Canada's Oil Reserves Attract U.S., As American Media Talk

Vanni Fucci

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bluealberta said:
Fort Mac is okay all on its own. Bet you wish you had resources like this in Manitoba, then you could be a have province too. Oh well, maybe next time around.

No that's ok blue, you can keep it...we're developing technology to harvest mosquito shit that we are certain will revolutionize the energy industry around the globe...a completely renewable resource... :wink:
 

Toro

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Reverend Blair said:
trade experts from both countries have agreed that the agreement, through favoured nation status, guarantees energy to the US as if it were Canada.

Who, Linda McQuaig? Mel Hurtig? Name them. Show me where these "experts" give such opinions. There is absolutely nothing in the agreement to support your claim that Canada cannot cut back levels of energy exports based on consumption. Nothing. Its Leftist spin away from the truth about what the agreement says to advance a dogmatic agenda.

Reverend Blair said:
Trying to ignore or downplay Canada's reserves in the oil fields is another little trick they like to try..."Oh, that part doesn't count because it's inconvenient." We have 179 billion barrels and the US only has 22 billion barrels, so Toro tries to hide 170 billion barrels through parsing words.

Wrong. You had said there were no reserves in America. I showed otherwise. Not only that, but I linked it. But you dodge away from what you said. The fact that America is on the right side of the curve does not diminish the fact that the US has more conventional reserves than Canada. (And let's not forget that Canada supplies 7% of America's energy needs so we don't overinflate our importance.) The reason why I differentiated the oil sands is because if oil doesn't remain above $40, the tar sands aren't viable under current technology. Nice spinning though Rev.

Reverend Blair said:
The exclusion of an export tax is a brutal piece of chicanery that could only be thought up by corporatist greed heads. It limits our options when it comes to trade disputes. Our energy supplies are basically like holding all of the aces. NAFTA neatly keeps us from playing those aces though.

You whine about the Americans using questionable trade tactics - and rightfully so I might add - but then you lament that Canada can't use even more egregious trade tactics. You want it both ways. Its hypocritical.
 

Reverend Blair

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Re: Canada's Oil Reserves Attract U.S., As American Media Ta

What's the matter, Toro? Don't like Mel Hurtig and Linda McQuaig? Too damned bad, they are Canadians and they talk back.

How do you feel about the Council of Canadians? Notice the last word there? Canadians.

Just to make you happy I put up one to McQuaig, one to Hurtig, one to the Council of Canadians, and one to David Orchard who seems to be the last real conservative in Canada. Notice that last word there? Canada.

I realise that these people scare the crap out of people like you who contend that George Bush and his greed hogs should rule the world. I understand that you see nothing wrong with bullying developing nations, pushing anyone you can around, invading countries for their natural resources, profitting from the suffering of others, torturing people who are being held without charge or evidence, and just generally acting like really stupid and arrogant Hell's Angel shaking down the world for every cent you can.

Canadians do not agree with that sort of thing though. Stay in Florida.

David Orchard

Council of Canadians

Mel Hurtig
 

Jay

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RE: Canada's Oil Reserves Attract U.S., As American Media Ta

I read the David Orchard stuff....you say he " seems to be the last real conservative in Canada."

He doesn't even believe in Free trade...it was the "old" conservatives who brought that in...the PC party...

Now I have a question...why is it that people like your self Rev, feel the need to tell conservatives how they should be?

Sure the conservatives may have started things like the CBC and the wheat board, but we don't need things like that anymore...so we move on...and the left wants to keep them. I thought it was the right who were the traditionalists...and wouldn't move on...I don't get it.
 

Reverend Blair

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Re: Canada's Oil Reserves Attract U.S., As American Media Ta

I read the David Orchard stuff....you say he " seems to be the last real conservative in Canada."

Are you familiar with the history of the Conservative Party in Canada?

He doesn't even believe in Free trade

Are you familiar with the history of the Conservative Party in Canada?


Sure the conservatives may have started things like the CBC and the wheat board, but we don't need things like that anymore.

Who says we don't need them? You?

I thought it was the right who were the traditionalists...and wouldn't move on...I don't get it.

I don't get why you guys don't call yourselves The Radical Neo-Liberal Economic Party. A little truth in political advertising...
 

Jay

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RE: Canada's Oil Reserves Attract U.S., As American Media Ta

Well I was being serious...

I'm sorta familiar with the history of the PC party...and Mulroney was part of that.

No it isn't just me who thinks we don't need these things anymore....I'm just one of many.

It maybe that we conservatives have elements in common with the Republican party of the US, but good ideas travel...I would rather that than be linked to their enemies....

I was sort of hoping you would answer this question..."Now I have a question...why is it that people like your self Rev, feel the need to tell conservatives how they should be? "

You don't like the new conservatives...didn't like the old ones...now lefties are saying "your not progressive anymore...your neo-cons"

I thought I would ask you, since I thought you would know.
 

Jay

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Reverend Blair said:
This is kind of fun :lol:

Your drinking again... :wink:
 

Reverend Blair

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Re: Canada's Oil Reserves Attract U.S., As American Media Ta

Your drinking again..

Just coffee.

I'm sorta failure with the history of the PC party...and Mulroney was part of that.

Mulroney was the end of that, especially with free trade. Traditionally Canadian conservatives stood against it.

No it isn't just me who thinks we don't need these things anymore....I'm just one of many.

Not that many.

It maybe that we conservatives have elements in common with the Republican party of the US, but good ideas travel.

The best ideas travel the furthest. Europe is further away than the US.

I was sorts hoping you would answer this question..."Now I have a question...why is it that people like your self Rev, feel the need to tell conservatives how they should be? "

Conservatives can be any way they want. What would be appreciated is that they would be honest about it in their policies. If they want to get rich by screwing the average person, why the hell are they so afraid to stand up and say so?

It would also be dandy if they lived up to the failures of their policies. Think about the debt crisis, since that's going to be news this weekend. How come not one, NOT ONE, leader who championed the policies that lead to the debt crisis has stood up and said, "Whoa, we f**cked up big time time here. If these countries who owe so much wanted, they could drag us into court and have these debts cancelled as odious debt."

Instead they are acting all sanctimonious and pretending that they will forgive the debt. That is, of course, as long as the indebted countries meet their their terms and conditions and the G-8 countries do not have to admit their own part in causing the crisis.

You don't like the new conservatives...didn't like the old ones...now lefties are saying "your not progressive anymore...your neo-cons"

I also don't like the Liberals and am not a big fan of the Democrats.. So what? The right, and that includes the Liberals and the Democrats, have been instituting the same policies for a quarter of a century and things have gotten worse, not better. I've seen the harm that these policies do, I understand how ludicrous the doctrine of unlimited growth with limited resources is, I comprehend the destructiveness inherent in consumerism and unfettered capitalism, so I speak out against it.

In the quarter century since the right took over I have not seen a leader from the right who possessed any vision beyond financial gain.

I would like answers to the questions though...if you will

Does any of that answer any of your questions, Jay?

How about the Group of Revisionist Encephalitic Endtime Dogmatists? That's be a good name for the Harperites, I think.
 

Jay

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"Does any of that answer any of your questions, Jay?"

Thats a good start, thanks.
 

Jay

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RE: Canada's Oil Reserves Attract U.S., As American Media Ta

"Just coffee."

Irish coffee... :wink: