burkas and the "cultural common good"

[SLM]

This happens every day with respect to the laws of the land... This woman's 'need' to wear a niquab during a swearing-in ceremony is just one example

My point regarding being told what one can or cannot wear was in reference to an all out ban. I would loath to see something here so heavy handed as the all out bans that have been imposed in France, for example.

As per above, this has to do only with the immigration ceremony... That's it.

What makes me shake my head is that as the law/practice is clear, if this nutbar doesn't believe that having Canadian citizenship is worth removing this headgear (in a private room with just a women no less) then exactly why does Canada want her at all?

Referring back to a point that was made multiple times in this thread, there is no religious regulation that requires her to wear this in public, so it is no different than her personal 'preference'.... And this takes us right back to what one poster made about a Klan member wanting to take their citizenship oath wearing their white hood.

Whether it's religious or cultural makes no difference to me. 99.99 ad infinitum percent of the time, anybody in this nation can wear pretty much what they want. This, I believe, should continue. My opinion, my personal opinion, is that covering the face is an overly excessive display of modesty, but I am not compelled to tell someone, in the majority of situations, that they can't do that anymore. That would be too intrusive. That said we all face some restrictions in our personal expressions, we all experience some situations where laws and/or rules will conflict with our freedoms. As long as those situations are not excessive, as long as they are applied equally and fairly amongst all members of society, then that's something we just need to live with. So a requirement to remove a face veil , which is all the niqab is primarily,during the Oath of Citizenship is not an excessive demand.

 

[Sal]

Let me go get CDNbear , and we can get a good old sh!t storm started just like in the good old days .

the good old days is a few hours ago.

60% of muslims are against the burqa....guess which 40% are for it?

 

[Locutus]

How Canadians really feel: The niqab debate, by the numbers

http://www.therebel.media/the_niqab_debate_by_the_numbers

 

[Sal]

if we banned the burqa it would get rid of that radical portion of Muslims that are not welcome here anyway, and make it much much easier on those Muslims who are currently fighting for equality within the home and fighting within society to be seen as just peaceful normal human beings

it would solve a lot of problems and big a big step towards harmony

 

[Locutus]

also, nobody 'has' to immigrate to Canada either.

it is not some sort of imaginary global right that you can come here. lottsa other countries to hang yer burka on and try to call home.

 

[SLM]

The world is full of choices.

 

[Sal]

it's not the women who want this and that is the problem.... maybe 1% have the understanding and the freedom to choose to wear one, most of them are attached to the kind of males that have extreme views, we don't need them in our country and if the wife can't be covered they won't choose to come here

it's a big wide world, we don't need little cell pockets immigrating here

 

[Locutus]

it's not the women who want this and that is the problem

zactly. political trolls and semi-pro busybodies. that's their style.

troll it and they will come.

fuk that sh!t.

 

[Sal]

it is imperative that we get this under control now, once they are in our country it's damn near impossible to get them out due to the rights which we extend to them and the prejudice and hate from the ill-informed just builds and builds endangering everyone and it will lead to implosion or we will arrive at a place where for safety sake we begin to chip away at our own rights and freedom

we need to protect ourselves, this needs to happen now

 

[Angstrom]

I'm heading off, if there's any sh!t in the morning, I'll have my own storm.

Before swearing you're oath you don't have your citizenship. Simply don't give it to them.
We can modify immigration laws so that they only get citizenship after 3 generations of kids long after the original immigrants are dead.

 

[captain morgan]

My point regarding being told what one can or cannot wear was in reference to an all out ban. I would loath to see something here so heavy handed as the all out bans that have been imposed in France, for example.

Whether it's religious or cultural makes no difference to me. 99.99 ad infinitum percent of the time, anybody in this nation can wear pretty much what they want. This, I believe, should continue. My opinion, my personal opinion, is that covering the face is an overly excessive display of modesty, but I am not compelled to tell someone, in the majority of situations, that they can't do that anymore. That would be too intrusive. That said we all face some restrictions in our personal expressions, we all experience some situations where laws and/or rules will conflict with our freedoms. As long as those situations are not excessive, as long as they are applied equally and fairly amongst all members of society, then that's something we just need to live with. So a requirement to remove a face veil , which is all the niqab is primarily,during the Oath of Citizenship is not an excessive demand.

Again, this issue is limited to the select circumstances here in Canada, specifically, the swearing-in ceremony. This same issue exists with things like driver's licenses or passport documentation.

The only people that are thumping their chests about an all out ban is Justine and Flossy, and clearly they are doing so in a manner that is for a political ends rather than a feigned representation of women's rights.

also, nobody 'has' to immigrate to Canada either.

it is not some sort of imaginary global right that you can come here. lottsa other countries to hang yer burka on and try to call home.

Immigrants to any new nation are in a position to adopt the general mores and values of their host country... Perpetually flexibility to the whims of every new migrant slowly bastardizes the general culture in an unnatural way

The world is full of choices.

Canada, and Canadians also have choices available

 

[SLM]

Again, this issue is limited to the select circumstances here in Canada, specifically, the swearing-in ceremony. This same issue exists with things like driver's licenses or passport documentation.

The only people that are thumping their chests about an all out ban is Justine and Flossy, and clearly they are doing so in a manner that is for a political ends rather than a feigned representation of women's rights.

I only mention it as it has been brought up in the course of conversation here in this thread but otherwise, yes I completely agree.

 

[captain morgan]

I only mention it as it has been brought up in the course of conversation here in this thread but otherwise, yes I completely agree.

Good, now that we are all on the same page, I am off to make waffles

 

[Sal]

Good, now that we are all on the same page, I am off to make waffles

can you make pancakes too...not much trouble same batter and all

 

[SLM]

Good, now that we are all on the same page, I am off to make waffles

Without me?

 

[Locutus]

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I favour forcing Amish and Mennonite women to wear miniskirts and tiny li'l tops.

 

[pgs]

I favour forcing Amish and Mennonite women to wear miniskirts and tiny li'l tops.

And I would like to see Native American aboriginals running around in grass skirts and loin clothes .

 

[Zipperfish]

Burqas is an issue. Not so much in Canada though. In Canada, are big issue is boob burqas. We force women to cover up their funbags, really for no reason other than some ancient religious claptrap. Free yourself, women! Show me yer t!ts!!!!

 

[SLM]

Ah good, the thread has taken "the classy turn".

Carry on Frat House.