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What right do you have to bash the elected govener of a province you don't even live in?
Also not any idiot could have done it, Klein made alot of cuts to get us debt free, some institutions in Alberta are desperate for money, but with the political fat cut away and the province debt free we can now give them that money without harming our future budget. Its a choice we made by majority. Klein has been effective and respected by Albertians even if the rest of Canada is envious, which they shouldn't be because with Ontario now in debt Alberta is the only province paying into the transfer program. I have no problem with supporting the rest of Canada, what I do have a problem with is when the national government targets us for verbal and economic abuse, thats just idiotic.
Further more, to those who complain about Alberta not voting Liberal in the federal election, its kinda hard when those said Liberals insult us during the election, aka Paul Martin. What do you expect, you can slap us and we will thank you and give you our vote?
:Edit: I will say that if money is not reinvested into Alberta I will be mighty pissed off. I don't want a hog wild spending spree and to go back into debt, but now is the time to reinvest.
What right do you have to bash the elected govener of a province you don't even live in?
Also not any idiot could have done it, Klein made alot of cuts to get us debt free, some institutions in Alberta are desperate for money, but with the political fat cut away and the province debt free we can now give them that money without harming our future budget. Its a choice we made by majority. Klein has been effective and respected by Albertians even if the rest of Canada is envious, which they shouldn't be because with Ontario now in debt Alberta is the only province paying into the transfer program. I have no problem with supporting the rest of Canada, what I do have a problem with is when the national government targets us for verbal and economic abuse, thats just idiotic.
Further more, to those who complain about Alberta not voting Liberal in the federal election, its kinda hard when those said Liberals insult us during the election, aka Paul Martin. What do you expect, you can slap us and we will thank you and give you our vote?
:Edit: I will say that if money is not reinvested into Alberta I will be mighty pissed off. I don't want a hog wild spending spree and to go back into debt, but now is the time to reinvest.
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Some excellent points. Seems to be the Canadian way to denigrate success, and use all sorts of excuses as to why no one else can be successful. We did not even appreciate Gretzky until he went to LA. :wink: Maybe instead of always running down Alberta, the naysayers should look at what has been successful, copy it, and improve on the areas that have not been so successful.
And you are right, not anyone could have done what Ralph did. Getty, the most liberal conservative we ever saw, tried to run the province like a liberal, and all that did was get us into further debt, just as most liberals and NDP parties and politicians tend to do. Then the conservatives have to come along and clean things up, which usually means cutting programs, which the left then seize on as proof of their "heartlessness". Maybe if the left wing parties had any kind of business acumen, the right wing parties would not always have to clean up the messes left behind by the left. Happens all the time, but the left wing spinners will tell you that everything is the rights fault, and they are the only ones able to fix things. Which is an absolute lie and should not be tolerated.
Colin said:
Some excellent points. Seems to be the Canadian way to denigrate success, and use all sorts of excuses as to why no one else can be successful. We did not even appreciate Gretzky until he went to LA. :wink: Maybe instead of always running down Alberta, the naysayers should look at what has been successful, copy it, and improve on the areas that have not been so successful.
And you are right, not anyone could have done what Ralph did. Getty, the most liberal conservative we ever saw, tried to run the province like a liberal, and all that did was get us into further debt, just as most liberals and NDP parties and politicians tend to do. Then the conservatives have to come along and clean things up, which usually means cutting programs, which the left then seize on as proof of their "heartlessness". Maybe if the left wing parties had any kind of business acumen, the right wing parties would not always have to clean up the messes left behind by the left. Happens all the time, but the left wing spinners will tell you that everything is the rights fault, and they are the only ones able to fix things. Which is an absolute lie and should not be tolerated.
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We call them "Premiers" up here, Colin. Governor (note the correct spelling) is an American term for the leader of one of their states.
We call them "Premiers" up here, Colin. Governor (note the correct spelling) is an American term for the leader of one of their states.
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Most of us who can get by the small error think his points are valid.
