff. Oh, and Brangelina split.

 

[ross 1]

I feel like I'm talking to myself.

 

[missaddicted]

What?

I think we were having a pretty good discussion there, sorry if you didn't feel included, but I think we were all participating in that one!

 

[ross 1]

I know, I meant my last post. Nobody responded to anything I said and I took 20 minutes to write the damn thing.

(I never said I didn't feel included.)

You're taking me way too seriously. I put a smiling face after what I said because I was kidding. Smiley = happy.

 

[SleepinIn]

"It's not fair that he's getting all that attention." vs. "Thank goodness it's not my favorites getting that kind of attention.".

That's understandable. I'd like Kris to get more credit with the media, but I want it to be about the music ultimately. I wouldn't be happy if the only attention he got was about -- him being cute, or his pretty wife. They both really have a lot of proving to do to the outside world, and actually I've said this before but Kris might have an easier time doing that since he hasn't got this insane amount of hype. Adam's got a lot to live up to at the moment. He can do it, but yeah.. tour dates.. for both of them.

I feel like I'm talking to myself.

Did you say something?

Hee! Oops I missed your post.. scrolled back for it. And I do agree it is a tv show afterall and Danny got a TON of pimpage too. Actually even more at the beginning. And they loved Lil. But then she couldn't find an identity on the stage, actually Matt as well. They really liked Matt too.

 

[missaddicted]

Well, I just saw that you edited your post, I try to go back and check, but I don't always do it. And I didn't have anything to add to what you said. It happens sometimes. My problem is not really how Adam was portrayed or pimped on Idol, it's how he's portrayed right now. I don't think the two are necessarily related.

 

[SleepinIn]

Brangelina split.

She didn't like the beads in the beard either?

 

[ross 1]

Did you say something?

LOL! No, I actually didn't say anything, now that I re-read it! Haha!

Guys, look at this...

bye guy on Yahoo! Video

I went way back in the thread and this was one of my links. OMG. What a moment. I can't take Danny. Kara makes me want to puke. Oh, AI, I love/hate you so much!

 

[missaddicted]

I still love how Kris seems so relaxed before Ryan reads the results, while Danny and Adam seem so serious and stressed.

ETA: And his face after Simon makes the ding dong comment!

 

[ross 1]

I still love how Kris seems so relaxed before Ryan reads the results, while Danny and Adam seem so serious and stressed.

I know, right???????? He's not stressed. What's with that guy?

I was actually going back in the thread to see if I could find the moment I started to feel Adam was a fame *****. But it's too hard. Still, it's fun to read back there. Try it, you'll like it.

My problem is not really how Adam was portrayed or pimped on Idol, it's how he's portrayed right now. I don't think the two are necessarily related.

I just got what you meant. I think I was responding to something SleepinIn said about how they pimped Adam on Idol and how he wasn't discovered before now. I guess I should have said, actually, SleepinIn, all my Adam dislike aside, yeah, it is actually surprising he wasn't discovered sooner.

Most of my dislike actually comes from all the unfair post-Idol pimpage. As well as all of the fans who have put down Kris to make Adam look better. (To fans, the one you like is always better, but this is like: Kris is a nothing and Adam is brilliant. Never can stand that stuff). During the season, I really didn't hate Adam. As a singer, I wasn't wild about him, but he was one of my early favorites overall, and one I hoped would advance. I began to dislike him when he got attention out of all proportion to what he accomplished, or to his talent, even.

The funny result of all that attention is that a lot of people who should know better have come to believe the hype. If you watched that clip you can see we had no idea who would be in the top 2 or who would win.

 

[SleepinIn]

Okay, that just doesn't get old and actually all the judges looked happier for Kris than I remember them being. Simon looked shocked, but then he stood and clapped for Kris too. And it's the big ding dong..

Hee! Danny was my first favourite. He just has no taste in music, so I had to toss him aside like yesterday's news.

It's Ryan that annoys me now.

ETA: Kris is hanging on Bourbon street.

 

[missaddicted]

Hee! Danny was my first favourite. He just has no taste in music, so I had to toss him aside like yesterday's news.

Ha! Me too!

Reading back in the thread. I've been wanting to do that... but we've been quite chatty in the last year!

We seem to have been more chatty after Idol ended though, so maybe reading back what we wrote during the season won't be too bad!

 

[SleepinIn]

I think Idol ended on page 10 - LMAO

ETA:

Ha! Me too!

Song choice. So important.