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I was in Walmart today with my Mom - there were tons of CD's for both Adam and Kris..very prominent location on the shelf.. but no posters or advertising. No run on either of them. Rhianna had like a shelf to herself (lots, and lots of product).
My Mom contributed to the Subo phenomenon.. D'oh. She was not the only one.
I haven't bought Adam's CD yet.. waiting til next week..or so.. lol. When you getting your's Ross? (kidding, kidding...)
My Mom contributed to the Subo phenomenon.. D'oh. She was not the only one.
I haven't bought Adam's CD yet.. waiting til next week..or so.. lol. When you getting your's Ross? (kidding, kidding...)
SuBo....aaargh. It just pisses me off when Simon is right about anything.
Funny no one calls her "boring." Because she ain't exactly a thrill ride. Of course having a minor nervous breakdown every other week is very appealing and keeps her in the news.
I was never impressed with this chick, but, hey, that's me. I saw Patti Lupone on a morning show when the phenom was in full swing, and they played the I Dreamed A Dream clip for her, and I noticed that, despite repeated attempts to get her to compliment S.B.'s singing, she didn't. She was diplomatic, but no thumbs up.
Adam's CD. Kidding aside, it doesn't look like Adam needs me to buy his CD.
Looking at the first 3 or 4 YouTubes that pop up when you search LLWD, if you combine the number of hits, it's over a million. I think a lot of artists would be happy to have that. Not to mention a lot of idol contestants.
I was reading the s.o.s. on TWoP from whover it is who says Kris has nothing special and would be better off in the background, writing songs for other people (haven't I read that about three times over there now? Or does the person just spam all sites? Or is it one of the "aliases"?). I really don't think somebody who is getting steadily increasing radio play, is selling steadily on iTunes, gets a million hits for a song on YouTube, or sells the 11th most popular album out of 200, is unpopular or doomed, or that nobody wants to hear from him and hopes he'll disappear. Just sayin.
I wonder where they taped those 5 questions with Kris? Judging from the fall foliage, it seems to be the east, not very recently, and out in the country.
Funny no one calls her "boring." Because she ain't exactly a thrill ride. Of course having a minor nervous breakdown every other week is very appealing and keeps her in the news.
I was never impressed with this chick, but, hey, that's me. I saw Patti Lupone on a morning show when the phenom was in full swing, and they played the I Dreamed A Dream clip for her, and I noticed that, despite repeated attempts to get her to compliment S.B.'s singing, she didn't. She was diplomatic, but no thumbs up.
Adam's CD. Kidding aside, it doesn't look like Adam needs me to buy his CD.
Looking at the first 3 or 4 YouTubes that pop up when you search LLWD, if you combine the number of hits, it's over a million. I think a lot of artists would be happy to have that. Not to mention a lot of idol contestants.
I was reading the s.o.s. on TWoP from whover it is who says Kris has nothing special and would be better off in the background, writing songs for other people (haven't I read that about three times over there now? Or does the person just spam all sites? Or is it one of the "aliases"?). I really don't think somebody who is getting steadily increasing radio play, is selling steadily on iTunes, gets a million hits for a song on YouTube, or sells the 11th most popular album out of 200, is unpopular or doomed, or that nobody wants to hear from him and hopes he'll disappear. Just sayin.
I wonder where they taped those 5 questions with Kris? Judging from the fall foliage, it seems to be the east, not very recently, and out in the country.
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Yeah, good ole Sue, I'm actually happy for her, I mean it is a nice story. Do I think she's going to keep making records and tour? Probably not. Maybe records, but yeah, she seems very fragile emotionally so the tour would be a disaster. Although one offs might be okay.
I keep reading the Kris should stay in the background thing too, over there, and probably elsewhere. I think it's the same person, the refrain remains the same so to speak. The one youtube clip that the radio stations have all linked to, is approaching 630,000 views. I think that's pretty good too. And you're right it's only one version. Even the Scripts version is at 250,000 views and it was only at something like 14,000 before Kris released his. I don't know why there is a persistent need to tear Kris down. It's kind of amazing. Speaking of airplay, you're right it's really doing well.
I thought they did the VH1 thing when he was in NY and did the video countdown thing. Is he wearing the same clothes?