Reverend Blair said:
Most of us who can get by the small error think his points are valid.
Re: Canada's Oil Reserves Attract U.S., As American Media Ta
Well of course you do...
bluealberta said:
Well of course you do...
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It wasn't that RATHER LARGE error that indicated his points weren't valid. You would certainly correct me if I referred to Ralphie as Dictator for Life of the Republic of Alberta too.
Those points aren't valid and have been refuted on this board several times.
It wasn't that RATHER LARGE error that indicated his points weren't valid. You would certainly correct me if I referred to Ralphie as Dictator for Life of the Republic of Alberta too.
Those points aren't valid and have been refuted on this board several times.
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Ah, but you are just more subtle, you call Ralph a drunken old redneck. So please, let me correct you. Again. Ralph does not drink, and is not a redneck.
Reverend Blair said:
Ah, but you are just more subtle, you call Ralph a drunken old redneck. So please, let me correct you. Again. Ralph does not drink, and is not a redneck.
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Why would it matter what anyone calls Ralph Klein, blue?
Are you his lover?
Why would it matter what anyone calls Ralph Klein, blue?
Are you his lover?
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What I call Ralph is quite different than mistaking the name of a high governmental office, Blue...especially when somebody is telling me that I have no right to criticise the policies that office is carrying out.
What I call Ralph is quite different than mistaking the name of a high governmental office, Blue...especially when somebody is telling me that I have no right to criticise the policies that office is carrying out.
Re: Canada's Oil Reserves Attract U.S., As American Media Ta
Everyone has the right to criticize the governors of any of the provinces.
Who cares if Ralph's a drunk redneck? Hey Blue, remember when the federal Tories all lined up behind Nancy Betkowski to replace Getty. She was (with a lilt in the voice)a progressive, bilingual female and she'd give such a nice, proper image of Alberta to eastern Canada. Well, the good ol' boys on the farms wouldn't have any of that and Ralphie crushed her in the election. That was great. Then she got married, changed her name, became the Liberal leader and faded into obscurity. Then that same federal bunch foisted Kim Campbell on us. Well played there, guys.
Everyone has the right to criticize the governors of any of the provinces.
Who cares if Ralph's a drunk redneck? Hey Blue, remember when the federal Tories all lined up behind Nancy Betkowski to replace Getty. She was (with a lilt in the voice)a progressive, bilingual female and she'd give such a nice, proper image of Alberta to eastern Canada. Well, the good ol' boys on the farms wouldn't have any of that and Ralphie crushed her in the election. That was great. Then she got married, changed her name, became the Liberal leader and faded into obscurity. Then that same federal bunch foisted Kim Campbell on us. Well played there, guys.
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It's great news....were going to be rich!
PS...The US isn't going to invade us over this. That idea is simply anti-Americanism at work.
Think about the money we stand to make, not about how can we bash America with this good news (everyone).
Reverend Blair said:
It's great news....were going to be rich!
PS...The US isn't going to invade us over this. That idea is simply anti-Americanism at work.
Think about the money we stand to make, not about how can we bash America with this good news (everyone).
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Plus, its such a hassle coming across the border. I usually have to stand in line for 5 or 10 minutes and make small talk with the customs agent. I mean, really, is that all worth it?
Plus, its such a hassle coming across the border. I usually have to stand in line for 5 or 10 minutes and make small talk with the customs agent. I mean, really, is that all worth it?
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So, Toro, what do you think of the new candidates for governor of Montana? I just love conservative jokes, they are so subtle that the left buys into it hook line and sinker. Imagine, the big bad US wanting to take over Canada.
And the left fell for it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)
Toro said:
So, Toro, what do you think of the new candidates for governor of Montana? I just love conservative jokes, they are so subtle that the left buys into it hook line and sinker. Imagine, the big bad US wanting to take over Canada.
And the left fell for it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)
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a panel sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations wants the United States to focus not on the defense of our own borders, but rather create what effectively would be a common border that includes Mexico and Canada.
