Brexit 2019: the Good, Bad and could-turn-Ugly options

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A good way to solve the UK-Ireland border "problem" is an Irexit.

Britain wants to attack China last week in military conflict in the eastern area of ​​China which is Trump wanted with the British when they left the new EU empire.

But that China should suffer no one knows at all in Asia but found the war in Vietnam by China's cohabitation of its brother there they are Communists for the past 50 years.
 

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"They have not a clue............" . That was by a British reporter - didn't catch his name - being interviewed on CTV News today. Pretty well sums up what we are seeing with the Brexit fiasco so far. Sorry, BL but I did break out laughing when I heard that.

It's not that the British Parliament doesn't have a clue. Our Remain-dominated Parliament - the most undemocratic British Parliament in living memory - DOES have a clue: it's deliberately making a mess of Brexit as a means to try and keep us in the EU regardless of what the British people democratically voted for.

This mess of Brexit is deliberate, all the work of the undemocratic Remainers.
 

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British Parliament rejects leaving E.U. without a deal, will vote Thursday on a delay


Lawmakers on Wednesday came out against a no-deal Brexit �� and the disruption of trade, travel and the economy to which it could lead. But the vote was largely symbolic. The default legal position is that Britain will leave without a deal on March 29. On Thursday, Parliament will vote on whether to request an extension, which would require approval by the leaders of the 27 other European Union

countries.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b25d3aedc&wpisrc=al_world__alert-world&wpmk=1

The Remainers can throw a hissy fit and "reject" a No Deal Brexit all they like (and it shows you how unpatriotic these Remainer politicians are that they are deliberately trying to scupper their OWN COUNTRY and hobble it in the negotiations by taking away the very thing that everybody quite rightly should have during negotiations: to just walk away if there is no good deal), but the fact remains that No Deal is STILL the legal default and that Britain WILL still leave the EU without a deal if it can't get a good deal.

MPs also voted to extend Article 50 which means the UK may not leave the EU until something like the 30th June. This is very dangerous for the Remainers because it means the UK would take part in EU Parliament elections in May which would almost certainly see Ukip win in a landslide and destroy the Tory and Labour parties, which many Leave voters would very much enjoy seeing. But the only way there can be a delay to Britain leaving the EU would be if all the remaining 27 EU Member States agree to it, and that's no where near guaranteed. It could well be the case that the EU tells the UK next week that it will not grant an extension and that we must leave on 29th March - and, of course, that would almost certainly see the UK leave the EU on that date with a No Deal Brexit, as no new deal would surely be forthcoming by then.
 

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The Remainers can throw a hissy fit and "reject" a No Deal Brexit all they like (and it shows you how unpatriotic these Remainer politicians are that they are deliberately trying to scupper their OWN COUNTRY and hobble it in the negotiations by taking away the very thing that everybody quite rightly should have during negotiations: to just walk away if there is no good deal), but the fact remains that No Deal is STILL the legal default and that Britain WILL still leave the EU without a deal if it can't get a good deal.
MPs also voted to extend Article 50 which means the UK may not leave the EU until something like the 30th June. This is very dangerous for the Remainers because it means the UK would take part in EU Parliament elections in May which would almost certainly see Ukip win in a landslide and destroy the Tory and Labour parties, which many Leave voters would very much enjoy seeing. But the only way there can be a delay to Britain leaving the EU would be if all the remaining 27 EU Member States agree to it, and that's no where near guaranteed. It could well be the case that the EU tells the UK next week that it will not grant an extension and that we must leave on 29th March - and, of course, that would almost certainly see the UK leave the EU on that date with a No Deal Brexit, as no new deal would surely be forthcoming by then.
You guys are a joke.
 

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You guys are a joke.

We wouldn't be such a joke had we actually had a democratic parliament that was willing to honour the referendum result and take us fully out of the European Union. It's the Remainers that have caused this mess, nobody else.
 

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We wouldn't be such a joke had we actually had a democratic parliament that was willing to honour the referendum result and take us fully out of the European Union. It's the Remainers that have caused this mess, nobody else.
You're no longer capable of ruling yourselves.

You could become an American Protectorate like Puerto Rico, I suppose.
 

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Why a Brexit extension spells trouble for the EU

Johannes de Jong


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Johannes de Jong
14 March 2019
The Spectator

Now that Theresa May’s deal has been decisively defeated again, the message from Brussels has been clear: the Brexit impasse is your problem, not ours. But for all the bluster, don’t believe it: the Brexit deadlock is bad news for the EU.

