Canadian Grand Prix Returns

Jinentonix

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Wow, Super Dupe handed F1 over $36 million in taxpayer dollars to keep the race in Montreal through to 2029. The richest goddam sport on the planet needs an infusion of Canadian tax payer dollars? Sure wish f*cknuts had been that generous with the victims of the Alberta wildfires or the floods in Ontario. Oh that's right, those people were merely low-life, working class peons, not big self-important rich people like Trudeau.
 

Jinentonix

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So, you don't think any government money should be provided to any tourism-related ventures, is that correct?
Yeah, that's exactly what I said :roll: Why do so many people have an issue about Conservatives giving our money to the wealthy elite but never seem to bat an eye when the Liberals do it? In fact, they even make excuses for it like trying to say it's about tourism or yammer on about the economic benefits. Are you suggesting that Montreal has so little tourism the other 364 days a year that Trudeau needed to give $36 million to F1 for a once a year weekend event?

F1 is owned by Liberty Media, a massive company with revenues of $4.8 billion in 2015. Look at the sponsors of the sport, some of the wealthiest companies on the planet sponsor F1. Why do they need our money?
The Canadian Grand Prix has been called the biggest sports event in Canada. That may well be true, but that doesn’t explain why our taxpayer money should be going towards it. In fact, if it’s so big, shouldn’t it have made enough money that it doesn’t need an infusion of taxpayer dollars?
Those in power are also spreading one of the oldest lies in the book. They talk about all the economic benefit that the Grand Prix brings, as if that is the justification for spending tens of millions.

It’s a fallacy.

They never explain the possible benefit of that money going elsewhere, or staying in our pockets. Sure, spending money on a Grand Prix might bring in some sponsors and have what seems like a tangible benefit, but keeping that $36.2 million in taxpayers hands would create thousands of smaller transactions throughout the economy that would bring actual tangible benefits.

The only problem is that those benefits would be more spread out, and wouldn’t show up on a TV screen the same way – so the government wouldn’t get credit for it.
 

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I guess that is one way to make sure the potholes on a few streets are fixed. Why not just have then drive from Manitoba to Alberta using whatever route they wish?
 

TenPenny

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Yeah, that's exactly what I said :roll: Why do so many people have an issue about Conservatives giving our money to the wealthy elite but never seem to bat an eye when the Liberals do it? In fact, they even make excuses for it like trying to say it's about tourism or yammer on about the economic benefits. Are you suggesting that Montreal has so little tourism the other 364 days a year that Trudeau needed to give $36 million to F1 for a once a year weekend event?

F1 is owned by Liberty Media, a massive company with revenues of $4.8 billion in 2015. Look at the sponsors of the sport, some of the wealthiest companies on the planet sponsor F1. Why do they need our money?
The Canadian Grand Prix has been called the biggest sports event in Canada. That may well be true, but that doesn’t explain why our taxpayer money should be going towards it. In fact, if it’s so big, shouldn’t it have made enough money that it doesn’t need an infusion of taxpayer dollars?
Those in power are also spreading one of the oldest lies in the book. They talk about all the economic benefit that the Grand Prix brings, as if that is the justification for spending tens of millions.

It’s a fallacy.

They never explain the possible benefit of that money going elsewhere, or staying in our pockets. Sure, spending money on a Grand Prix might bring in some sponsors and have what seems like a tangible benefit, but keeping that $36.2 million in taxpayers hands would create thousands of smaller transactions throughout the economy that would bring actual tangible benefits.

The only problem is that those benefits would be more spread out, and wouldn’t show up on a TV screen the same way – so the government wouldn’t get credit for it.



The race brings approximately $42 million per year in benefits from people who don't live in Montreal, just to the downtown hotel/restaurant/shopping area.


That figure does not include the economic benefit to the greater Montreal area, nor does it include the extra spending by Montreal residents.


So, apparently, you don't like the government investing in tourism activities that bring in vastly more money to the area than they cost.
 

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Why not build a brand new track that is super smooth rather than city streets that have been resurfaced many times. It can bring in tourist dollars many times a year and no expense caused by blocking and unblocking city streets. Just because that route was used whe horses and wagons were the norm is no reason to hold onto it as a 'tradition'. Is this F1 with the top gear removed??
 

TenPenny

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Why not build a brand new track that is super smooth rather than city streets that have been resurfaced many times. It can bring in tourist dollars many times a year and no expense caused by blocking and unblocking city streets. Just because that route was used whe horses and wagons were the norm is no reason to hold onto it as a 'tradition'. Is this F1 with the top gear removed??



You mean like they have in Montreal?
 

MHz

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This is Montreal. A track cobbled up by using city streets.



This is the track in Russia.



The track from Japan wouldn't post.
 

Hoof Hearted

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Isn't this the sport where you drink beer and watch a bunch of redneck hillbillies turn left for 2 hours? Or am I thinking of NASCAR. I get the two confused.

Besides, I'd rather do a handstand naked and drink my own pee than watch car racing.
 

MHz

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That is NASCAR. America's Indy cars are similar to F-! except they are about 1/2 as fast and steer like a truck compared. With you ass an few inches off the road you had best go around any manhole.

OMG ass is no longer a banned word. Hell has frozen over.
 
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Curious Cdn

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This is Montreal. A track cobbled up by using city streets.



This is the track in Russia.



The track from Japan wouldn't post.

Your "cobbled up, city streets" track is on an artificial island that was built by spoil from the construction of the Metro subway system fifty years ago. It was then part of the site of Expo' 67 and then parkland after that. Ile Notre Dame was never part of the city and the roadway was purpose-built for Grande Prix racing, only.

BTW, Montreal is so old that the adjacent streets on Montreal Island actually are real cobblestone on some layer down.

You are confusing the Montreal Grand Prix with the Toronto Indy car race, which is run on city streets.
 

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That won't look good on my resume now will it. I might have to go east some day in the next lifetime.
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Curious Cdn

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I come from Montreal and I remember when the island was built and all of the uses it was put to since then. That circuit was designed and built to run Grand Prix races and nothing less.
 

MHz

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Shame really but then when cigs couldn't advertise that dried up the money that was flooding the racing circuits.