Canada's Conservatives, Liberals Tied in Latest Poll
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As long as the NDP are doing okay, I am not really concerned of the two main parties. Neither of them will have a majority and we will be voting either this year or next. And the fortunes of the NDP will rise. Hopefully at least.
the problem for the NDP is their fortunes never rise very far. The NDP needs to expand its base.
I, unlike you, do see the Ontario fascist transplanted to Alberta as far worse than the Bahama boat boy.
I, unlike you, do see the Ontario fascist transplanted to Alberta as far worse than the Bahama boat boy.
Lenin - look alike,
Boat Boy
or Fascist Ontarian now in Alberta,
I will still vote for the NDP. I do agree that they will have to open up their base to middle-class people, but I don't know about opening it up to the rich, it might be influenced like the Conservatives and especially the Liberals are.
Boat Boy
or Fascist Ontarian now in Alberta,
I will still vote for the NDP. I do agree that they will have to open up their base to middle-class people, but I don't know about opening it up to the rich, it might be influenced like the Conservatives and especially the Liberals are.
Re: RE: Canada's Conservatives, Liberals Tied in Latest Poll
Nice characterization there kid. I like your style.
the caracal kid said:
Nice characterization there kid. I like your style.
Re: RE: Canada's Conservatives, Liberals Tied in Latest Poll
Let's see.
You have a party with mob connections that has stolen tens of millions of your dollars, truncated your civil rights and ignored the will of Parliament as expressed in a vote, thus rendering Canada a dictatorship, and you have the cojones to call HARPER a fascist?
I suggest you look up fascist in the dictionary.
I don't think it means what you think it means.
the caracal kid said:
Let's see.
You have a party with mob connections that has stolen tens of millions of your dollars, truncated your civil rights and ignored the will of Parliament as expressed in a vote, thus rendering Canada a dictatorship, and you have the cojones to call HARPER a fascist?
I suggest you look up fascist in the dictionary.
I don't think it means what you think it means.
fascist
adj : relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist propaganda" [syn: fascistic] n : an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views
as they say: if the title fits!
amazing how martin can be all the things you said he is and harper is still worse for canada.
enjoy this link! and laugh for once!
http://www.valleyskeptic.com/harper_sponge.html
adj : relating to or characteristic of fascism; "fascist propaganda" [syn: fascistic] n : an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views
as they say: if the title fits!
amazing how martin can be all the things you said he is and harper is still worse for canada.
enjoy this link! and laugh for once!
http://www.valleyskeptic.com/harper_sponge.html
Re: RE: Canada's Conservatives, Liberals Tied in Latest Poll
Hey! I try to maintain my sense of humour.
Will look at the link when I have time. I find it hard to believe anyone reasonable (which you seem to be) thinks Harper would be worse for Canada than the Liberals.
the caracal kid said:
Hey! I try to maintain my sense of humour.
Will look at the link when I have time. I find it hard to believe anyone reasonable (which you seem to be) thinks Harper would be worse for Canada than the Liberals.
I was wondering today:
If the NDP steadily rise in the polls for the next three weeks, but fall flat the night the actual votes are tallied,
- Would that be a case of premature Jack G. Layton???
:hello1: I slay me! I REALLY, REALLY DO!!!
If the NDP steadily rise in the polls for the next three weeks, but fall flat the night the actual votes are tallied,
- Would that be a case of premature Jack G. Layton???
:hello1: I slay me! I REALLY, REALLY DO!!!
Re: RE: Canada's Conservatives, Liberals Tied in Latest Poll
The fact you call Harper a fascist indicates you really have no idea about facscist or Harper. Good God, what does it take for you to not support the Liberals? Millions stolen, Billions wasted, and now more millions made by way of deviousness. Don't you ever get tired of having your money wasted? I value my tax dollars more than you do, and would like to see them spent responsibly, instead of wasted,
Fascist indeed. What a joke.
the caracal kid said:
The fact you call Harper a fascist indicates you really have no idea about facscist or Harper. Good God, what does it take for you to not support the Liberals? Millions stolen, Billions wasted, and now more millions made by way of deviousness. Don't you ever get tired of having your money wasted? I value my tax dollars more than you do, and would like to see them spent responsibly, instead of wasted,
Fascist indeed. What a joke.
Said1 said:
It would be better if his name was Jack U Layton, but it is pretty funny anyway.
PrematureJack U Layton
Re: RE: Canada's Conservatives, Liberals Tied in Latest Poll
firstly, i understand the true harper very well, and the con party. i also understand fascism very well, thank you.
secondly, i do not endorse the liberals, nor have i ever said i do. In fact i have never supported the liberals federally in any way, shape or form.
Why is this some overly simplistic binary thought process with so many? "gee, if you are against the cons you must be liberal", sort of like that line "you are with us or against us".