Perhaps understandably, there is anger and frustration on the continent over Westminster’s rejection of the withdrawal agreement. As a result, the EU is attempting to suggest that an extension to the transition period might not be on offer. This was the implied message in Donald Tusk’s reaction to the vote on Tuesday night. The president of the European Council said there must be a ‘credible justification for a possible extension’. ‘The smooth functioning of the EU institutions will need to be ensured,’ he said. But Tusk also knows that the latter would hardly be well served by a no-deal Brexit. He also knows that if Britain does leave without a deal on 29 March, the EU won’t escape the blame for the fallout. Particularly if Britain asks for an extension that isn’t granted.

So while the EU can technically say yes or no to an extension, it is almost certainly a foregone conclusion that they will offer one if asked. Tusk has tweeted this morning to say ‘I will appeal to the EU27 to be open to a long extension if the UK finds it necessary to rethink its Brexit strategy’. Granting this extension will ensure that the EU won’t be blamed for a messy Brexit at the end of March, yet this offer would still cause problems for the EU. There is a fear growing currency in the EU that an extension of Article 50 will simply lead us back to where we are now. It’s not hard to see why. The thinking goes that Theresa May will try again to get her deal passed.

She’ll fail. And when this happens, May will ask for the impossible – not get it – and no deal will again be the default option.

The EU is obviously keen to avoid this, so it will attempt to set terms when it grants an extension. Yet for all the posturing on this, in reality, the EU has little power to do so; it cannot unilaterally impose how the extension should look. It will fall to the European capitals, and not to Brussels, to put down some ‘red lines’ but they cannot dictate the actual content of how the UK will deal with Brexit during an extension, even if Tusk’s tweet today suggests otherwise. All they can do is give Michel Barnier, the chief Brexit negotiator, these red lines as a mandate on the extension negotiations. So like it or not, they cannot demand a ‘people’s vote’ or ‘soft Brexit’. All they can do is ask that Britain thinks of an alternative to the rejected May Deal. Even if a new mandate is granted to the Commission then, the ball will still very much be in Britain’s court as the UK is essentially the only party that can determine the content of the extension.

In the mean time, it is clear that Brexit is proving to be a sideshow and unwelcome distraction for the EU. So behind the bluster of the EU27 there is some serious Brexit desperation on the continent. There is not only fear for a no-deal Brexit, there is also fear for what an extension will do to eurofederalist dreams. During yesterday’s pointless debate in the European parliament, this fear was expressed concisely by Guy Verhofstadt:
‘I don’t want a long extension. I say that very openly. An extension, where we go beyond the European elections, and the European elections will be hijacked by the Brexiters, and by the whole Brexit issues. We will talk only about that, and not about the real problems, and the real reforms we need in the European Union.’
Some from the EU side have been attempting to use the upcoming European elections as a threat. The message to Brexiteers is that if Britain stays put beyond the end of March, then it will almost certainly have to take part in these elections in May. It’s true that this would be a nuisance for British voters, who were already largely apathetic about who represents them in the European parliament even before the Brexit vote. But in reality it would be a bigger nuisance for the EU. Loud-mouthed British eurosceptic MEPs would continue to spoil the party for those who want to concentrate more power in Brussels. And if an extension is granted, Brexit will continue to take up valuable time for the EU’s legion of bureaucrats.

So if Brits feel fed up with the never-ending Brexit sideshow in Westminster, spare a thought for the EU; those in Brussels feel the same. Trapped between wanting rid of the Brits but also keen to avoid being blamed for no deal, the EU is certain to grant Britain an extension. But in doing so it will postpone the dreams of the eurofederalists.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/why-a-brexit-extension-spells-trouble-for-the-eu/
 

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You're no longer capable of ruling yourselves.

You could become an American Protectorate like Puerto Rico, I suppose.

Taking us for fools! DOMINIC SANDBROOK says our sneering and pompous MPs could threaten the future of our democracy

By Dominic Sandbrook for the Daily Mail
15 March 2019


The great Cambridge historian Robert Tombs, a Brexiteer, has argued that the current Parliament is the most unrepresentative and undemocratic since before the Great Reform Act of 1832, when the vast majority of British men and women could not even vote


Another week, another parliamentary spectacle of almost mind-boggling irresponsibility.