Speaking of VH1 - don't forget to vote for the video! Keep him in the countdown.. (not as bad as the twitter wall and he gets seen on tv - BONUS!)
http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/vote.jhtml
I keep reading the Kris should stay in the background thing too, over there, and probably elsewhere. I think it's the same person, the refrain remains the same so to speak. The one youtube clip that the radio stations have all linked to, is approaching 630,000 views. I think that's pretty good too. And you're right it's only one version. Even the Scripts version is at 250,000 views and it was only at something like 14,000 before Kris released his. I don't know why there is a persistent need to tear Kris down. It's kind of amazing. Speaking of airplay, you're right it's really doing well.
I thought they did the VH1 thing when he was in NY and did the video countdown thing. Is he wearing the same clothes?
Speaking of VH1 - don't forget to vote for the video! Keep him in the countdown.. (not as bad as the twitter wall and he gets seen on tv - BONUS!)
http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/top_20_countdown/vote.jhtml
Hedley's Toronto Media Blitz - I stayed in that hotel last year! 
They screwed up our reservation, but made up for it very nicely.
YouTube - Hedley Takes Over Toronto pt. 1
They screwed up our reservation, but made up for it very nicely. YouTube - Hedley Takes Over Toronto pt. 1
Insidious! At least the comments were ignored, for once. Well, except by me.
Thanks for the Hedley video. I don't really like that damn song, do you? Sometimes I wish Jacob wouldn't try so hard to be edgy. Never Too Late, For The Nights I Can't Remember, and Old School, which are all sentimental, are the side of him I like better. Of course there are always a lot of snide songs on their albums, but leading off with two in a row, to promote the new record...well, that's not my favorite side of Hedley, I guess.
Why did Alex Wagner-Trugman say Canadians breathe through their feet?
I voted for LLWD on VH1. Is there no limit to how much you can vote?? This drives me crazy! I never feel like I'm voting enough! I voted about 25 times.
Hey! I keep forgetting about People's Choice. Are you guys still voting for that?
ETA: I see Ingrid Michaelson is on that VH1 list. I'm seeing her next week when I see Kris. Interesting.
I voted for LLWD on VH1. Is there no limit to how much you can vote?? This drives me crazy! I never feel like I'm voting enough! I voted about 25 times.
Hey! I keep forgetting about People's Choice. Are you guys still voting for that?
ETA: I see Ingrid Michaelson is on that VH1 list. I'm seeing her next week when I see Kris. Interesting.
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I actually like Don't Talk to Strangers better than I like Cha-ching, but yeah I agree I like the more sentimental side of Hedley too. I have to say though that Don't Talk to Strangers sounds good on the radio -- and even my sister, a total non fan (doesn't watch Idol, etc.) mentioned when it came on the radio the other day that oh, Hedley - they have a lot of good songs - and started singing along.. lol. I think all of their records have started off with the snide and moved to the sentimental.. haven't they? I'm trying to remember what came out when.
No limit on either People's Choice or VH1 - I'm going to vote a bunch tonight when I get home, I figure I voted for the damn twitter wall I can vote for something that actually means something.
No idea on Trugs, lol.
and wow for David - that's a great accomplishment. He's done great. And yes the declining record sales -- that's a scary thought.
I don't even know. I'm pretty sure the first single was On My Own. Actually that's not so snarky. She's So Sorry...was that the first single off the second album? I'm not good at this stuff, because when all these songs were being released I was just discovering Jacob on CI2. There used to be so much Jacob/Hedley stuff on the 'net. Fan sites had a lot of good stuff. Live Journal had great clips -- maybe they're still there somewhere.
American Idol for Christmas: New American Idol Albums Drop in Time for the Holidays - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com
"American Idol Season 8 winner Kris Allen released his self-titled debut album on November 17. In a week when established megastars like John Mayer (whose album, "Battle Studies" debuted in the No. 1 position), 50 Cent, Leona Lewis, Paul McCartney, Casting Crowns, and Norah Jones also released albums, the American Idol Season 8 winner did well to bow in at #11. In fact, he debuted higher than Leona Lewis (#13) and Paul McCartney (#16)."
We know this info already but it's good to read someone putting Kris's debut in a positive light, rather than the opposite.
I'm glad you're voting, SleepinIn. I'll do my best.
