Canada to counter Patriot Act

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
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Winnipeg
RE: Canada to counter Pat

Under the Patriot Act it is illegal for US companies not to share data with the US government if asked for it. It makes no difference if they collected that data in Canada or if the computer it is stored in is on this side of the border.

Given the Bush adminisration's penchant for making secret enemies lists that keep people off of planes and from crossing the border, giving your information to any company that has an American connection is not a good idea.

The Canadian government, knowing full well that is the case, hired Lockheed Martin to do the 2006 census.
 

Mooseskin Johnny

Electoral Member
Dec 23, 2004
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BC
Re: RE: Canada to counter Pat

Reverend Blair said:
Under the Patriot Act it is illegal for US companies not to share data with the US government if asked for it.

Legal? The US Feds have never concerned themselves with legal. Those in power justify what they do as more important than the law. Canadian authorities, both public and private, do too. Remember that Social Insurance Numbers were supposed to be private. Legal is just a small detail.
 

Mooseskin Johnny

Electoral Member
Dec 23, 2004
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BC
Re: RE: Canada to counter Pat

Reverend Blair said:
Under the Patriot Act it is illegal for US companies not to share data with the US government if asked for it.

Legal? The US Feds have never concerned themselves with legal. Those in power justify what they do as more important than the law. Canadian authorities, both public and private, do too. Remember that Social Insurance Numbers were supposed to be private. Legal is just a small detail.
 

Mooseskin Johnny

Electoral Member
Dec 23, 2004
134
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BC
Re: RE: Canada to counter Pat

Reverend Blair said:
Under the Patriot Act it is illegal for US companies not to share data with the US government if asked for it.

Legal? The US Feds have never concerned themselves with legal. Those in power justify what they do as more important than the law. Canadian authorities, both public and private, do too. Remember that Social Insurance Numbers were supposed to be private. Legal is just a small detail.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
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Winnipeg
RE: Canada to counter Pat

That's true, but companies and private groups could go to court before and keep the government from looking. That's not an option for them any more. If Lockheed Martin has to make a choice between sharing data they told us they wouldn't share or high-level people in the company going to jail, there isn't even a faint hope that our data will be protected.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
1,238
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38
Winnipeg
RE: Canada to counter Pat

That's true, but companies and private groups could go to court before and keep the government from looking. That's not an option for them any more. If Lockheed Martin has to make a choice between sharing data they told us they wouldn't share or high-level people in the company going to jail, there isn't even a faint hope that our data will be protected.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
1,238
1
38
Winnipeg
RE: Canada to counter Pat

That's true, but companies and private groups could go to court before and keep the government from looking. That's not an option for them any more. If Lockheed Martin has to make a choice between sharing data they told us they wouldn't share or high-level people in the company going to jail, there isn't even a faint hope that our data will be protected.
 

scott malcolm

Nominee Member
Dec 31, 2004
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What disturbs me is that the government is suggesting that the contracts will protect the private information of Canadian citizens.

This does not even recognize the heirarchy of judical priority.

To think that Canadians would buy the idea that contracts take priority over Statute Law. Ha! What an insult to our citizen's intelligence.

I am offended on behalf of all Canadians.
 

scott malcolm

Nominee Member
Dec 31, 2004
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0
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What disturbs me is that the government is suggesting that the contracts will protect the private information of Canadian citizens.

This does not even recognize the heirarchy of judical priority.

To think that Canadians would buy the idea that contracts take priority over Statute Law. Ha! What an insult to our citizen's intelligence.

I am offended on behalf of all Canadians.
 

scott malcolm

Nominee Member
Dec 31, 2004
50
0
6
What disturbs me is that the government is suggesting that the contracts will protect the private information of Canadian citizens.

This does not even recognize the heirarchy of judical priority.

To think that Canadians would buy the idea that contracts take priority over Statute Law. Ha! What an insult to our citizen's intelligence.

I am offended on behalf of all Canadians.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
1,238
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Winnipeg
RE: Canada to counter Pat

That is what they're trying to sell us though, Scott. They have the technology to track all the data all the time and us it for everything from selling you toothpaste to restricting people's ability to travel. They want to use that data.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
1,238
1
38
Winnipeg
RE: Canada to counter Pat

That is what they're trying to sell us though, Scott. They have the technology to track all the data all the time and us it for everything from selling you toothpaste to restricting people's ability to travel. They want to use that data.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
1,238
1
38
Winnipeg
RE: Canada to counter Pat

That is what they're trying to sell us though, Scott. They have the technology to track all the data all the time and us it for everything from selling you toothpaste to restricting people's ability to travel. They want to use that data.
 

Martin Le Acadien

Electoral Member
Sep 29, 2004
454
0
16
Province perdue du Canada, Louisian
Re: RE: Canada to counter Pat

Mooseskin Johnny said:
Reverend Blair said:
Under the Patriot Act it is illegal for US companies not to share data with the US government if asked for it.

Legal? The US Feds have never concerned themselves with legal. Those in power justify what they do as more important than the law. Canadian authorities, both public and private, do too. Remember that Social Insurance Numbers were supposed to be private. Legal is just a small detail.

Like the old saying, I am from (Washington/Ottawa/London) and am here to help!

Yeah, right!

Trust no Government.
 

Martin Le Acadien

Electoral Member
Sep 29, 2004
454
0
16
Province perdue du Canada, Louisian
Re: RE: Canada to counter Pat

Mooseskin Johnny said:
Reverend Blair said:
Under the Patriot Act it is illegal for US companies not to share data with the US government if asked for it.

Legal? The US Feds have never concerned themselves with legal. Those in power justify what they do as more important than the law. Canadian authorities, both public and private, do too. Remember that Social Insurance Numbers were supposed to be private. Legal is just a small detail.

Like the old saying, I am from (Washington/Ottawa/London) and am here to help!

Yeah, right!

Trust no Government.
 

Martin Le Acadien

Electoral Member
Sep 29, 2004
454
0
16
Province perdue du Canada, Louisian
Re: RE: Canada to counter Pat

Mooseskin Johnny said:
Reverend Blair said:
Under the Patriot Act it is illegal for US companies not to share data with the US government if asked for it.

Legal? The US Feds have never concerned themselves with legal. Those in power justify what they do as more important than the law. Canadian authorities, both public and private, do too. Remember that Social Insurance Numbers were supposed to be private. Legal is just a small detail.

Like the old saying, I am from (Washington/Ottawa/London) and am here to help!

Yeah, right!

Trust no Government.