To recap for readers who have better things to do than pore over the continuing Westminster car crash, Theresa May returned from Strasbourg on Monday with a tweak to her EU Withdrawal Agreement, which her own Attorney General promptly torpedoed with his opinion that it made no legal difference.

On Tuesday, MPs rejected her deal by a colossal 149-vote majority. On Wednesday they voted to reject a No Deal exit, with 13 ministers defying the Tory whips to abstain.

Then on Thursday, to compound the general sense of shambolic ungovernability, MPs rejected a measure to take control of the process from the Government, rejected a proposal for a second referendum and finally voted to extend the Brexit process beyond March 29, the date when we were supposed to be leaving the EU.


MPs (pictured above) voted down Theresa May's plan after she returned from Strasbourg earlier this week

To give you some sense of the chaos on Thursday, the Brexit Secretary voted against the very plan for which he had just been arguing in the Commons. The chief whip, who had been in charge of getting MPs to back the Government, abstained.

And to cap it all, the risible second referendum campaign put out a statement urging MPs to vote against such a vote, claiming the time was ‘not right’.

Not even the cruellest satirist could make up this sort of stuff.

You might, I suppose, argue that this is how politics is supposed to work. Britain’s departure from the EU is a hugely difficult and complicated endeavour, so MPs should not necessarily be pilloried for taking their time and getting it right.

But surely no one could claim that our political class have covered themselves in glory. For in recent months it has become painfully clear that most MPs are completely out of their depth.


Prime Minister Theresa May (pictured above) has had her previous deals rejected


Many are simply too dim to understand the issues. They are not intellectually capable of grasping the complexity of the challenge, the importance of dealing honestly with our neighbours or the urgency of showing the public that they respect the result of the referendum.

There is, of course, plenty of blame to go around. Like many Mail readers, I have long since tired of seeing the likes of Dominic Grieve and Anna Soubry draping themselves in the tattered EU flag and congratulating themselves on their so-called principles, while doing all in their power to frustrate the democratic verdict of the British people.

Yet at the same time I find it physically painful to listen to card-carrying fools such as the Tory hardliner Andrew Bridgen, who wrongly told a radio interviewer that all Englishmen were automatically entitled to Irish passports, or his fellow Brexiteer Mark Francois, who announced that he would not back Mrs May’s deal because ‘I was in the Army. I wasn’t trained to lose’.

Perhaps some readers will think I am being harsh, but this sort of behaviour would be beneath the dignity of a sixth-former standing for the school council, let alone a Member of Parliament.


Andrew Bridgen (pictured above) wrongly told a radio show that all Englishmen were entitled to Irish passports

It is true that, as the great conservative thinker Edmund Burke wrote in 1774, our MPs are not delegates, and are free to think and vote as they like.

Yet in a mature democracy, our political representatives ought to show an ounce of respect for the views of the men and women who sent them to Westminster. And it is hardly unreasonable to expect them to inform themselves about the issues, to speak and act with seriousness and responsibility, and to put the national interest ahead of their own narcissistic posturing.

Whatever you think of Brexit, it is the greatest political challenge we have faced since World War II.

Yet when the Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox, develops an elaborate sub-Les Dawson routine, gleefully likening his legal advice to a ‘codpiece’, and finds time to tweet the word ‘b******s’ to the journalist Jon Snow, you wonder whether he is taking his job seriously.


According to Dominic Sandbrook, Commons Speaker John Bercow (above) has used the whole situation to show off

There is more, of course.

What about all those Labour MPs merrily tweeting photos of themselves in the voting lobbies, in flagrant defiance of Westminster rules?

What about the Commons Speaker, John Bercow, who treats the whole thing as an opportunity to show off?

What about Jeremy Corbyn, who rants and raves at the despatch box without showing the slightest scintilla of intelligence or integrity?

What about that clown Boris Johnson, who sees all this as a vehicle for his leadership ambitions, and blithely tells a radio interviewer that police investigations into historic child sex abuse were ‘spaffing money up the wall’ — using a street-slang word meaning ejaculation? And what about the aforementioned Mark Francois, jousting with novelist Will Self on TV about the size of his penis?


Boris Johnson (pictured above) told a radio show that police investigations into historic sex abuse were 'spaffing money up the wall'

It almost went unnoticed that Labour MP Fiona Onasanya turned up to vote this week wearing an electronic tag, having just been released from prison after lying when she was caught speeding.

So much for the dignity of the Mother of Parliaments!

There are, of course, serious issues behind this shambles.First, I find it utterly baffling that the hardliners in the Tory European Research Group (ERG) would prefer to risk having no Brexit at all rather than vote for Mrs May’s deal.


Steve Baker (pictured above) is part of the hardliner ERG group


To cut a long story short, they have invented their own elaborate fantasy of the perfect deal (which the EU would never accept), and are determined to veto anything that does not tick all their little boxes.

This is the very definition of political irresponsibility.

Yes, Mrs May’s deal isn’t perfect. But what did they expect? Did they seriously think Britain would get everything its own way?

It is curious that the hardliners often talk of their great love for Margaret Thatcher, because she was nothing if not a pragmatist. When she negotiated her budget rebate from the EU in the early 1980s, for example, she had to settle for less than she initially wanted.

Did she throw her toys out of the pram? No. But she was a serious politician.

There is no doubt that some ERG hardliners have become addicted to the sound of their own voices. Would their chief shop steward, Steve Baker, be on television quite so often if Brexit were done and dusted? No wonder he and his friends keep voting against the deal.

They don’t want to lose their place in the limelight.

The other great villains are the hardliners on the other side, the slavering ‘People’s Vote’ fanatics who never miss a chance, their bottom lips wobbling, to tell us how wonderfully principled they are.

Once again, it amazes me that these sanctimonious prigs cannot see how arrogant, graceless and irresponsible they appear. If they got their way, and a second referendum overturned the first, what do they think would happen?

How do they think people would react in the great swathes of the North and Midlands that voted Leave? Doesn’t it occur to them, in the smug fastnesses of their conceited little minds, that the reaction would be bedlam?

Don’t they care that this would create a lasting narrative of betrayal, with the common people cheated by an arrogant elite? Don’t they care that this would hand a gift-wrapped present to the far Right and far Left?

Doesn’t it occur to them to this would play directly into the hands of extremists like the lunatics who massacred 49 people in mosques in New Zealand yesterday, pouring fuel on the flames of their exaggerated resentments?


Theresa May (pictured above) has proposed the deal several times to MPs in parliament


The great Cambridge historian Robert Tombs, a Brexiteer, has argued that the current Parliament is the most unrepresentative and undemocratic since before the Great Reform Act of 1832, when the vast majority of British men and women could not even vote.

I don’t agree with him about everything, but he’s right about Parliament. As I have written in the Mail for years, the fact that our MPs have become a narrow, gilded political class, with little experience of the outside world and little sense of how ordinary people think and behave, has undermined our sense of democratic legitimacy.

Whatever you think about Brexit, Parliament is not reflecting the views of the British people. And if our MPs continue to reject a deal, leaving us trapped in the limbo of a permanent extension, millions will not forgive them.

I was struck by the tumultuous applause on Thursday night when, on BBC1’s Question Time, one member of the West London audience said MPs’ betrayal of the Leave vote means he will ‘never, ever’ again vote in an election. There must be many, many more who feel the same.

The grim irony of all this, though, is that it is all so unnecessary.

Even back in June 2016, when Britain voted to leave the EU, it was blindingly obvious that we would end up with some kind of pragmatic compromise, leaving the formal structures of the EU without torpedoing our economy.

That is precisely what Mrs May’s deal does. No such deal could be perfect, because it represents an accommodation between ideals and reality.

What also strikes me as bizarre about so many MPs’ opposition to Mrs May’s deal is the glaring fact that no other deal is available. The EU have made it crystal clear that they are not going to renegotiate.

We can rant and rave about that as much as we like — and believe me, I enjoy shaking my fist across the Channel as much as anybody — but what good would that do?

The most likely alternative to Mrs May’s deal, in fact, is that we extend the deadline before slouching disconsolately back into the EU, whether as part of a so-called Norway-plus deal or as formal members once again.

That would be a disaster, not just for our national pride but for our sense of democratic integrity.

The other irony is that if only we could stop quarrelling and get on with it, we might notice Britain is in far better shape than we often think. The underlying principles of our society are strong.

Our economy has performed much better since 2016 than many people expected, including me. Employment is at a record high. Austerity is coming to an end. The threat of Scottish secession has receded for the time being.

And despite all the clichés about a divided country, usually from hysterical Remainers, most ordinary people are not divided at all.

Whatever their feelings about Brexit, most don’t want a long extension, don’t want a second referendum and just want our MPs to get on with it.

