Canadian Idol Fans Watching American Idol

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I don't know whether this is good or bad or what, but LLWD hasn't made any more dramatic falls in the past couple of days. When you think that last Sunday it was at #40, and now it's #77, I guess that's not good. But in the past couple of days it's only dropped from #72 to #74 to #77. If it would only go up a couple of numbers I would be a happy guy. Anyhow, people are still buying it.

I keep saying to myself: his label could not have wanted it to open big, or they would have given it more publicity and a big push. I really suspect they wanted it to open kind of medium, and were thinking that they'd build it slowly over time, which would be better for him -- better than the usual opening-big-and-then-plummeting thing. Now, whether they thought it would go this low before its big add day, I don't know. I doubt it. But what I'm curious about is, when it is added, what kind of publicity will there be? Do you think there will be any?

I'm also curious about the video. This year, TRL went off the air. This was how people (mainly kids) saw videos. In the US, there's MTV and there's VH1, and that's about it. MTV tried a friday night show called FNMTV, with Pete Wentz, that showcased videos and live acts. It was great, but it didn't come back this season.

So, videos are on YouTube, but that's more or less a case of, if you like the artist, you'll watch. TRL sort of forced you to watch, no matter what. It got kids interested in artists, publicized musicians, gave them a live showcase on TV. I think it made stars, in some cases. All gone, now.

 

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I keep saying to myself: his label could not have wanted it to open big, or they would have given it more publicity and a big push. I really suspect they wanted it to open kind of medium, and were thinking that they'd build it slowly over time, which would be better for him -- better than the usual opening-big-and-then-plummeting thing. Now, whether they thought it would go this low before its big add day, I don't know. I doubt it. But what I'm curious about is, when it is added, what kind of publicity will there be? Do you think there will be any?

I think you're right - they seem to have wanted it to open moderately well. I think they would have been overjoyed if it had sprung up the charts But I don't think they expected it to do that. He did press on a lot of syndicated shows that play in a lot of markets, so that covered a lot of ground with relatively little time input.

Considering that he had to finish the album, I think he and the label did what they could do press wise. He's only one guy afterall (and yes, he has a wife that might want to see him occasionally). I think he will be doing more press for sure. He's got the GMA thing, the Bosom Ball, the Fray thing, the Vineyard thing. All of these occasions will give him an opportunity to network. And people who meet Kris tend to really like him so that will lead to other things. That Portland radio station for example sounded like they wanted him to come up there too.

I think the song will do better when more people hear it. I was talking about Kris at work today and no one knew he had a single out. So there is still an untapped market there.

It's too bad about TRL not operating anymore. MOD still plays a few videos (very few) and Much More Music has a new show that plays videos, MTV Canada can't play videos really due to their licensing. But videos are available not just on youtube, but on MTV.com, Muchmusic.com, Yahoo, AOL, and itunes. So a lot of online places -- but also cellphones. I miss the days of the videos on TV. I also miss Much Music talking about Music. Crazy I know..
(I must be old)

 

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He's only one guy afterall (and yes, he has a wife that might want to see him occasionally). I think he will be doing more press for sure. He's got the GMA thing, the Bosom Ball, the Fray thing, the Vineyard thing. All of these occasions will give him an opportunity to network.

I think the song will do better when more people hear it. I was talking about Kris at work today and no one knew he had a single out. So there is still an untapped market there.

Well, the things you mention (exept for GMA) don't reach a big audience. They can't hurt, of course. But I don't think that's what I meant. I meant nationwide (or larger) exposure. Advertising, publicty tour, TV appearances, etc. That's the only way I can see a single by a new artist reaching a wide audience quickly. You hit the nail on the head when you said the song will do better when more people hear it. But it really has to be a large number of people, and I think it has to be sold to them.

MOD still plays a few videos (very few).

If they don't play videos, what's the content of the show now?

But videos are available not just on youtube, but on MTV.com, Muchmusic.com, Yahoo, AOL, and itunes. So a lot of online places -- but also cellphones.

