Bush plot to merge Canada, the U.S. and Mexico
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The newest versions call fo a complete merge of the monetary unitrs, elimination of separate medical care systems and also the elimination of the Governmet sponsored retirement plans as we know them. The US Social Secuity syetem is not a retirment plan but rather an insurance plan. It would be privatized and the re is nothing currently in existance in Mexico. I don't know the details of the existing Canadian plans but this proposal calls for all of those to cease and something new would be developed. The secrecy issue really bothers me. If it is all above board, why the secrecy?? The issues in the US government right now are integrity and a displayed lack of regard for the working persons. The jobs are being exported off-s hore and the dsupposed "New Jobs" are usually at the minimum wage level. That makes it difficult to feed a family on. The current rumor is that the reason why the Ford family brought in a outside executive is so that when Ford announces the suspension of it's benefits programs for it's workers the family name will not be the source of the announcement.
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Let me get this straight.
Bush signs a law to build a fence on the Mexican border ...
... and he's plotting to integrate the countries!
Quite the leap in logic there, guys.
Tancredo is a demogogue.
Myths and facts about the SPP.
http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp
Let me get this straight.
Bush signs a law to build a fence on the Mexican border ...
... and he's plotting to integrate the countries!
Quite the leap in logic there, guys.
Tancredo is a demogogue.
Myths and facts about the SPP.
http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp
The questions here are complex and no one individual can possibly have all of the answers. There is no question about the combined resources and other commanalities. The issues involve not only sovereignty but also hard economics too. How are equitable tax plans developed? Is there to be a sustainable minimum wage? Will a comprehensive and workable medical insurance plan be developed? How and where will it be serviced? How will medical professionals such as physicians be compensated? Which industrial complex devotes it's energies to what areas of technology? Which educational standards are adopted? Who makes those decisions? In my case I am not compfrtable in the least with this being decuided behind closed doors and none of the results presented for review by those who will ultimately pay for this merger and have to adjust and live with it for the rest of my life. I do believe we all have a choice and a right to see what is being accomplished. The fence on the Mexican border will probably never be completed. It in fact may never be started as far as construction is concerned. There is another bill in the US Senate which would (if passed and signed into law) alter the intent of the previous legislation akready adopted intio the US law books. The NAFTA and CAFTA treaties were a part of a series of steps being taken and the next step is the adoption by the US of the Free Trade Agreement, of the Americas (FTAA) which is but one more step in the process. I oppose trade tarriffs and restrictions and all it does is hurt the econmies of the nations supplying the user nation. But those issues can be addressed separately succssfully without implementing the Cooperative Security Agreement. I have the utmost respect for the Canadian nation and I sure hope they don't find themselves under the yoke of the government of the U.S. Right now (in spite of what you see for financial forecasts) the US economy is about ready to collapse with debt. They are looking for a way out and this would be the first time the US hasn't gone to war when it's economy sagged badly.
Tancredo is correct, please do the research.
Hello Canadians:
I'm a newbie here from Arizona, USA. I pickup up this thread from a site that I post on in the U.S., and was very happy to be able to talk with you.
This problem with forthcoming events, i.e., Security&Prosperity Partnership (SPP), and ultimately North American Union (NAU) is not a myth please believe me. To begin with I will list several links that may benefit your knowledge:
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/sovereignty/sovereignty.html
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15233
http://www.augustreview.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=4&pid=14
The following link is probably the best, however I just tried to go there and was delayed so I think they are updating it. http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds
The above links will get you started, and I will check back in a few days to see if you still think this is illusional
President Bush has highjacked and morphed the republican party, it has become clear through his actions of not enforcing the laws and not securing our borders, because of the ultimate goal of the NAU.
Tancredo is a patriot and many of here think the only person telling the truth from Washington. I will go into more detail in the future but first many true Canadians need to wake up to what is about to take place. Canadians and Americans need to work together to stop this. Of course Mexico greatest desire would be for this to take place, and I can guarantee if NAU takes place Canada will be flooded with third world uneducated cheap labor, corporations are addicted to cheap labor, and you as taxpayers will foot the bill in social services, prisons, courts, medical-care, and an unweaving of the natural character of your country.
Hello Canadians:
I'm a newbie here from Arizona, USA. I pickup up this thread from a site that I post on in the U.S., and was very happy to be able to talk with you.
This problem with forthcoming events, i.e., Security&Prosperity Partnership (SPP), and ultimately North American Union (NAU) is not a myth please believe me. To begin with I will list several links that may benefit your knowledge:
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/sovereignty/sovereignty.html
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15233
http://www.augustreview.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=4&pid=14
The following link is probably the best, however I just tried to go there and was delayed so I think they are updating it. http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/TreasonAbounds
The above links will get you started, and I will check back in a few days to see if you still think this is illusional
President Bush has highjacked and morphed the republican party, it has become clear through his actions of not enforcing the laws and not securing our borders, because of the ultimate goal of the NAU.
Tancredo is a patriot and many of here think the only person telling the truth from Washington. I will go into more detail in the future but first many true Canadians need to wake up to what is about to take place. Canadians and Americans need to work together to stop this. Of course Mexico greatest desire would be for this to take place, and I can guarantee if NAU takes place Canada will be flooded with third world uneducated cheap labor, corporations are addicted to cheap labor, and you as taxpayers will foot the bill in social services, prisons, courts, medical-care, and an unweaving of the natural character of your country.
Thomas, the problem won't go away when Bush is out because the dems want fresh new Mexican votes. In addition, most of the current neocon RINO Republicans and Democrats are members of the Council of Foreign Relations CFR and Trilateral cohorts, which is the NAU's motivational momentum, birthplace, and financial backer. This will not go away with the Dems., Pelosi the new House Majority is a socialist. See: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14542
The sad part about this proposal is that the sovereign nations of canad and Mexico will be the true losers if it occurs. I travel in Europe and the only good thing about the european Union is the Euro dollar and the fact that i don't have exchange currency at every border. I do object to the 16% tax I have to pay on purchases made in EU member countries just to help sustain that organization. I do my darndest to plan on purchases from non-member nations for that very reason. Another concern I have is how will the Mexican peso be valued against both the Canadian and US dollars? I do remember when travelling in Canada in the 1950's and the Canadian dollar was worth about $1.22 for every US dollar. If we can frestall this proposal I think it will afll apart before it becomes a reality. I do support a no tariffs trade policy for all three nations. The US regards the other two nations as a necessary partner to survive economically.
Well this is pretty much coming from the same nut-jar faction of the American right as the ones who think the U.N. is a Communist conspircy to rule the world.
The fact that Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi (California's mob spokeswoman) jumped on this issue in a support position tells me that it won't pass the smell test regardless of which country is considered. Mexico would love to see this because they could start a new breed of artic cheap labor and at the same time bring up their GNP by about five times. The other two nations would in my opinion have their GNP and other economic factors sag considerably. I don't mind helping anyone who is down and out but I sure don't want to sink myself to the levels of bankruptcy to give that help. The fact that the monied US electorate is supporting this just confirms to me the levels of corruption in the US legislatures today. They wheel and deal with other people's money daily and have no ideas about the impacts it causes nor do they care. The Canadian friends I have are not used to that type of a business ethic and I fear they (if this hair brained scheme actually happens) may be totally overwhelmed by it.
Yup.
Lots of foilers on the Right also.
But I've seen this propogated by the Far Left too.
Well, folks, that pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
I almost spit out my hot chocolate reading that one.
Bush signed the "fence bill" without funds to build it and it was a couple of weeks before the election, he knew the dems would get control of Congress, however, think it did surprise him how much.
Remember the myths and facts sheet, as well as the www.ssp.gov, is a presentation polished by the white house for the public. If the NAU was such a good deal for the U.S. and Canada, why would the leaders from CAN, US, and MX not sign an agreement or a treaty?
All of this is taking place WITHOUT Congress oversight which circumvents our Constitution (I don't know about Canada's). According to the website, the SPP and NAU is all being implemented from a DIALOGUE between the three countries leaders...:evil3: how in this day and age does something of this magnitude NOT be formalized by a written contract, treaty, or agreement? Our lives revolve around written contracts and agreements.
Perhaps you should bring salt and pepper.
You can look it up but not on any US located website. the site is from Orator in Britain. The site address on the search engine is "North American Cooperative Security Agreement" and it will give you several additional link to select. There is a total media blackoput here in this country about this specific topic. They now have a new name and it is the one that is used popularly here when referring to the subject. But the mass media is still restricted from attending hearings or receiving any briefings about the topic in the US.
The following paragraphs are taken from page 48, pdf file from the CFR.org site, link below, for the complete read of that report:
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf
page 48 (The texts was justified in the pdf format, however, when pasting here some of the spacing is mixed.)
Increase Labor Mobility within North America
People are North America’s greatest asset. Goods and services cross
borders easily; ensuring the legal transit of North American workers
has been more difficult. Experience with the NAFTA visa system
suggests that its procedures need to be simplified, and such visas should
be made available to a wider range of occupations and to additional
categories of individuals such as students, professors, bona fide frequent
visitors, and retirees.
To make the most of the impressive pool of skill and talent within
North America, the three countries should look beyond the NAFTA
visa system. The large volume of undocumentedmigrants fromMexico
within the United States is an urgent matter for those two countries
to address. A long-term goal should be to create a ‘‘North American
preference’’—new rules that would make it much easier for employees
to move and for employers to recruit across national boundaries within
the continent. This would enhance North American competitiveness,
Recommendations 27
increase productivity, contribute to Mexico’s development, and address
oneof the main outstanding issues ontheMexican-U.S. bilateral agenda.
Canada andtheUnited States should consider eliminating restrictions
on labor mobility altogether and work toward solutions that, in the
long run, could enable the extension of full labor mobility to Mexico
as well.
WHAT WE SHOULD DO NOW
• Expand temporary migrant worker programs. Canada and the
United States should expand programs for temporary labor migration
from Mexico. For instance, Canada’s successful model for managing
seasonal migration in the agricultural sector should be expanded to
other sectors where Canadian producers face a shortage of workers
and Mexico may have a surplus of workers with appropriate skills.
Canadian and U.S. retirees living in Mexico should be granted
working permits in certain fields, for instance as English teachers.
• Implement the Social Security Totalization Agreement
negotiated between the United States andMexico. This agreement
would recognize payroll contributions to each other’s systems,
thus preventing double taxation.
WHAT WE SHOULD DO BY 2010
• Create a ‘‘North American preference.’’ Canada, the United
States, and Mexico should agree on streamlined immigration and
labor mobility rules that enable citizens of all three countries to
work elsewhere in North America with far fewer restrictions than
immigrants from other countries. This new system should be both
broader and simpler than the current systemofNAFTAvisas. Special
immigration status should be given to teachers, faculty, and students
in the region.
• Move to full labor mobility between Canada and the United
States. To make companies based in North America as competitive
as possible in the global economy, Canada and the United States
should consider eliminating all remaining barriers to the ability of
their citizens to live and work in the other country. This free flow
of people would offer an important advantage to employers in both
countries by giving them rapid access to a larger pool of skilled labor,
and would enhance the well-being of individuals in both countries
by enabling them to move quickly to where their skills are needed.
In the long term, the two countries should work to extend this
policy to Mexico as well, though doing so will not be practical until
wage differentials between Mexico and its two North American
neighbors have diminished considerably.
Building a North American Communityof people would
offer an important advantage to employers in both
countries by giving them rapid access to a larger pool of skilled labor,
and would enhance the well-being of individuals in both countries
by enabling them to move quickly to where their skills are needed.
In the long term, the two countries should work to extend this
policy to Mexico as well, though doing so will not be practical until
wage differentials between Mexico and its two North American
neighbors have diminished considerably.
