Burnaby General Hospital Sadists

[lone wolf]

There are lots of things wrong with Canadian health care. Really, I think it's short-sighted to blame the people who jam up ER with their "hang nails and sniffles". Where in Hell else are they supposed to go? Clinics are seldom 24/7 affairs and if they happen to be of the fortunate ones who still have a doctor, they can't just walk into the doctor's office.

Government cuts. That's what governments do. We don't have a military to speak of, so where does the money go? Unions put rates way up to the point where they're beyond reasonable - and set prices to what union-paid people will pay.

What doctor is going to be happy working in a practice where the person who cleans the floor makes more than he/she does?

What hospital can maintain a budget when the floor sweeper makes more than the doctors?

Something has to give. Doctors are the ones everyone blames. Your kidney stone and ER marathon are important to you. Hospital budgets are important to them. Pockets to pick are important to the unions. You, too, can be low man on the food chain.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Does that include the ones you make, or only others'?

Sure, mine also.

 

[karrie]

Well, I've heard other times from medical personnel, "The doctor/nurse will be right with you/in five minutes." No rocket science required here. What is routine to some people, is not to me. So I complain. And this is a very personal topic, and unfounded comments will be subject to very close scrutiny.

Well if you'll read a bit closer without the chip on your shoulder, you'll see that I was merely commenting on the way triage systems work, and sympathizing with your situation. "It's on the list of things we can't quite believe aren't emergencies, like broken bones."

 

[L Gilbert]

Yeah, there are a lot of things wrong with Canadian healthcare that shouldn't have been allowed.
But, Anna had kidney stones last year and hers wasn't passable. The urologist figures that the thing grew and then it became dislodged and partially blocked the exhaust port in her kidney. It hit her like a ton of bricks with no warning. But, she was told that that is not a frequent experience and if she does get stones again, they will likely show symptoms long before it becomes an emergency situation. As you've had stones before, you should have been paying attention and recognising the symptoms and talked with your doc before going to emerg.

Anna always does drink 3 or 4 liters of water, but now she drinks water with a little lemon or apple cider vinegar in it. She also drinks a tea made from celery seed, takes extra Vitamins B-6, B-12, and Magnesium. Hasn't had anymore problems with stones. All the info you need can be googled.

 

[gerryh]

Yeah, there are a lot of things wrong with Canadian healthcare that shouldn't have been allowed.

If the "that" you're refering to is his wait, we have no idea what the reasons exactley were. Burnaby General can be a VERY busy Hospital. It could very well have been they didn't want to take up a bed "just in case". With "Murphy's Law" they could have gave him a bed as soon as he walked into emerg, drugged him up, and then a multi car accident from the Trans Canada could have shown up...what are they to do then? Push his drugged up a$$ off the bed?

There are a lot of things that have to be taken into consideration and planned for in a big city Hospital.

 

[L Gilbert]

If the "that" you're refering to is his wait, we have no idea what the reasons exactley were. Burnaby General can be a VERY busy Hospital. It could very well have been they didn't want to take up a bed "just in case". With "Murphy's Law" they could have gave him a bed as soon as he walked into emerg, drugged him up, and then a multi car accident from the Trans Canada could have shown up...what are they to do then? Push his drugged up a$$ off the bed?

There are a lot of things that have to be taken into consideration and planned for in a big city Hospital.

Nope, waiting times might not have become so bad if issues such as medical staff availability hadn't become an issue, people hadn't become hypochondriacs and headed for a doctor every time they had a sniffle or a scratch, politicians had kept up maintenance on healthcare, etc.
There may very well be lots of reasons why Burnaby G didn't give him a bed. But his problem is likely exaggerated by his own neglect in doing something about it earlier. He also could have asked why he had to wait, but apparently he didn't.

 

[gerryh]

Nope, waiting times might not have become so bad if issues such as medical staff availability hadn't become an issue, people hadn't become hypochondriacs and headed for a doctor every time they had a sniffle or a scratch, politicians had kept up maintenance on healthcare, etc.
There may very well be lots of reasons why Burnaby G didn't give him a bed. But his problem is likely exaggerated by his own neglect in doing something about it earlier. He also could have asked why he had to wait, but apparently he didn't.

Don't think I can disagree with any of that.

 

[karrie]

You want to hear sadistic when it comes to emergency rooms...

In the northern Alberta town where my little brother lives, dirt bikers, BMXers, and skate boarders, have routinely been denied anaesthetic when they need stitches due to accidents. Of course, hunters, quadders, basketball players, etc., don't qualify for such treatment, just the 'young punks'.

 

[L Gilbert]

You want to hear sadistic when it comes to emergency rooms...

In the northern Alberta town where my little brother lives, dirt bikers, BMXers, and skate boarders, have routinely been denied anaesthetic when they need stitches due to accidents. Of course, hunters, quadders, basketball players, etc., don't qualify for such treatment, just the 'young punks'.

wow
I can't see getting a local for a few stitches, but big gashes or something definitely. Had seven stitches put in the back on my noggin without a local. Not a biggie. Had 3 stitches put in a finger one time and the bloody sadists poked 4 holes in my hand to install local, and the injection sites hurt worse than the wound after the 'caine wore off.

 

[lone wolf]

You want to hear sadistic when it comes to emergency rooms...