The problem with this is, unlike TV, you don't really get exposed to what you don't want to watch. You choose what to watch. Also, you may see something once and never really give it a chance to grow on you. And on TRL you also had the artist appearing live, and that tied in with the video and the song. It helped if the artist was good looking, charming, funny, etc. This is how someone like Pete Wentz became famous. Kris is made for TV. He probably needs TV to sell himself, in my opinion. His label should get him on TV as much as possible.

 

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That's the only way I can see a single by a new artist reaching a wide audience quickly. You hit the nail on the head when you said the song will do better when more people hear it. But it really has to be a large number of people, and I think it has to be sold to them.

True, I don't know what their plan is to expose the song. Maybe just plain old grassroots hard work.

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If they don't play videos, what's the content of the show now?

They play 5 - 10 video throughout the hour. It's supposed to be a countdown show, but the videos are secondary to whatever they have going on. Usually it's a guest in to talk or a performance like Marianas Trench did the other day. Then they talk about pop culture news.

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The problem with this is, unlike TV, you don't really get exposed to what you don't want to watch. You choose what to watch. Also, you may see something once and never really give it a chance to grow on you. And on TRL you also had the artist appearing live, and that tied in with the video and the song. It helped if the artist was good looking, charming, funny, etc. This is how someone like Pete Wentz became famous. Kris is made for TV. He probably needs TV to sell himself, in my opinion. His label should get him on TV as much as possible.

That's a good point. And I throughly agree. I was surprised after Idol finished by how funny and witty Kris is, they didn't show a lot of that side of him on AI. Or maybe I missed a lot of the show and didn't notice it until later when I rewatched the earlier episodes.

 

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I was surprised after Idol finished by how funny and witty Kris is, they didn't show a lot of that side of him on AI. Or maybe I missed a lot of the show and didn't notice it until later when I rewatched the earlier episodes.

I don't remember his being funny or witty on the show, but then I don't think they give them much opportunity to show a lot of that; they don't talk much. I never knew Matty was so funny until he was interviewed by Slezak. I don't remember when I first realized Kris was funny. Ever since I saw the interview he and Jesse Langseth did, though, I thought he was a cool guy.

 

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The other thing is, I think he was pretty nervous for a lot of the early part of the show. And he wasn't alone, they all were. Most of them have said so. Think about it -- going from realitve obsurity to live TV in front of millions -- and even shown worldwide. I'd be ****ting bricks.

 

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So is missaddicted in Clifton Park now? I kind of lost track.

Oh, and on mj's blog people are still claiming the AI tour sold well because of Adam, AI's ratings were good because of Adam, and now if he sings this song on the Academy Awards, the ratings will be good because of Adam. (Yeah, there are no real stars at the Academy Awards -- people will only be tuning in to watch Adam Lambert.) Excuse me, but hasn't the AI tour always done well? Hasn't AI always done well? And the Oscars? Put him on a show with low ratings and if they suddenly shoot up when he's on, then you can say he did it. Otherwise, stfu.

 

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LOL - I'd be hiding behind the couch. It's pretty remarkable really.

So is missaddicted in Clifton Park now? I kind of lost track.

I think so.. She is squeeing as we type.

 

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Oops, I was editing my latest rant while you posted.

I wonder if there's a David Cook cellcast tonight?

 

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Oh, and blowing up the Christ statue in Rio harbor? That's the kind of thing Hollywood does that I find really tasteless. And I don't find a lot of stuff tasteless. Not even the Sex Pistols.

 

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Not even Cannibal Corpse.

And I see now it didn't actually blow up. It kind of crumbled, in a highly depressing and symbolic Hollywood way. In fact, I have no idea what is going on in that clip. I think Adam's high notes actually shattered the statue.

 

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I just read this comment under an article about President Obama winning the Nobel prize:

I can understand people feeling that one should have to have done something tangible and astounding in order to win a Nobel Peace Prize, but why is everyone so mad at Obama. He had nothing to do with the decision, direct your anger toward the committee that made the decision.

It's just like when Kris Allen won American Idol instead of Adam Lambert, everyone was so angry at poor Kris Allen, when all he did was accept a title that was given to him, what else could either one of them do?