The SAD reality is that it is better to have money wasted by the liberals than to have the country wasted by the cons. So your out some tax dollars. Are you enjoying a good economy? do you enjoy canada's position in the world?
Now i know you are going to come back yet again and say that means i support the liberals. Well, i will say it again, I DO NOT! I will be open enough to admit when overall they have done a positive job with the country, which is more important than whining about corruption that is present in every party to ever get enough power to divert some funds their own way. This is far better than the wrecks we have seen under cons in the past, which are still not as bad as the wreck a neocon like harper would cause.
So i ask you do you even like canada? if you do why would you want a man who would americanize canada as much as he could get away with, who does not believe all people are created equal and should be treated equal?
Now that i have cleared that up i will say once again for all you binary types that i am most in line politically with the bloc and the NDP (in that order). Now if that is not enough to make your heads spin off, how about the fact that on policy alone i agree slightly more with the harperites than the libs? it just is that the parts of the harperites i disagree with are so digusting and vile i can not see anybody with a conscience supporting those .....
thank you!
bluealberta said:
firstly, i understand the true harper very well, and the con party. i also understand fascism very well, thank you.
secondly, i do not endorse the liberals, nor have i ever said i do. In fact i have never supported the liberals federally in any way, shape or form.
Why is this some overly simplistic binary thought process with so many? "gee, if you are against the cons you must be liberal", sort of like that line "you are with us or against us".
The SAD reality is that it is better to have money wasted by the liberals than to have the country wasted by the cons. So your out some tax dollars. Are you enjoying a good economy? do you enjoy canada's position in the world?
Now i know you are going to come back yet again and say that means i support the liberals. Well, i will say it again, I DO NOT! I will be open enough to admit when overall they have done a positive job with the country, which is more important than whining about corruption that is present in every party to ever get enough power to divert some funds their own way. This is far better than the wrecks we have seen under cons in the past, which are still not as bad as the wreck a neocon like harper would cause.
So i ask you do you even like canada? if you do why would you want a man who would americanize canada as much as he could get away with, who does not believe all people are created equal and should be treated equal?
Now that i have cleared that up i will say once again for all you binary types that i am most in line politically with the bloc and the NDP (in that order). Now if that is not enough to make your heads spin off, how about the fact that on policy alone i agree slightly more with the harperites than the libs? it just is that the parts of the harperites i disagree with are so digusting and vile i can not see anybody with a conscience supporting those .....
thank you!
Well, this one is simple. The conservatives (not the cons, that will soon be the liberals), are the only right of centre party, so if you are against the Conservatives you must be against them.
First, I reject your position that the conservatives will waste the country. Please point out one policy that they have that would do this. Secondly, I live in Alberta, so of course I am enjoying a good economy in spite of the wasteful Liberals.
Thirdly, what is Canadas position in the world? I suggest to you that we had a better position in the world under Mulroney than we do now. We have to rent other countries planes to get our so-called quick-response team anywhere in the world, we send our peacekeeping forces to the desert in jungle fatigues, our helicopters crash, our subs don't submerge, and now we find out that the government did not even know about other countries subs in our waters. Where exactly DOES that put us on the world stage, other than to be a joke on Leno or Letterman!
And lastly, I work way too damn hard for you to dismiss the stealing of money to be defined as "You may be out some tax dollars". You have GOT to be kidding, right? Or do you follow the Chretien policy of "Well, it is true dat a few million may have been stolen"? And this is the kind of country you can be proud of? Gimme a break.
ok: harper is the ultimate tool to drive quebec out of canada (and that is not the only thing harpie would drive out). lets just run up a huge deficit on election promises, or perhaps he won't and has been "misleading" all you conns down the primrose path. Go look at the history of harper's positions on everything all the way back to his entry into politics.
secondly, canada's position in the world. we have a strong economy and a strong dollar. that is a big change from the days of the dollar being called the canadian peso. It is all a matter of perspective though. If one likes keeping their business subsidized by a weak dollar then a strong dollar is 'bad'. Just like good economics is bad.
lastly, i am playing the "lessor of two evils" game with you. yes, even the lessor of two evils is evil, and that is why i don't choose either one of them! But being a realist, i would rather loose some money from my wallet than take it up the backside. Admit it, when it comes to the libs and cons it is a case of which way you prefer to take it. I am not proud of the political system at all. I want severe reform, the type of reform so radical in some politicians eyes they won't even talk to me openly about it. Playing the party game of reactionary voting just to get one out so another gets in is just plain stupid. And that is my OPINION of anybody that plays blindly to the current system as if it actually works.
If you want a break, you won't get a decent one from the harper boys, unless you are looking for a break-up of canada. (and on that point a breakup might be a good thing because true change sometimes takes a real kick in the nuts to get going) I for one though am not desperate enough to give harper a chance to work his magic on everything else just to see the long term effects that would come long after he is gone for good.