The problem is not the people. It is the political class, who insist on behaving as if they were showing off at the student union, not managing the affairs of a great country.

It doesn’t seem to occur to the hard-Brexiteers that, for all the bluster about taking back control and regaining sovereignty, they have shown themselves manifestly incapable of exerting control or wielding sovereignty.

Nor has it occurred to the Remainers that for all their pious cant about the sanctity of Parliament and the rights of MPs, they have been revealed as utterly unfit to sit on the benches once adorned by Winston Churchill and Clement Attlee.

Still, with Mrs May’s deal likely to return to the Commons next week, our MPs will have one last chance to redeem themselves. One last chance for the Tories to remember that Conservatism is the political expression of reasoned pragmatism, and for Labour to remember what millions of working-class men and women voted for back in 2016.

But if they continue to put posturing self-interest ahead of a national compromise, and to treat our Parliament as a circus, they can hardly blame the rest of us for concluding that Westminster politics is broken beyond repair.

Three hundred and sixty-six years ago, Oliver Cromwell marched into Parliament, seized the Mace and ordered his troops to clear the building.

‘It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice,’ roared Cromwell. ‘Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation... In the name of God, go!’

For the next five years, Cromwell effectively ran England himself. And he did it extremely well, dying peacefully in his bed with the nation prosperous, strong and respected across the world.

I don’t know about you, but I can’t help wishing old Oliver was still around.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...OOK-says-sneering-MPs-threaten-democracy.html
 

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Theresa May was landed into the middle of this pile of poo because of history. She must be ready to jump off the Tower Bridge, just about now.
 

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I'm surprised that the whole government hasn't gone down on a Confidence Motion, yet. If you don't exit on March 29th ... and the odds of that happening now are pretty long, you could have a General Election before Brexit with the outcome being a second referendum on Brexit.

You may not be leaving, after all.
 

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I'm surprised that the whole government hasn't gone down on a Confidence Motion, yet. If you don't exit on March 29th ... and the odds of that happening now are pretty long


Not according to the bookmakers Ladbrokes and Coral. They give odds of 7/2 that Britain will leave the EU with no deal by 1st April.


you could have a General Election before Brexit with the outcome being a second referendum on Brexit.


You may not be leaving, after all.


An undemocratic second referendum would just lead to another Leave vote but by an even bigger margin.


But earlier this week MPs in the Commons voted against a second referendum.
 
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Also, despite voting for an extension to Article 50, many MPs are worried that this would cause UKIP to destroy Labour and Tories in the EU elections in May which the UK would have to take part in according to EU law. So worried, in fact, that during the Commons debate this week before the vote on an extension many MPs asked Deputy Prime Minister David Lidington if there was any way the UK could abstain from voting in those elections (remember, our MPs don't like democracy).


Now the EU has Tweeted that if it grants an extension but the UK then says that it will not vote in the EU elections in May then the UK would be instantly thrown out of the EU.

It seems that whatever the Remainers try they just keep getting defeated.
 

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Here's your big chance to pick up a few extra Bob.

Well the EU has told British MPs to accept May's deal and that it will NOT negotiate another deal. Basically, the EU has told Britain: "It's May's Deal or No Deal."

Yet our thick-as-mince MPs have twice voted against May's deal and, this week, they also voted against No Deal. So did they not listen to what the EU has told them?

May's deal goes to the vote again next week and if MPs reject it - as is almost certain - they will then instead get the thing most of them don't want: a No Deal Brexit.

Because they are intellectually challenged and don't seem to have noticed the EU saying: "It's May's Deal or No Deal.
 

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Not according to the bookmakers Ladbrokes and Coral. They give odds of 7/2 that Britain will leave the EU with no deal by 1st April.
That is excellent news! I agree with paying attention to the bookies. They're smart, have great sources, clear-eyed in evaluating the situation, and most of all, they have skin in the game, unlike the flapping mouths.
 

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Why a Brexit extension spells trouble for the EU
Johannes de Jong


Guy Verhofstadt
Johannes de Jong
14 March 2019
The Spectator
Now that Theresa May’s deal has been decisively defeated again, the message from Brussels has been clear: the Brexit impasse is your problem, not ours. But for all the bluster, don’t believe it: the Brexit deadlock is bad news for the EU.
Perhaps understandably, there is anger and frustration on the continent over Westminster’s rejection of the withdrawal agreement. As a result, the EU is attempting to suggest that an extension to the transition period might not be on offer. This was the implied message in Donald Tusk’s reaction to the vote on Tuesday night. The president of the European Council said there must be a ‘credible justification for a possible extension’. ‘The smooth functioning of the EU institutions will need to be ensured,’ he said. But Tusk also knows that the latter would hardly be well served by a no-deal Brexit. He also knows that if Britain does leave without a deal on 29 March, the EU won’t escape the blame for the fallout. Particularly if Britain asks for an extension that isn’t granted.
So while the EU can technically say yes or no to an extension, it is almost certainly a foregone conclusion that they will offer one if asked. Tusk has tweeted this morning to say ‘I will appeal to the EU27 to be open to a long extension if the UK finds it necessary to rethink its Brexit strategy’. Granting this extension will ensure that the EU won’t be blamed for a messy Brexit at the end of March, yet this offer would still cause problems for the EU. There is a fear growing currency in the EU that an extension of Article 50 will simply lead us back to where we are now. It’s not hard to see why. The thinking goes that Theresa May will try again to get her deal passed.
She’ll fail. And when this happens, May will ask for the impossible – not get it – and no deal will again be the default option.
The EU is obviously keen to avoid this, so it will attempt to set terms when it grants an extension. Yet for all the posturing on this, in reality, the EU has little power to do so; it cannot unilaterally impose how the extension should look. It will fall to the European capitals, and not to Brussels, to put down some ‘red lines’ but they cannot dictate the actual content of how the UK will deal with Brexit during an extension, even if Tusk’s tweet today suggests otherwise. All they can do is give Michel Barnier, the chief Brexit negotiator, these red lines as a mandate on the extension negotiations. So like it or not, they cannot demand a ‘people’s vote’ or ‘soft Brexit’. All they can do is ask that Britain thinks of an alternative to the rejected May Deal. Even if a new mandate is granted to the Commission then, the ball will still very much be in Britain’s court as the UK is essentially the only party that can determine the content of the extension.
In the mean time, it is clear that Brexit is proving to be a sideshow and unwelcome distraction for the EU. So behind the bluster of the EU27 there is some serious Brexit desperation on the continent. There is not only fear for a no-deal Brexit, there is also fear for what an extension will do to eurofederalist dreams. During yesterday’s pointless debate in the European parliament, this fear was expressed concisely by Guy Verhofstadt:
‘I don’t want a long extension. I say that very openly. An extension, where we go beyond the European elections, and the European elections will be hijacked by the Brexiters, and by the whole Brexit issues. We will talk only about that, and not about the real problems, and the real reforms we need in the European Union.’
Some from the EU side have been attempting to use the upcoming European elections as a threat. The message to Brexiteers is that if Britain stays put beyond the end of March, then it will almost certainly have to take part in these elections in May. It’s true that this would be a nuisance for British voters, who were already largely apathetic about who represents them in the European parliament even before the Brexit vote. But in reality it would be a bigger nuisance for the EU. Loud-mouthed British eurosceptic MEPs would continue to spoil the party for those who want to concentrate more power in Brussels. And if an extension is granted, Brexit will continue to take up valuable time for the EU’s legion of bureaucrats.
So if Brits feel fed up with the never-ending Brexit sideshow in Westminster, spare a thought for the EU; those in Brussels feel the same. Trapped between wanting rid of the Brits but also keen to avoid being blamed for no deal, the EU is certain to grant Britain an extension. But in doing so it will postpone the dreams of the eurofederalists.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/why-a-brexit-extension-spells-trouble-for-the-eu/

Typical Brits. So damned annoying the EU will probably eventually give you the deal you want just to shut you up, assuming the EU doesn't vote to throw the UK to the curb first.
 

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Typical Brits. So damned annoying the EU will probably eventually give you the deal you want just to shut you up, assuming the EU doesn't vote to throw the UK to the curb first.

Yeah. How dare millions of people want their country to regain its independence?

A terrible and annoying state of affairs.
 

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Typical Brits. So damned annoying the EU will probably eventually give you the deal you want just to shut you up, assuming the EU doesn't vote to throw the UK to the curb first.
Build a wall in the middle of the Channel and make them pay for it.
 

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If Remainers get their long extension, for a start, it should mean that the UK has to hold Euro elections in May. See Brendan O’Neill’s podcast interview with Nigel Farage for a hint at the fun the latter’s newly registered Brexit Party could have with those.


