Calling all Separatists!

[I think not]

I know Quebec has a very good economy. They sell Hydro to the US, they have an airspace industry, I dont think they lack economy to break away.

I'm curious though. Doesn't The Consitution Act of 1982 guarantee the preservation of their language and by definition their culture?

Isn't that mostly the problem? To be able to keep their language and culture? Or is there more to this that I'm not grasping?

 

[DasFX]

I know Quebec has a very good economy. They sell Hydro to the US, they have an airspace industry, I dont think they lack economy to break away.

I'm curious though. Doesn't The Consitution Act of 1982 guarantee the preservation of their language and by definition their culture?

Isn't that mostly the problem? To be able to keep their language and culture? Or is there more to this that I'm not grasping?

Technically Quebec didn't sign the 1982 constitution, so I don't think it provided what they were looking for. As for the details on the separation, you will have to ask a separatist. From my experience and discussion, the arguement is mostly cultural and emotional, rather than being based on economics.

I'm not against the cause or the desires of Quebecers, I just question some of the strategies and logic behind it.

 

[s_lone]

Quebec hasn't signed the 1982 constitution act!!! This above all is a very great symbol of how there is still a whole lot to do to have Quebec gracefully accept it's position within Canada. Clearly, the issue is not settled. We've said it many times, Canada will have to accept change if it wants to keep Quebec. Isolation within Canada will only boost sovereignty to the inevitable breaking point...

 

[Numure]

I know Quebec has a very good economy. They sell Hydro to the US, they have an airspace industry, I dont think they lack economy to break away.

I'm curious though. Doesn't The Consitution Act of 1982 guarantee the preservation of their language and by definition their culture?

Isn't that mostly the problem? To be able to keep their language and culture? Or is there more to this that I'm not grasping?

It was for that, during the first referendum. In the second, it was about controling our imigration, economy, internationnal trade, foreign relations, etc. Its went from association to full independance. The next, will be about full independance. It has already passed in the PQ forum.

 

[I think not]

May I ask if Quebec didn't sign the Constituion Act of 1982 why bother including the French language in it?

Was it done in an attempt to pacify the separatist?

 

[DasFX]

May I ask if Quebec didn't sign the Constituion Act of 1982 why bother including the French language in it?

Was it done in an attempt to pacify the separatist?

Quebec isn't the only French parts of the country. Every government document is in both official languages.

 

[I think not]

May I ask if Quebec didn't sign the Constituion Act of 1982 why bother including the French language in it?

Was it done in an attempt to pacify the separatist?

Quebec isn't the only French parts of the country. Every government document is in both official languages.

I realize that, Eastern Ontario, New Brunswick and so forth. However most of them spread out from quebec at some point. wasn't it done to pacify the separatists?

And if they eventually sign The Constitution Act of 1982, wouldn't that then even further allow them to preserve their culture?

They already do a pretty good job of it themselves really. they aren't particuraly fond of anyone speaking English in Quebec, they get a "tad" upset when you do, except Montreal I've noticed

 

[DasFX]

I know Quebec has a very good economy. They sell Hydro to the US, they have an airspace industry, I dont think they lack economy to break away.

I'm curious though. Doesn't The Consitution Act of 1982 guarantee the preservation of their language and by definition their culture?

Isn't that mostly the problem? To be able to keep their language and culture? Or is there more to this that I'm not grasping?

It was for that, during the first referendum. In the second, it was about controling our imigration, economy, internationnal trade, foreign relations, etc. Its went from association to full independance. The next, will be about full independance. It has already passed in the PQ forum.

Sure, but the question won't, they're already trying to come up with abstract questions.

"Parizeau and Laplante caused a stir by suggesting sovereigntists should draw up a constitution that would set out a broad framework for an independent Quebec and the rules for achieving independence. Quebecers would vote on adopting the document in the next referendum."

Now they want a referendum on a document that only sets up a process, however I'm sure they will construe this into calling it a vote for independence.

Why can't they simply ask a point blank question?



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[DasFX]

May I ask if Quebec didn't sign the Constituion Act of 1982 why bother including the French language in it?

Was it done in an attempt to pacify the separatist?