 

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Excuse me, but hasn't the AI tour always done well? Hasn't AI always done well? And the Oscars? Put him on a show with low ratings and if they suddenly shoot up when he's on, then you can say he did it. Otherwise, stfu.

LMAO. They are all excited, so they get a pass from me. But, yeah. I will hate this movie it's pretty much guaranteed. I hate every other movie that these people have made, so it's a given. (Sorry john Cusak - I love you - but why are you in this movie?) I think the song will be a big hit, but really.. I don't like that 30 seconds all that much.

I like that we're already going for an Oscar though. That's pretty sweet. 30 seconds and ... boom ...nominated.

I actually wish I liked it more, and maybe I will once the whole song is played. I'm holding out hope that the dancy electronic vibe will be more my thing.

It's just like when Kris Allen won American Idol instead of Adam Lambert, everyone was so angry at poor Kris Allen, when all he did was accept a title that was given to him, what else could either one of them do?

Oh, poor Kris Allen.. lmao. Why rock the house of course.

 

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I'm weak.

I just downloaded the Carly Rae Jepson/ Josh Ramsay song.. ugh. I never really liked Carly Rae all the much. Now I like 3 of her songs. I might have to buy the album... help me.

YouTube - Sour Candy (Radio Edit) [feat. Josh Ramsay] - Carly Rae Jepsen

 

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See the "blowing things up good" is pretty much the plot of all their movies. So essentially I've already watched the movie. And I didn't like it.

HI Jemma! (still having trouble posting I guess)

ETA: If Adam has Gerald Eaton or Jon Levine writing on his Album, I'll be all over it. I know Gerald wrote with Adam, so I'm hoping that their collaboration makes the album. I don't know what kind of chance it has against Ryan Teddar.. but I'm hoping.

 

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I just downloaded the Carly Rae Jepson/ Josh Ramsay song.. ugh. I never really liked Carly Rae all the much. Now I like 3 of her songs. I might have to buy the album... help me.

Will this help? (At @ 3:00.)

Dailymotion - CI5 EP4 Part7 - a Music video

Thanks, igrecman!

I remember not liking this totally when I first saw it. I mean, she's sincere but she's also acting a little bit. I don't know. My bull**** detector is pretty good. I don't think she's fake, but she's just not totally not fake, either. Know what I mean?

As a singer she's not one of my faves at all.

I've been trying to find a video I used to like when Josh Ramsay pranks Jacob when he's singing Trip, I think. He comes out in a thong and straddles Jacob, and it's so cool because Jacob not only doesn't get flustered but he makes an ass out of Josh. He even kind of wrestles him down, and he doesn't weigh that much. Sheer will power. I can't find it, though.

 

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Thanks, Lol - that helps a little bit. Hee Montana! And Tyler! Wonder where they are..? And Carly... yeah she bugged me on the show. But when she said that she wanted it bad. She actually did. She's been working hard. I can respect that. (plus I actually like her music.. I KNOW! Strange but true)

On the show Carly came off really cutesy, which is one of the reasons I didn't get her.

 

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They are all excited, so they get a pass from me.

Well, ya know, I figured I could safely lurk there, it wasn't about Kris so wtf could they say that would bug me, right? But there was a snarking question about whether it was an original or a cover, and maybe it's a B side by the Script, and it was only released in Germany. No pass!

 

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But there was a snarking question about whether it was an original or a cover, and maybe it's a B side by the Script, and it was only released in Germany. No pass!

Oh Yeah!?! Bastards!

ETA: Hey! I can say Bastards

 

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HA! I was going to call them bastards, too. Then I thought I'd be censored. Guess not. Bastards!!!

Still trying to figure out how she balanced on those heels even when she crouched down. She has a cute 'young Shirley MacLaine' thing going on. But I haven't been able to listen to her when there have been links on TWoP. I don't know, her voice just doesn't sit well with me for some reason. (I've tried.)

You may have noticed I don't like a lot of girl singers who are on Idol shows. Not sure why that is.