.... On Capitol Hill, testimony calling for Americans to start thinking like citizens of North America and treat the U.S., Mexico and Canada like one big country.
ROBERT PASTOR, IND. TASK FORCE ON NORTH AMERICA: The best way to secure the United States today is not at our two borders with Mexico and Canada, but at the borders of North America as a whole.
ROMANS: That's the view in a report called "Building a North American Community." It envisions a common border around the U.S., Mexico and Canada in just five years, a border pass for residents of the three countries, and a freer flow of goods and people.
PASTOR: What we hope to accomplish by 2010 is a common external tariff which will mean that goods can move easily across the border. We want a common security perimeter around all of North America, so as to ease the travel of people within North America.
ROMANS: Buried in 49 pages of recommendations from the task force, the brief mention, "We must maintain respect for each other's sovereignty." But security experts say folding Mexico and Canada into the U.S. is a grave breach of that sovereignty.
http://www.desertinvasion.us/articles/art2005jun10.html
That bit from the link is saying what we fear they are saying.
It won't hae to be tottaly offical either, just more of the security and border and trade agreements that gives America more control of Canada.
Having a Common Military is the most scary one, to me.
Just look at the abuses, the violations of soverienty,and the "whatever it takes" attitude. Canadians could not tolerate such an evil linkage.
Its bad enough as it is - our oil, as stated before in this thread, is owned by American oilgiants anyhow. They pay us, true enough, but not enough. I bet its just royalties we get, and Ralph reduced that rate substantially for the sake of the tar sands operations. Also, he reduced or eliminated royalties on the natural gas being used to process the tar sands into crude oil, natural gas that we could sell "as is" for a much better return as natural gas rather than fuels for makung crude just cuz the Americans want crude.
So we are being ripped off now, thanks to American worshippers like Klein.
Now imagine if we were folded into America - the oil money would be going to military instead of social programs. Thats the Elite agenda, it serves them so much better than social programs.
a panel sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations wants the United States to focus not on the defense of our own borders, but rather create what effectively would be a common border that includes Mexico and Canada.
.... On Capitol Hill, testimony calling for Americans to start thinking like citizens of North America and treat the U.S., Mexico and Canada like one big country.
ROBERT PASTOR, IND. TASK FORCE ON NORTH AMERICA: The best way to secure the United States today is not at our two borders with Mexico and Canada, but at the borders of North America as a whole.
ROMANS: That's the view in a report called "Building a North American Community." It envisions a common border around the U.S., Mexico and Canada in just five years, a border pass for residents of the three countries, and a freer flow of goods and people.
PASTOR: What we hope to accomplish by 2010 is a common external tariff which will mean that goods can move easily across the border. We want a common security perimeter around all of North America, so as to ease the travel of people within North America.
ROMANS: Buried in 49 pages of recommendations from the task force, the brief mention, "We must maintain respect for each other's sovereignty." But security experts say folding Mexico and Canada into the U.S. is a grave breach of that sovereignty.
http://www.desertinvasion.us/articles/art2005jun10.html
That bit from the link is saying what we fear they are saying.
It won't hae to be tottaly offical either, just more of the security and border and trade agreements that gives America more control of Canada.
Having a Common Military is the most scary one, to me.
Just look at the abuses, the violations of soverienty,and the "whatever it takes" attitude. Canadians could not tolerate such an evil linkage.
Its bad enough as it is - our oil, as stated before in this thread, is owned by American oilgiants anyhow. They pay us, true enough, but not enough. I bet its just royalties we get, and Ralph reduced that rate substantially for the sake of the tar sands operations. Also, he reduced or eliminated royalties on the natural gas being used to process the tar sands into crude oil, natural gas that we could sell "as is" for a much better return as natural gas rather than fuels for makung crude just cuz the Americans want crude.
So we are being ripped off now, thanks to American worshippers like Klein.