Quebec isn't the only French parts of the country. Every government document is in both official languages.

I realize that, Eastern Ontario, New Brunswick and so forth. However most of them spread out from quebec at some point. wasn't it done to pacify the separatists?

And if they eventually sign The Constitution Act of 1982, wouldn't that then even further allow them to preserve their culture?

They already do a pretty good job of it themselves really. they aren't particuraly fond of anyone speaking English in Quebec, they get a "tad" upset when you do, except Montreal I've noticed

I don't think they get upset, most francophone Quebecers speak English as well. The 1982 act didn't do anything positive for the country. If anything, the charter was about the only good thing that came out of it. Quebec will never sign the 1982 act, I think most other provinces wish they hadn't as well.

 

[I think not]

Well then maybe they were upset because I was American

But hey I learned my lesson, I've learned "some" French since

 

[DasFX]

Well then maybe they were upset because I was American

Hey, it is the thing to do around the world!

But hey I learned my lesson, I've learned "some" French since

When in Rome.... French is really easy to learn and it just sounds so good. French, Spanish and Italian are just great languages to speak and listen to.

I'm just glad I was brought up speaking English, cause it seems very hard to learn, it has no rules and often makes no sense. It's funny how it became the prominent language of the world.

 

[I think not]

I'm just glad I was brought up speaking English, cause it seems very hard to learn, it has no rules and often makes no sense. It's funny how it became the prominent language of the world.

Probably to piss off the French

 

[I think not]

I'm just glad I was brought up speaking English, cause it seems very hard to learn, it has no rules and often makes no sense. It's funny how it became the prominent language of the world.

Probably to piss off the French

I embraced their language as well, so don't see why it would. Quebecers aren't anti English, they just really pro French.

Actually I was referring to the French (as in France). It was an international language for quite some time, I often wonder why it switched also.

 

[DasFX]

I'm just glad I was brought up speaking English, cause it seems very hard to learn, it has no rules and often makes no sense. It's funny how it became the prominent language of the world.

Probably to piss off the French

I embraced their language as well, so don't see why it would. Quebecers aren't anti English, they just really pro French.

Actually I was referring to the French (as in France). It was an international language for quite some time, I often wonder why it switched also.

French is still an international language. I guess the English just got around the globe more back in the day.

 

[I think not]

Yes they traveled alot. With guns :lol:

 

[Numure]

I'm just glad I was brought up speaking English, cause it seems very hard to learn, it has no rules and often makes no sense. It's funny how it became the prominent language of the world.

Probably to piss off the French

I embraced their language as well, so don't see why it would. Quebecers aren't anti English, they just really pro French.

Actually I was referring to the French (as in France). It was an international language for quite some time, I often wonder why it switched also.

French is still an international language. I guess the English just got around the globe more back in the day.

English took over because of the stretch of the British Empire. And France pretty much gave up on its colonial empire.

 

[DasFX]

So What if...

The separatist as pretty confident about the next referendum in 2008 or so, but what if they lose? What is the plan then? Is it simply trying again?

 

[Numure]

Re: So What if...

The separatist as pretty confident about the next referendum in 2008 or so, but what if they lose? What is the plan then? Is it simply trying again?

Yep. As long as it takes. Or until the support is no longer there.

 

[DasFX]

Re: So What if...

The separatist as pretty confident about the next referendum in 2008 or so, but what if they lose? What is the plan then? Is it simply trying again?

Yep. As long as it takes. Or until the support is no longer there.

So I am correct in my analogy about the whining child who simply continues to pester his/her mother until she gives in.

What recourse would Quebecers have after a yes vote? Would there be another vote when negotiations are complete to finalize this. What if after some years, a federalist party was elected in Quebec and held another referendum to rejoin Canada, would that be respected?

 

[s_lone]

English also became more dominant because it was not as resistant than French to change. The english language absorbed many words from other languages while French is a bit more closed upon itself. For example, the word phantom comes from the french "fantôme" and the word ghost comes from German ("geist" I believe...) These two words pretty much mean the same thing but English didn't hesitate to borrow both of them...
English has adapted itself better to it's environments.