• Mutual recognition of professional standards and degrees.
Professional associations in each of the three countries make decisions
on the standards to accept professionals from other countries. But
despite the fact thatNAFTA already encourages themutual recognition
of professional degrees, little has actually been done. The three
governments should devote more resources to leading and creating
incentives that would encourage the professional associations of each
of the three countries to develop shared standards that would
facilitate short-term professional labor mobility within North
America.
Support a North American Education Program
Given their historical, cultural, geographic, political, and economic ties,
the countries ofNorth America should have the largest and most vibrant
educational exchange network in the world. Currently, we do not.
Despite the fact that Mexico is the second-largest trading partner
of the United States, it ranks only seventh in sending students there.
In 2004, only 13,000 Mexican undergraduate and graduate students
attended U.S. universities. Similarly,Canada is the largest trading partner
of the United States but ranked only fifth in educational exchanges,
with 27,000 students in the United States compared to 80,000 students
from India, followed by China, South Korea, and Japan. The number
ofMexicans studying in Canada remains very low—about 1,000. And
although American students study all over the world, relatively few go
toMexicoandCanada.Thesenumbers shouldbeexpanded dramatically
to deepen familiarity and increase knowledge in each country.
:wave: Sassylassie, interesting enough though the currency proposed by Pastor (NAU blueprint drafter) is to be titled Amero. We are wondering how that will shape out with the value of our portfolio ... does give one concern to ponder. The Euro is still in flux I think, don't really know, however, I do know the citizens are not all that happy with the EU.
Maybe we will be known as Canamero ( Mexico do not deserve more than one letter, and it should be at the end (of course).
FFS I hope so.
Do you know what a frickin' pain in the ass it is to get a Green Card?
There should be increased labour mobility because highly skilled individuals (like, well, me for instance
) can ply their trade around the world. But that doesn't mean there's a big plot to integrate the countries.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/11/24/chile.southamerica.ap/index.html
South American countries reach visa deal
SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) -- Nationals from all 12 South American nations will soon be able to travel throughout the region without visas, regional foreign ministers agreed Friday.
The decision at a meeting of foreign ministers of the South American Community is expected to become effective within 90 days, officials said. Visas will be exempt for nationals traveling between Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay and Venezuela.
The visa exemption "represents a step in our efforts to eliminate our traditional divisions," said Chilean Foreign Minister Alejandro Foxley.
Until now, countries in the region had a wide variety of visa policies, which changed frequently with political or economic conditions.
Brazilian Minister Celso Amorin said at the meeting in the Chilean capital of Santiago that regional integration must take into account the political differences in South America, where several leftist governments have been elected in recent years.
"We all defend democracy and democracy means accepting the options taken by the different countries," Amorin said.
He said integration is imperative "because in a world that in the future will be a world of large blocs, we will be stronger if we are united."
Foxley said efforts to promote regional integration must concentrate in three basic areas -- improving transportation links between nations, energy cooperation, and reducing social inequities.
South American countries reach visa deal
SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) -- Nationals from all 12 South American nations will soon be able to travel throughout the region without visas, regional foreign ministers agreed Friday.
The decision at a meeting of foreign ministers of the South American Community is expected to become effective within 90 days, officials said. Visas will be exempt for nationals traveling between Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay and Venezuela.
The visa exemption "represents a step in our efforts to eliminate our traditional divisions," said Chilean Foreign Minister Alejandro Foxley.
Until now, countries in the region had a wide variety of visa policies, which changed frequently with political or economic conditions.
Brazilian Minister Celso Amorin said at the meeting in the Chilean capital of Santiago that regional integration must take into account the political differences in South America, where several leftist governments have been elected in recent years.
"We all defend democracy and democracy means accepting the options taken by the different countries," Amorin said.
He said integration is imperative "because in a world that in the future will be a world of large blocs, we will be stronger if we are united."
Foxley said efforts to promote regional integration must concentrate in three basic areas -- improving transportation links between nations, energy cooperation, and reducing social inequities.