So you go ahead and vote for a man who has not a single progressive thought in his head, a man that thinks, well, like a <i won't say it> in failing to even view all citizens as equal because his book of myths tells him so.
secondly, canada's position in the world. we have a strong economy and a strong dollar. that is a big change from the days of the dollar being called the canadian peso. It is all a matter of perspective though. If one likes keeping their business subsidized by a weak dollar then a strong dollar is 'bad'. Just like good economics is bad.
lastly, i am playing the "lessor of two evils" game with you. yes, even the lessor of two evils is evil, and that is why i don't choose either one of them! But being a realist, i would rather loose some money from my wallet than take it up the backside. Admit it, when it comes to the libs and cons it is a case of which way you prefer to take it. I am not proud of the political system at all. I want severe reform, the type of reform so radical in some politicians eyes they won't even talk to me openly about it. Playing the party game of reactionary voting just to get one out so another gets in is just plain stupid. And that is my OPINION of anybody that plays blindly to the current system as if it actually works.
If you want a break, you won't get a decent one from the harper boys, unless you are looking for a break-up of canada. (and on that point a breakup might be a good thing because true change sometimes takes a real kick in the nuts to get going) I for one though am not desperate enough to give harper a chance to work his magic on everything else just to see the long term effects that would come long after he is gone for good.
So you go ahead and vote for a man who has not a single progressive thought in his head, a man that thinks, well, like a <i won't say it> in failing to even view all citizens as equal because his book of myths tells him so.
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the caracal kid said:
First, how is he going to drive Quebec out of Canada? By treating Quebec as an equal province, no better and no worse? Gee, what a concept, equality between the regions. Second, if you think Harper is going to run up defecits, you are totally wrong. Thirdly, looking back at every party's position in the past will be the same. The Libs were going to Iraq, they supported missile defence, Martin and the Liberal party supported the traditional definition of marriage, etc. etc. etc.
The days of the Canadian Peso were during the Chretien years when Martin was the finance minister. Nuf said.
I prefer the conservative method whereby I have the choice in how to spend my money, not leave it up to the "I know it all State" philosophy" of the Liberals AND THE NDP. Individuals should have the right to spend their money as they see fit, instead of sending massive amounts of tax money to the federal government to spend as THEY see fit. If you honestly think the federal Liberals know better how to spend YOUR money, go ahead and vote for them, because it takes any responsibility out of your hands. Personally, I prefer the conservative method, whereby money stays in my hands go spend as I see fit/
You are right, true changes need a swift kick (read: Boston Tea Party). But the first thing that has to happen in this country, and something that is espoused by the conservatives, is for the federal government to get out of provincial jurisdictions. The feds, under a liberal government, have intruded much too far in areas that are supposed to be provincial jurisdictions, and it is way past time that his type of governance be reversed. This is one of the fundamental differnces between the Libs and the Conservatives, and I support the Conservative positon in this area whole heartedly. If you support the idea that a central government should control all areas of your life, vote liberal or NDP. Otherwise, you have to vote for the right in this area.
I disagree totally with you. Harper has many progressive thoughts, including parental choice in daycare as opposed to state controlled and state influenced daycare, tax cuts for all, and free votes in Parliament (yes, I know what you were not willing to say). Why are you afraid of free democratic votes reflecting the wishes of the public? I am prepared to live with the results, are you? Or do you actually fear the results of a free democratic vote in a supposed democracy?????
considering FPTP does not produce democratic representation AND people usually vote on platform rather than local candidates, a free vote fails to be a democratic vote! For it to be a democratic vote, the constiuents would have to vote in a plebicite to tell their rep how to vote! Without government reform, there is no democratic free vote. That is just another "smoke and mirrors" game the cons want to pawn off on the public.
I am sure you are ready to live with the results of a majority of cons voting freely on issues the cons pretty much agree on given you like the con platform. Thats is a great illusion of democracy, and Harpie knows it.
I am sure you are ready to live with the results of a majority of cons voting freely on issues the cons pretty much agree on given you like the con platform. Thats is a great illusion of democracy, and Harpie knows it.
This is probably the single largest reason I will be voting CPC. I find the taxation issue nothing but smoke from the Liberals. If we have the best economy in the G8 then why the hell are we paying income tax through the ass. People who own small business all want and need tax cuts, something the NDP has failed to recognize in their platform. We need to raise productivity in Canada to help us compete or else our quality or life will suffer. We are lagging behind the US and many countries, and this is absolutely unreasonable given our position and our strengths. The thing iyea the economy is doing all right, but it can be better.
Caracal kid you keep blasting us with you Harper the neocon, bush jr, scary, economy destroying crap......but why. Because of a government in power close to a decade and a half ago..... there is a reason that Canada does not elect NDP governments....there is also a reason why Canadians are reluctant to give the CPC a try however I think things are changing and your fear tactics are not working anymore.