British economy set to overtake Germany's as Europe's largest - due to Brexit

Blackleaf

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I think you're some sort of UK white natty

And you think right, of course.

I'm no different from Irish or Scottish nationalists in being a white nationalist, or most American nationalists in the 1770s.

Nothing wrong in being white and a nationalist.
 
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coldstream

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Britain should take the plunge. Go for the No Deal Bexit and forget these 'Free' Trade Deals they are trying to cobble together as an alternative. Britain's primary challenge is to rebuild a sovereign, national, integrated, industrial economy. The only way to do that is with a sensible application of tariffs while encouraging enterprise creation and domestic competition. If Northern Ireland doesn't want to follow along then it should go its own way. The EU is falling apart anyway. There is no up side in tying yourself to a collapsing organization.
 

coldstream

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Glen Fiddich

Glenmorangie

Glenlevit

Talisker

Balvenie

Aberlour

Cardhu

Cragganmore

Laphroaig

Macallan

Bowmore

and Pusser's Rum


Talisker, Glenmorangie, Laphroaig are the pick of those mentioned. Add Highland Park (a great Orkney), Lagavulin, Ardbeg, Oban. Single Malts are all a matter of personal taste though. You can't really miss with Johnny Walker Black Label, though, if you're willing to lower yourself to a blended malt. Bring your debit card, though.. they are all expensive.
 

Blackleaf

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Looks like the UK's become the bootlegger of the world. It used to sell opium too back in the day.

Just a shame the Chinese government at the time bought most of their opium from the Indians.

I find it funny that so many people believe the myth that the Chinese government didn't want opium flooding their country.
 

coldstream

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Just a shame the Chinese government at the time bought most of their opium from the Indians.

I find it funny that so many people believe the myth that the Chinese government didn't want opium flooding their country.


Right that's why they fought a war to suppress it. Opium was blatant scourge on Chinese society and all honourable facets of Chinese leadership opposed it. The sheer outrage and debauchery of the British Empire's advocacy of it in the interests of trade exhibited the moral bankruptcy to which it had devolved.
 

Blackleaf

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Right that's why they fought a war to suppress it.

If the Chinese wanted to "suppress" opium then why were they buying tons of the stuff from the Indians?

It's time to end these Opium War myths.

The sheer debauchery of the British Empire's advocacy of it, in the interests of trade exhibited the moral bankruptcy to which it had devolve.

Less debauched than other countries, who sold more opium to the Chinese than the British did.

I wish people would stop peddling the myth that the Chinese authorities of the 1840s didn't want opium on their streets and that's the reason they fought the British. The truth is they didn't give a shit. The Chinese bought loads of the stuff from India.
 

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Talisker, Glenmorangie, Laphroaig are the pick of those mentioned. Add Highland Park (a great Orkney), Lagavulin, Ardbeg, Oban. Single Malts are all a matter of personal taste though. You can't really miss with Johnny Walker Black Label, though, if you're willing to lower yourself to a blended malt. Bring your debit card, though.. they are all expensive.
Teacher's Highland Cream is damned close to a single malt, too.
 

White_Unifier

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Just a shame the Chinese government at the time bought most of their opium from the Indians.
I find it funny that so many people believe the myth that the Chinese government didn't want opium flooding their country.
So what were the Opium Wars all about?
 

Curious Cdn

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Are they? How do you work that out?
Considering the British work more hours in Europe than anyone else, I'd say the British are the hardest-working of all Europeans.

Have you got the evidence for this bizarre claim?
Aston Martin, Bentley, Rolls-Royce, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lotus, Mini, McLaren.
bummer, eh?
http://www.cnn.com/2019/02/28/investing/aston-martin-shares/index.html
 

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BTW the UK is not going to be overtaking Germany in terms of GDP.

That simply is not going to happen
 

Curious Cdn

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BTW the UK is not going to be overtaking Germany in terms of GDP.
That simply is not going to happen
It is simply not possible. The only time that that happened, Germany was split into two parts and their cities were rubble. It didn't last long, either ... no more than two decades out of the last century and a half.
 

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The Chinese bought loads of the stuff from India.
Which, of course, was a British colony and the source of the opium. The British tried to force the Chinese Emperor to take their opium and that is why the war started, the Chinese pulled a Boston Tea Party stunt and dumped the opium into the ocean. After their corrupt empire fell apart after WW11, they handed the banner over to the Yanks.
 

Blackleaf

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So what were the Opium Wars all about?

The 1840-42 Anglo-Chinese war (the so-called “Opium War”) is almost universally believed to have been triggered by British imperial rapacity and determination to sell more and more opium into China. That belief is mistaken. The British went to war because of Chinese military threats to defenseless British civilians, including women and children; because China refused to negotiate on terms of diplomatic equality and because China refused to open more ports than Canton to trade, not just with Britain but with everybody. The belief about British “guilt” came later, as part of China’s long catalogue of alleged Western “exploitation and aggression.”


http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~ces/publications/docs/abs/Gelber_abst.html
 

Blackleaf

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BTW the UK is not going to be overtaking Germany in terms of GDP.

That simply is not going to happen

By 2030, the UK will overtake Germany economically. It will overtake Germany as Europe's most populous nation by 2050.

A demography report from the European statistics agency Eurostat in 2015 predicted that the UK would have the continent's biggest population by 2050, reaching 77.2 million, while Germany's will have dropped to 74.7 million.

The long-term forecast from the OECD predicts that the UK will have the biggest economy in Europe by 2050, overtaking Germany in the early 2030s: https://data.oecd.org/gdp/gdp-long-term-forecast.htm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance...in-will-become-biggest-economy-in-Europe.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...d-Western-Europe-Angela-Merkel-George-Osborne
 

Blackleaf

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It is simply not possible. The only time that that happened, Germany was split into two parts and their cities were rubble. It didn't last long, either ... no more than two decades out of the last century and a half.

Well Britain had a larger economy than Germany until 1915. After WWII Britain re-overtook West Germany as Europe's largest economy, but then West Germany re-overtook the UK in the 1960s. Now Britain is set to reovertake Germany as Europe's largest economy by 2030.