That's cool. It's a catchy tune, I don't hate it, I just don't really like it. Yet. I kind of like it but when I was watching that video you linked to, I ended up turning the sound off. Then again, I think they had the song playing in the background for the whole 7 or 8 minutes of the video. (That video was fun, btw. Jacob complaining about Dave. lol)
This in an interesting article from Lyndsey Parker - she was really fair when talking about the Kris/Adam sales. (or course the comments are bananas... but whatcha gonna do? lmao - I recommend you not read them, since I had to stop reading) Lyndsey raises all the points we have in regards to sales.
A Tale Of Two Idols' Sales - Reality Rocks
Did you watch Bonnie Hunt? Kris was really relaxed and funny talking to Bonnie and the band sounded great. I was impressed with them.. no sign of the promised Christmas song.. guess we have to wait.
Lyndsay tweeted about this blog from Billboard in regards to the discounted CD's at Amazon
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And, about the Amazon MP3 store deals? Yes, they certainly cause spikes on our charts. This week, Aerosmith's "Big Ones" re-entered our Top Pop Catalog Albums chart at No. 29 while it debuted on our Top Digital Albums chart at No. 13. The set sold 4,000 last week, but had a gain of just over 3,000.
And, of its gain, nearly 99% of it was made up entirely of digital downloads. So, yes, that Amazon deal really moved the needle for Aerosmith."
She also said she didn't think itunes pass sales counted towards Billboard. Which is also interesting.
A Tale Of Two Idols' Sales - Reality Rocks
Did you watch Bonnie Hunt? Kris was really relaxed and funny talking to Bonnie and the band sounded great. I was impressed with them.. no sign of the promised Christmas song.. guess we have to wait.
Lyndsay tweeted about this blog from Billboard in regards to the discounted CD's at Amazon
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And, about the Amazon MP3 store deals? Yes, they certainly cause spikes on our charts. This week, Aerosmith's "Big Ones" re-entered our Top Pop Catalog Albums chart at No. 29 while it debuted on our Top Digital Albums chart at No. 13. The set sold 4,000 last week, but had a gain of just over 3,000.
And, of its gain, nearly 99% of it was made up entirely of digital downloads. So, yes, that Amazon deal really moved the needle for Aerosmith."
She also said she didn't think itunes pass sales counted towards Billboard. Which is also interesting.
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Lyndsay Parker had good points in her piece, but I have two (pretty major) problems with it.
First, she assumes that Adam will be #2 with 225,000 copies sold based on what? The HDD predictions? They're known to over-predict when it comes to the Idols. I mean, the HDD numbers based on sales are not even all out yet and the real numbers will only be known on Wednesday. Maybe she should have waited until we knew the real numbers to publish her article. Not that I think Adam won't beat Kris, since HDD shows that with 54% of the sales calculated, he already does. Still, she talks about the numbers as if they were facts when they're not.
Also, I don't think this is completely true:
I do believe Kris could follow Cook's career path. But Cook went platinum in February, I believe. Before he started his tour. He hasn't been steadily selling records during his tour. I'm in the "blame Come Back to Me" camp: the second single should have driven the sales, but it barely did. I don't think a tour can by itself drive album sales, expect maybe a giga stadium tour or something.
SleepinIn, did you listen to Allison's album? I wasn't even planning to, but I've read good comments elsewhere. I'm still not sure if I would be interested, but I thought about asking for your opinion!
Off to watch the Bonnie Hunt clips!
First, she assumes that Adam will be #2 with 225,000 copies sold based on what? The HDD predictions? They're known to over-predict when it comes to the Idols. I mean, the HDD numbers based on sales are not even all out yet and the real numbers will only be known on Wednesday. Maybe she should have waited until we knew the real numbers to publish her article. Not that I think Adam won't beat Kris, since HDD shows that with 54% of the sales calculated, he already does. Still, she talks about the numbers as if they were facts when they're not.
Also, I don't think this is completely true:
I do believe Kris could follow Cook's career path. But Cook went platinum in February, I believe. Before he started his tour. He hasn't been steadily selling records during his tour. I'm in the "blame Come Back to Me" camp: the second single should have driven the sales, but it barely did. I don't think a tour can by itself drive album sales, expect maybe a giga stadium tour or something.
SleepinIn, did you listen to Allison's album? I wasn't even planning to, but I've read good comments elsewhere. I'm still not sure if I would be interested, but I thought about asking for your opinion!
Off to watch the Bonnie Hunt clips!
I've read that myself about iTunes passes not counting towards Billboard. I can't see how that's right. At least someone ought to publish the amount of passes sold. It would be interesting to know. And how it figures or doesn't figure in the sales results.
Lindsey's article was good. Myself, I think the whole "Debuted at #11 for his week" is meaningless as a way to compare any artist to anyone else -- Kris to Jordin, for example -- because not every artist debuts in competition with the same people.
The Alicia Keyes example Lindsey gave was a good example. Kris could have debuted in a different week and sold the most albums and been #1. Comparing actual numbers sold is more accurate -- though I think it's actually impossible to make any kind of meaningful comparison at all, in the end.
As for the press and how the press has helped Adam. One thing not mentioned in the article is how the press routinely seems to lead off nearly everything about Kris with something about how "a lot of people think Adam should have won." And the inevitable comparisons that seem to favor Adam. In other words nearly everything about Kris seems to include a plug for Adam. (And often an invalidation or denigration of the fact that voters chose Kris over Adam. Well, guess what? We did.)
I don't really mind Kris's numbers, I think they're good. I don't feel the need to compare them to the numbers of past winners. It's hard not to compare them to Adam's, but like I said, I believe the public has been more or less brainwashed that Adam is somehow the second coming. I think it's interesting and telling that when Adam and Kris were actually up against each other on American Idol, directly in competiton as performers, side by side, despite all the hype by the show for Adam and even some of the press, people chose Kris.
I don't live in Idol-land, I live on Earth, so I'm not of the opinion that selling @80,000 CDs the first week out, and coming in #11 out of 200, behind some heavy hitters, is failure. Disappointing, yes, if you care. I would never have compared him to past winners or anyone else except for the forums/blogs. I'm beginning to get a little tired of all that.
Lindsey's article was good. Myself, I think the whole "Debuted at #11 for his week" is meaningless as a way to compare any artist to anyone else -- Kris to Jordin, for example -- because not every artist debuts in competition with the same people.
The Alicia Keyes example Lindsey gave was a good example. Kris could have debuted in a different week and sold the most albums and been #1. Comparing actual numbers sold is more accurate -- though I think it's actually impossible to make any kind of meaningful comparison at all, in the end.
As for the press and how the press has helped Adam. One thing not mentioned in the article is how the press routinely seems to lead off nearly everything about Kris with something about how "a lot of people think Adam should have won." And the inevitable comparisons that seem to favor Adam. In other words nearly everything about Kris seems to include a plug for Adam. (And often an invalidation or denigration of the fact that voters chose Kris over Adam. Well, guess what? We did.)
I don't really mind Kris's numbers, I think they're good. I don't feel the need to compare them to the numbers of past winners. It's hard not to compare them to Adam's, but like I said, I believe the public has been more or less brainwashed that Adam is somehow the second coming. I think it's interesting and telling that when Adam and Kris were actually up against each other on American Idol, directly in competiton as performers, side by side, despite all the hype by the show for Adam and even some of the press, people chose Kris.
I don't live in Idol-land, I live on Earth, so I'm not of the opinion that selling @80,000 CDs the first week out, and coming in #11 out of 200, behind some heavy hitters, is failure. Disappointing, yes, if you care. I would never have compared him to past winners or anyone else except for the forums/blogs. I'm beginning to get a little tired of all that.
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That's a good question and I hadn't thought about it before. The thing with the pass is that you had to pay for it right away. Maybe that's the difference. When you only pre-order an album, you usually pay for it only when it becomes available (on iTunes at least). Still, logic tells me that when they send you to copy of the album for download, they have to count it somewhere, no?
I'm sure it's counted somewhere, but that doesn't mean it's included in these stats we're talking about. I guess. Didn't I read somewhere that all the singles that were downloaded to people who bought the pass were not counted as singles sales? That hardly seems logical, either.