Now imagine if we were folded into America - the oil money would be going to military instead of social programs. Thats the Elite agenda, it serves them so much better than social programs.
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I get tired of being bashed by the rest of Canada for having made our choice, elected Ralph and now because of that we are the brunt of everyone else's scorn. No Ralph isn't perfect, but have you taken a look at the Liberal Party, or for that matter have you gone to a confrence in Alberta to listen to our Parties present their platform. I must say I was completely turned off the the Liberal Party in the last election, I won't go through everything that was wrong with their platform because it would take to long, suffice to say it was like reading a horrible essay that only had one point and the rest was filler. Back on topic I think its great that we have a commercial export which not only benifits Alberta but Canada as well, if we could stop bickering and fighting like children over table scraps, this is a prime oppertunity.
I get tired of being bashed by the rest of Canada for having made our choice, elected Ralph and now because of that we are the brunt of everyone else's scorn. No Ralph isn't perfect, but have you taken a look at the Liberal Party, or for that matter have you gone to a confrence in Alberta to listen to our Parties present their platform. I must say I was completely turned off the the Liberal Party in the last election, I won't go through everything that was wrong with their platform because it would take to long, suffice to say it was like reading a horrible essay that only had one point and the rest was filler. Back on topic I think its great that we have a commercial export which not only benifits Alberta but Canada as well, if we could stop bickering and fighting like children over table scraps, this is a prime oppertunity.
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It's an opportunity that is being squandered by the bad deal that Ralphie got for Alberta, Colin.
As for our criticisms of Ralph and Alberta...I've been listening to the vile, self-centred crap coming out of your province for a very long time now. Your leaders have bashed every other part of Canada, Canada as a whole, an even international agreements designed to protect the environment so we can do little things like breathe and grow food.
That you are getting back what you've dished out for so long, especially in the context of the political shenanigans being used by your representatives in Ottawa, is not only perfectly fair, but the reactions of right-wing Albertans is predictable.
There are members of your Conservative Party and members on this very board who have suggested that you deserve more votes because you have more money. They call it the democratic deficit even though what they are suggesting is about as undemocratic as things can get.
It's an opportunity that is being squandered by the bad deal that Ralphie got for Alberta, Colin.
As for our criticisms of Ralph and Alberta...I've been listening to the vile, self-centred crap coming out of your province for a very long time now. Your leaders have bashed every other part of Canada, Canada as a whole, an even international agreements designed to protect the environment so we can do little things like breathe and grow food.
That you are getting back what you've dished out for so long, especially in the context of the political shenanigans being used by your representatives in Ottawa, is not only perfectly fair, but the reactions of right-wing Albertans is predictable.
There are members of your Conservative Party and members on this very board who have suggested that you deserve more votes because you have more money. They call it the democratic deficit even though what they are suggesting is about as undemocratic as things can get.
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Now is not the time to be selling our oil assets to the US and China WE should be kepping it for our own use :x Theirs our forward looking politicians at work again :x Ottawa is totaly useless I'm tired of giving them my money :evil:
Now is not the time to be selling our oil assets to the US and China WE should be kepping it for our own use :x Theirs our forward looking politicians at work again :x Ottawa is totaly useless I'm tired of giving them my money :evil:
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I'm less worried about the oil than I am about the relatively clean natural gas that we ship south in massive quantities and squander to get dirty oil out of the oil sands.
Not only is that gas relatively clean, but we use it to heat our homes in the winter.
I'm less worried about the oil than I am about the relatively clean natural gas that we ship south in massive quantities and squander to get dirty oil out of the oil sands.
Not only is that gas relatively clean, but we use it to heat our homes in the winter.
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I beleive a moritorium should be placed on all neww exports of energy till we get a better picture of whats going on with world energy supplys .Your right Rev we live in the frozen north we need our energy :wink:
I beleive a moritorium should be placed on all neww exports of energy till we get a better picture of whats going on with world energy supplys .Your right Rev we live in the frozen north we need our energy :wink: