Canada to Heart Patients: Sorry If You Die Before We Can Tre

[I think not]

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$2,400 per year in insurance costs to get top notch medical treatment.

As a Canadian that pays tens of thousands in tax, I wonder how much of that goes to fund our bankrupt system? I remember hearing that almost 50% of all tax revenue goes to fund our health care system. Yikes!!!

I'm paying over $10,000 per year for health care and I've been to see my doctor once in the past 5 years. What a deal!!

Well crit you should be happy you only needed to see your doctor once. I did read your post about your daughter and I do understand your frustration. You know, no health care system that I have read about or come across is anywhere near perfect. I agree, $210 a month does buy me top insurance, again, you get what you pay for. It may seem rather high for Canadian Standards, but its all relative to ones salary, and I'm speaking mostly in terms of regions in the US. I do remember reading somewhere in this forum however that the Canadian health care system is a matter of national pride and anything any government does to change it, whether its for improving the system or not, the general population will not look at it favorably. I'm not quite sure that seems reasonable to me, if in fact its true. There is always room for improvement on everything isn't there?

 

[mrmom2]

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Better bankruptcy than dead, no?
I guess you won't mind being a slave to the medical corporations next time you get sick .When W finishes changing US bankrupcy law you will owe them for the rest of your life.Better dead than a slave

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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I do remember reading somewhere in this forum however that the Canadian health care system is a matter of national pride and anything any government does to change it, whether its for improving the system or not, the general population will not look at it favorably. I'm not quite sure that seems reasonable to me, if in fact its true. There is always room for improvement on everything isn't there?

Well now, I don't know what you've been reading, but that's actually nowhere near being true.

We oppose privatization of our healthcare system, because we know that it will only benefit the higher income earners. The elderly and low and middle income earners would not have essential services available to them, as they would not be able to afford to pay for either insurance, or for treatment. $210 may not seem like much to you, but to those that are scraping by as it is, it would be an impossibility.

No one would suggest that there are not problems with the healthcare system, but the majority of Canada has decided that privatization is not the way to go.

And as some of our other American members have stated, the quality of service is not that much different in a privatized system anyway. So what would be the point.

 

[I think not]

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Better bankruptcy than dead, no?
I guess you won't mind being a slave to the medical corporations next time you get sick .When W finishes changing US bankrupcy law you will owe them for the rest of your life.Better dead than a slave

Tell that to a parent trying to save the life of their child. And whether you believe it or not, there are always options, like community hospitals, at the moment they total 1871 in the US, and charge nothing.

 

[I think not]

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I do remember reading somewhere in this forum however that the Canadian health care system is a matter of national pride and anything any government does to change it, whether its for improving the system or not, the general population will not look at it favorably. I'm not quite sure that seems reasonable to me, if in fact its true. There is always room for improvement on everything isn't there?

Well now, I don't know what you've been reading, but that's actually nowhere near being true.

We oppose privatization of our healthcare system, because we know that it will only benefit the higher income earners. The elderly and low and middle income earners would not have essential services available to them, as they would not be able to afford to pay for either insurance, or for treatment. $210 may not seem like much to you, but to those that are scraping by as it is, it would be an impossibility.

No one would suggest that there are not problems with the healthcare system, but the majority of Canada has decided that privatization is not the way to go.

And as some of our other American members have stated, the quality of service is not that much different in a privatized system anyway. So what would be the point.

I don't ever believe I mentioned anywhere you should privatize your health care system, all I said was there is always room for improvement on any system. The $210 a month I referred to I believe I mentioned according to the geaographic region, living in New York City, that rate is not very much at all.

I would like to comment on the rankings WHO came up with and ranked Canada 30 and Greece 14. That alone tells me this ranking is full of it. I've lived in Greece and visit there often, the health care system in Greece is in shambles, they may not have long wait times to be treated, but their hospitals and organization are in a state of decay. Patients are forced to be put in corridors, medicine is scarce and if they don't give money "under the table" to a surgeon, they get pushed back on a waiting list to be treated for months on end. I don't think the Canadian health care system is worse than I what I know about Greece. I'm very curious what their methodology is when they come up with these rankings.

As for your health care system being a matter of national pride, I think thats an accurate statement.

 

[mrmom2]

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When people are indebted to big medical corporations for the rest of there lives on a daily basis how many people will not bother going to the doctor for going medical treatment ?How many kids will die then ?I'll tell you thousands will

 

[I think not]

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When people are indebted to big medical corporations for the rest of there lives on a daily basis how many people will not bother going to the doctor for going medical treatment ?How many kids will die then ?I'll tell you thousands will

Are you teliing me a parent will not take their child for medical treatment because they don't want to be indebted for the rest of their lives?