In the northern Alberta town where my little brother lives, dirt bikers, BMXers, and skate boarders, have routinely been denied anaesthetic when they need stitches due to accidents. Of course, hunters, quadders, basketball players, etc., don't qualify for such treatment, just the 'young punks'.

How many of those have injected, ingested or inhaled something with which the anesthetic does not mix well? Yeah, I know, it's a crappy tag for an upright kid ... but can be death to one who isn't.

 

[L Gilbert]

How many of those have injected, ingested or inhaled something with which the anesthetic does not mix well? Yeah, I know, it's a crappy tag for an upright kid ... but can be death to one who isn't.

Good point.

 

[karrie]

How many of those have injected, ingested or inhaled something with which the anesthetic does not mix well? Yeah, I know, it's a crappy tag for an upright kid ... but can be death to one who isn't.

I'm talking local anaesthetic, not general, and to the best of my knowledge it doesn't react with any drugs since it's, well, local.

 

[karrie]

wow
I can't see getting a local for a few stitches, but big gashes or something definitely. Had seven stitches put in the back on my noggin without a local. Not a biggie. Had 3 stitches put in a finger one time and the bloody sadists poked 4 holes in my hand to install local, and the injection sites hurt worse than the wound after the 'caine wore off.

My son just has a procedure done on his finger, and the doc put, I kid you not, 2 cc's of local into the tip of one of his fingers (tiny little 8 year old finger). Cuh-ripes sake that kid was in pain as the pressure rose but the freezing hadn't taken affect yet, not to mention when the freezing started to wear off and the pressure still wasn't totally gone. ugh.

 

[lone wolf]

I'm talking local anaesthetic, not general, and to the best of my knowledge it doesn't react with any drugs since it's, well, local.

I don't know.... Would you want to take the chance?

 

[karrie]

I don't know.... Would you want to take the chance?

It's a doctor's/nurses job to give proper medical care unless they have a REALLY good reason not to. Would I take a chance that someone isn't on drugs if they said they weren't? Yeah. Definitely.

Would I judge someone based on their hobbies and or appearance and torture them because I've decided they might on some out chance be on a drug, and on some further out chance, might lie about it? Hell no.

Heck, docs don't seem to even flinch if you TELL them you're on something and they need to medicate you. I came in drunk out of my gourd once as a teen, needing stitches and concussion care. When they came at me with needles I explained "I'm really drunk". They said, "well then this is gonna be fun for you," and shot me up with muscle relaxants and pain killers, plus a boat load of local anaesthetic.

 

[karrie]

I don't know.... Would you want to take the chance?

Not to mention, medical professionals should KNOW if it interacts with anything... no chances taken. And if it will interact, they can make that very clear. Pretty simple. No need to beat around the bush about it imo. "Are you on this drug that will kill you if we give you this drug?" end of issue.

 

[lone wolf]

Not to mention, medical professionals should KNOW if it interacts with anything... no chances taken. And if it will interact, they can make that very clear. Pretty simple. No need to beat around the bush about it imo. "Are you on this drug that will kill you if we give you this drug?" end of issue.

...and you really believe that some thirteen-year-old kid is going to say "Yeah, I've sniffed a little glue" when you, as the caregiver, are in a position to sell them out to someone with more authority than a cop: MOM?

Hell, when I was thirteen, I was the bravest SOB around - because I could scream and cry for Mommy on the inside if my buddies were watching. Jus' gimme a bullet to bite on....

 

[karrie]

...and you really believe that some thirteen-year-old kid is going to say "Yeah, I've sniffed a little glue" when you, as the caregiver, are in a position to sell them out to someone with more authority than a cop: MOM?

Hell, when I was thirteen, I was the bravest SOB around - because I could scream and cry for Mommy on the inside if my buddies were watching. Jus' gimme a bullet to bite on....

I'd suggest that the argument is a moot point if neither of us know the drug interactions possible with local anaesthetic, or if the reason you've supposed is actually medically valid.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Nope, waiting times might not have become so bad if issues such as medical staff availability hadn't become an issue, people hadn't become hypochondriacs and headed for a doctor every time they had a sniffle or a scratch, politicians had kept up maintenance on healthcare, etc.
There may very well be lots of reasons why Burnaby G didn't give him a bed. But his problem is likely exaggerated by his own neglect in doing something about it earlier. He also could have asked why he had to wait, but apparently he didn't.

Well wrongo in the congo here. I did ask for a bed, since the ER was empty. Maybe the big highway pileup happened ten minutes before, but the rooms behind were pretty quiet in the early AM. I could have easily gotten a bed in the hallway because a kidney stone is not usually long term. The ER was dead, but how can a hospital be out of beds? No beds, but plenty of staff around. Which is more expensive? Absurd.

Nelgecting a kidney stone, hmm, how can one do that I wonder. Well, one minute you feel okay, then a while later, say an hour, your side is killing you.

NEWSFLASH: They don't know what causes kidney stones. But they know how to treatment it.

Next time I'll just act like a junkie and ask for some free drugs like they do at the clinic downtown. This is not my usual behaviour. But I am in an unusual situation, so I ought to act more extreme I guess.

I'm in the ER, they know what I have, they know what I need, and unless you tell some plodding bureaucrat exactly what you want, they just sit there until something happens. Maybe they're saving their energy because they might need it at home. The situation is absurd.