Yeah, I don't know how the itunes pass works at all. That might be a whole other tale. There was an article I read the other day about Weezer's itunes pass and they talked about Kris a bit and said his pass was a mixed review since there were some issues (yeah, like not having things titled, or downloaded or listed) And Weezer was going to have the stuff in their pass listed ahead of time as well as the dates the items would download. It seemed like a much better plan on the whole. You'd would think that they would have to count them somewhere though, right? I mean the money's coming in.. someone has to know.
David started out selling well, right? And just kept going.. That's why I don't like to compare and contrast season to season, Idol to Idol. the circumstances are always different and I'm pretty sure David had a stronger core fanbase on his push away from Idol. Kris's fans seem to be easily distracted (present company excluded of course, lol) I *think* (my opinion only - I have no facts to back up my pure speculation) tours always help sales, but maybe not as much as radio play would. Radio for me is the key. Although if David didn't have the strong second single and still went platinum.. then what do I know? lol
I don't mind Kris's numbers in the overall picture. I mean I'd like them to be larger..of course.. but he did debut higher than Them Crooked Vultures and Paul McCartney, and Leona Lewis.. so yeah, it's all relative and it's not like no one bought it.
Alison's Cd:
I haven't listened to anything but Scars (and FIBOU) and I heard the Dilana version of Holiday and thought Alison would suit it much better. I want Alison to do well, and I've heard good things about her CD too. I don't know if she'll benefit or not from being outside of the sales feud between Kris and Adam. On one hand she isn't torn apart by the fans and on the other I haven't heard as much about her in the press, although her press is only starting now.
ETA: I really liked Scars
David started out selling well, right? And just kept going.. That's why I don't like to compare and contrast season to season, Idol to Idol. the circumstances are always different and I'm pretty sure David had a stronger core fanbase on his push away from Idol. Kris's fans seem to be easily distracted (present company excluded of course, lol) I *think* (my opinion only - I have no facts to back up my pure speculation) tours always help sales, but maybe not as much as radio play would. Radio for me is the key. Although if David didn't have the strong second single and still went platinum.. then what do I know? lol
I don't mind Kris's numbers in the overall picture. I mean I'd like them to be larger..of course.. but he did debut higher than Them Crooked Vultures and Paul McCartney, and Leona Lewis.. so yeah, it's all relative and it's not like no one bought it.
Alison's Cd:
I haven't listened to anything but Scars (and FIBOU) and I heard the Dilana version of Holiday and thought Alison would suit it much better. I want Alison to do well, and I've heard good things about her CD too. I don't know if she'll benefit or not from being outside of the sales feud between Kris and Adam. On one hand she isn't torn apart by the fans and on the other I haven't heard as much about her in the press, although her press is only starting now.
ETA: I really liked Scars
David had one major advantage whether the fans like to acknowledge it or not: the Magic Rainbow. I mean, the song got huge airplay during the summer, it was played during the Olympics and on Oprah. It went Platinum very fast. So, David already had some name recognition outside of Idol which means that, yes, the circumstances were really different from this year. And it was because of a song and not because of media hype or magazine craziness. But, yeah, David went platinum way before the second single was released. A lot of fans think that he could have sold even more hadn't it been for the choice of CBTM as the second single, but it's only speculation, of course.
I agree with you that radio play is really the key though. Maybe tours a little bit, since they do local promotion in the different cities, but radio is the most important. Aside from scandal, I guess, that seems to work pretty well also.
Thanks for your take on Scars, SleepinIn. I heard especially good things about it. I think Allison is going to have a hard time. I mean, FIBOU is barely getting radio play. Not that Adam was getting a lot of radio play either, but he had, you know, something else.
Oh, a trusted number nerd on another board says that she's 100%certain that the iTunes Passes were counted towards the sales.
Anyway, I wouldn't trust Lyndsay Parker to get all of her facts straight, so whatever, Lyndsay.
Anyway, I wouldn't trust Lyndsay Parker to get all of her facts straight, so whatever, Lyndsay.
Good point. As much as I really hate No Boundaries (and I do) I often wonder if they had kept that song in the set if it would have helped Kris with name recognition in the long run.
On the other hand, it got little radio play, sucked and pretty much left a gaping hole of white noise in his set while on tour. But people did buy the thing. (including me - lol) But Oprah didn't love it... now if Oprah had loved it I'd say keep it in the set for sure.