 

[mrmom2]

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Who nows I think not people do a lot of stupid things look at the woman up here who abandonded her 2 year old to go salsa dancing .Theres a lot of selfish people in todays society is there not?Why is W changing your bankrupcy laws when so many are in debt ?The corporate raiders need cheap labour to compete with China.It sure is a fast way to get them

 

[I think not]

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Who nows I think not people do a lot of stupid things look at the woman up here who abandonded her 2 year old to go salsa dancing .Theres a lot of selfish people in todays society is there not?Why is W changing your bankrupcy laws when so many are in debt ?The corporate raiders need cheap labour to compete with China.It sure is a fast way to get them

Yes I agree with you, certain people are capable of stupid things in todays society, lets not speak of that minority, in any system or form of government they will always find a way to disregard human life. Of the more "stable" minded individuals, I don't think anyone anywhere in the world would put their child's life at risk for any amount of debt or money, not even for themselves for that matter. And lets try to keep this conversation on a serious level and not mention W :wink: . However the new bankruptcy law S.256 that is to go to Senate floor next week, will certainly be interesting to watch. Even if it does pass, it may end up in the Supreme Court and may be changed, just like the patriot act was concerning a few clauses.
Back to the original issue, I have read many articles in this forum regarding the healthcare system in the US, you by no means have to believe it, but nobody has ever been turned away from medical care (even if because should that person die, they will end up paying millions through a law suit), nobody ever said medical corporations are saints.
You seem to constantly compare the Canadian Health Care system with the US, I really cannot offer any frame of reference, since I only have information based on articles and other media outlets. One of which happens to be WHO, which if you ask me is a laugh and a half since they ranked Greece 14 and I have personally lived there for quite some time and was well into that health care system. You may be suprised to know they appear to have a similar system in place (or it appears to be the case anyway) as Canada.
The quality of health care that is received in comparison to what they pay (taxed on their wages) is next to horrific. And the point I'm trying to make? No government in my opinion will ever look after their citizens they way they should, you have to fend for yourself plain and simple. Others pay more for health coverage, others pay less, others have a co pay, others do not, others are insured others are not. I can only give myself as an example for the purposes of making a point, I pay $210 a month, I can go to ANY hospital, physician, specialist ANYWHERE in the US. I have no deductible, I pay $5 for generic drugs and $10 for brand names. And if I didnt have ANY insurance, there are currently 1871 community hospitals throughout the US that charge nothing for health care. All this hype you hear about the health care system in the US is precisely that.
And actually I just prompted myself to ask a question, if you require medical assistance that is not available in your province, can you cross provinces and be treated anywhere in Canada? Or is it restricted within a province?

 

[mrmom2]

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I agree with you on being able to go were you want for health care I think not :wink: If one of my kids gets sick guess were i will be coming .There will be no waiting around here for treatment :lol:

 

[I think not]

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I agree with you on being able to go were you want for health care I think not :wink: If one of my kids gets sick guess were i will be coming .There will be no waiting around here for treatment :lol:

Bingo, you hit it on the nose, thats all that matters isnt it, life. Would you mind answering my question I asked at the end of my last post? I would really like to know. Thank you.

 

[mrmom2]

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I'm not sure if you can.I know our provincial gov sends people in waiting lines to the US and sometimes to Alberta but I don't know anybody who's gone to aaother prov for treatment

 

[I think not]

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Thanks for the reply.

 

[peapod]

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I think not? I think you do think. Your comment about why not fix what we already have was a refreshing change around here.

 

[Extrafire]

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if you require medical assistance that is not available in your province, can you cross provinces and be treated anywhere in Canada? Or is it restricted within a province?

The province will occasionally send patients out to another province, but I cannot take myself to the next province and get health care on another provice's medical insurance. If I go to Alberta and need medical care, they will treat me and then bill BC.

 

[Extrafire]

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Don't believe me....ask your doctor what he pays for malpractise insurance. Ask if he thinks its to high. Hospitals pay that too.

Oh ...Romania, Bosnia, Turkey, , Russia...all better plans? I'm not sure but I have my doubts.

Right. I was thinking western european ... Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, England, well, maybe not England, you know the ones.

 

[Extrafire]

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We oppose privatization of our healthcare system, because we know that it will only benefit the higher income earners. The elderly and low and middle income earners would not have essential services available to them, as they would not be able to afford to pay for either insurance, or for treatment. $210 may not seem like much to you, but to those that are scraping by as it is, it would be an impossibility.

No one would suggest that there are not problems with the healthcare system, but the majority of Canada has decided that privatization is not the way to go.

I have never heard of anyone in Canada advocating the privatization of our health care. Only the addition of private services to the existing system.

There was a young woman here a few years ago who needed surgury on her knee. She was in pain, couldn't work and was on welfare, and was looking at a 2 year wait, because it wasn't considered urgent. She borrowed $1400 from her father and had the surgery in a private clinic in Vancouver (Cambie Clinic?) and was soon back at work. And this is a bad thing?

 

[crit13]

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The elderly and low and middle income earners would not have essential services available to them, as they would not be able to afford to pay for either insurance, or for treatment. $210 may not seem like much to you, but to those that are scraping by as it is, it would be an impossibility.

First of all, NO ONE is talking about privatizing health care in Canada. That's just fear mongering that Martin keeps getting away with.

Secondly, if these middle income earners had a 50% reduction in the taxes that they pay, they would have the $210 per month and a hellava lot more to spend on their families health care.

And as some of our other American members have stated, the quality of service is not that much different in a privatized system anyway. So what would be the point.

You've already admitted that there is not much difference in the service between us and the US. The "point" is they pay a fraction of what we pay for health care. If you could get something just as good for half the price, wouldn't you be willing to switch?

The question that I would like to ask those that are so stongly opposed to privatizing "SOME" not all services is this....

How many millions of dollars do Canadians spend in the US to get treatment that is either not available in Canada or the waiting list is so long that they will likely die before they even get treated? That's millions of dollars that would have gone INTO our health care system. Instead the money gets paid into the US's health care system. Then we stand around asking ourselves why our best doctors and nurses move south to practice in the US. We are losing on all ends, yet people would rather see our health care system get worse and worse every single year because Martin has led us to believe that his way is the ONLY way and any other way would lead to chaos and people dropping dead in our streets.