When ‘delayed’ means betrayed

The vote to extend Article 50 is a victory for the ‘Bugger Brexit’ Party.



MICK HUME
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15th March 2019



British MPs have backed prime minister Theresa May’s motion to delay Brexit. If the EU agrees, it means the UK will not leave on 29 March as planned. Instead we will not quit the EU until ‘at least the end of June’. Or if the Remainer majority in parliament has its way, as the old song says, ‘Until the 12th of Never’.

Look up ‘delay’ in a thesaurus and you will find its synonyms include not only ‘hold back’ and ‘stall’, but also ‘shelve’. Most appropriately in this case, delay can mean the same as ‘bugger’. The vote to seek to shelve withdrawal is another parliamentary win for the ‘Bugger Brexit’ Party.

The motion to seek an extension to Article 50, passed overwhelmingly by 413 votes to 202, adds one more lie to the pile marked Brexit betrayals.

In the June 2016 EU referendum, let us never let them forget, 17.4million people voted Leave – the largest popular mandate for anything in British political history. In the June 2017 General Election, both the Tory and Labour parties stood on manifestoes pledging to honour that result and deliver Brexit. For the past two years, May’s Conservative government has sworn that the UK would leave on 29 March.

Now we know that the only things these parties intend to leave behind are their empty promises to the electorate.

Let’s be clear – in current circumstances, Brexit delayed means Brexit betrayed. Her May-jesty will try for a third time to get her (non-)Withdrawal Agreement through parliament next week. If she succeeds, the prime minister will ask the EU to agree to a ‘short, technical extension’ to Article 50 to enable her to pass all the necessary legislation. If she fails, then a much longer delay is likely.

In other words, extending Article 50 is code for imposing a stark choice. Either we get stuck with May’s version of Remain-by-another-name, which would leave us subject to EU rules, or Brexit gets delayed for so long that we are left with outright Remain.

There will be nothing ‘technical’ about a Brexit delay. It is a political act of sabotage. To understand what is happening, we need only look at the enthusiasm with which hardcore Remainers have embraced the notion of what fossilised Tory Europhile Ken Clarke called a ‘good, long delay’.

European Council president Donald Tusk wants a longer extension than three months, tweeting that he would ask the 27 EU member states ‘to be open to a long extension if the UK finds it necessary to rethink its Brexit strategy’. That is, the Euro elites will delay Brexit long enough for the revolting Brits to come to our senses and abandon it altogether. The Times reports that ‘EU leaders could demand that Britain hold a second referendum as a condition for a longer extension’. Democracy apparently means so little that it is now up to the EU to demand what we vote for.

The vote to delay / bugger Brexit is a betrayal of the major parties’ promises, but not of their principles. This, after all, is what the overwhelming Remainer majority of MPs wanted all along. Behind all the divisions and parties-within-parties revealed by this week’s parliamentary shenanigans, there remains a clear anti-Brexit majority among MPs, aided and abetted by conniving Speaker John Bercow, and bugger whether their constituents backed it or not.
The final resolution remains uncertain. All options are still technically on the table; the UK remains legally committed to leaving on 29 March unless and until the law is changed. However, things look grim for a meaningful exit; some Tory Brexiteers and the DUP are making vague noises about using Article 62 of the Vienna Convention (oh yes, that old chestnut!) as an excuse for backing May’s deal next week, while Labour’s arch-Remainer buzzards are circling.

But however its planned betrayal of Brexit pans out, the political class cannot delay its own day of reckoning forever. The naked contempt politicians have displayed for voters and popular democracy will not go unrewarded. The Leave revolt has let the democratic genie out of the bottle, and it will not easily be shoved back in.

If Remainers get their long extension, for a start, it should mean that the UK has to hold Euro elections in May. See Brendan O’Neill’s podcast interview with Nigel Farage for a hint at the fun the latter’s newly registered Brexit Party could have with those.

The chaos surrounding this week’s vote to delay and betray Brexit is a microcosm of the dire state of official UK politics. It confirms that both major zombie parties are deeply divided, and that May’s government does not have authority within its own cabinet room, never mind in the country at large. The old political order is falling apart under the pressures of trying to contain the democratic revolt for Brexit.

Amid all this rancour and uncertainty, one thing remains clear: how right Leave voters were to vote to take back control from the demos-loathing EU elites and their allies in the UK’s ‘Bugger Brexit’ alliance.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/15/when-delayed-means-betrayed/
 
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