Brexit 2019: the Good, Bad and could-turn-Ugly options

Blackleaf

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Theresa May threatens to block No Deal Brexit 'by joining forces with Rudd and Hammond' as friends say she voted for Remainer Rory Stewart in Tory contest
So, the 'secret Remainer' is now at least out in the open about it.
The UK has been betrayed, she was in cahoots with the EU all along.

I don't think it was any secret, really.

She rather ingeniously picked Olly Robbins, an ardent Remainer, to be her chief Brexit negotiator. That was a shrewd move on her part - picking someone to lead negotiations on Britain's behalf who's actually on the other side.

It's like Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. He decided to choose Remainer Keir Starmer as Shadow Brexit Secretary. That's like having a Shadow Education Secretary who's anti-education.
 

spilledthebeer

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Actually, a common currency and labour market has business advantages. To have to convert currencies all the time is an overhead cost. So is having to go through immigration bureaucracy to hire someone with the specialized skills you need. It helps to eliminate red tape.




Oh yes.................................


that Common Currency deal has WORKED SO WELL for the PIGS..............................................


Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The "common currency allowed the PIGS to get deeper in debt with cooked books...................................


while AVOIDING MAJOR DEVALUATION of that common currency in bankrupt Greek hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It was a boon to Greek civil service union HOGS who got paid just as if.............................................


they were orderly and efficient GERMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


While the Greek economy collapsed into ruins..................................


TOO BAD the Greek economic ruins are not nearly as SCENIC as the Parthenon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Actually, a common currency and labour market has business advantages. To have to convert currencies all the time is an overhead cost. So is having to go through immigration bureaucracy to hire someone with the specialized skills you need. It helps to eliminate red tape.
Yet we trade with America and exchange currencies on a daily basis .Converting Canadian to American takes two seconds on a calculator.
 

White_Unifier

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So you'd be quite happy to drop the dollar, adopt the euro, a currency which has brought economic disaster to many EU member states, most notably Greece, and have Canadian interest rates the same as all the other eurozone member states' interest rates, which are set in Frankfurt by foreigners to the benefit of Germany and not any of the other member states?
I was referring more to the principle than the detail. An ideal universal currency might be gold milligrams in electronic transactions and a standardized gold dinar in physical ones.
 
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and costs you both the spread and fees.

If you work in the travel industry, you're constantly converting between currencies. Even if it only takes seconds, it soon adds up to minutes, hourd, days, and weeks across the world economy. Time is money, and even a second is time. It soon adds up.

Think of the import and export business too.
 

White_Unifier

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I would actually support a move for Canada to recognize the milligram of gold as an alternative legal tender to the CAD in electronic transactions and a standardized gold dinar in physical currency. This would mean that legally, a Canadian business would required to accept one of either gold or CAD, though it would still be free to accept both if it wanted to.

Should enough states around the world follow suit,some Canadian business would start accepting both and some might even refuse the CAD over time in favour of a common currency
 

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I would actually support a move for Canada to recognize the milligram of gold as an alternative legal tender to the CAD in electronic transactions and a standardized gold dinar in physical currency. This would mean that legally, a Canadian business would required to accept one of either gold or CAD, though it would still be free to accept both if it wanted to.
Should enough states around the world follow suit,some Canadian business would start accepting both and some might even refuse the CAD over time in favour of a common currency
Think of it. If the Canadian currency went up, up, up in value in lockstep with the price of gold how that would devastate our manufacturing sector and our exports in general. Our lower-valued currency is our secret weapon in trade with the US.
 

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Think of it. If the Canadian currency went up, up, up in value in lockstep with the price of gold how that would devastate our manufacturing sector and our exports in general. Our lower-valued currency is our secret weapon in trade with the US.

The value of gold would become far more stable over time if used more frequently as a currency rather than an investment.

If it goes up a bit, nothing would stup a business from readjusting its prices and wages accordingly just as we do with the CAD.But unlike the CAD, gold is more stable over the long term.

Also, I did say that we should require busunesses to accept eitjer gold or CAD, the other being optional. So if gold worries a business, it could refuse gold as long as it accepts CAD.

Also, I never suggested we pin CAD to gold.
 

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The value of gold would become far more stable over time if used more frequently as a currency rather than an investment.
If it goes up a bit, nothing would stup a business from readjusting its prices and wages accordingly.
It would encourage us to buy even more from foreigners and even less from each other. Our floating currency helps us by "isolating" us (to a small extent).
 

White_Unifier

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It would encourage us to buy even more from foreigners and even less from each other. Our floating currency helps us by "isolating" us (to a small extent).

That's why I suggested requiring Canadian businesses to accept either CAD or gold while still giving them the freedom to accept one but not the othet if they wish. More domestic busineses might stick to the CAD while those that trade extensively through different currencies might happily drop the CAD for gold as long as their partnets abroad could do the same. I'm proposing it as a choice.
 

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Canadian employment has moved up as our dollar has moved down.

A Canadian dollar over par was devastating for our economy

the so-called petro-dollar was killing us.
 

spilledthebeer

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Yet we trade with America and exchange currencies on a daily basis .Converting Canadian to American takes two seconds on a calculator.






I suggest you go and check out how much of "our trade" ..........................................................


is DELIBERATELY PRICED IN YANKEE DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And as various WHINY Cross border shoppers have noted.....................................


WE PAY A PREMIUM for a lot of stuff coming from United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you were actually INTERESTED in anything outside your LITTLE RED Book of Soviet quotations.............................


you would know that it was the Argentine CHOICE to peg their peso as being EQUAL...........................................


to the Yankee dollar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That RUINED the Argentine economy....................................


and LED DIRECTLY to the Generals taking over...........................................


and then the Generals trying to prop up the economy by grabbing The Falkland Islands from Britain...........................


so BANKRUPT Socialist Argentina WOULD NOT have to share fishing grounds and desperately needed new oil revenue from fields off the coast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In the 1980`s , Argentina was in exactly the same SOVIET SOCIALIST MESS as Venezuela is TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yet NO SOCIALIST will ever admit their system DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



What a bunch of MAROONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

White_Unifier

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Canadian employment has moved up as our dollar has moved down.
A Canadian dollar over par was devastating for our economy
the so-called petro-dollar was killing us.

Well there you go: the dollar is no better except that gold would be more stable over the long term and could lead to a common currency for practical business.
 

spilledthebeer

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Well there you go: the dollar is no better except that gold would be more stable over the long term and could lead to a common currency for practical business.




IMBECILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It IS THE DEBT that is messing up our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


International bankers MADE IT CLEAR that if LIE-beral Wynne-bag was re-elected last year.................................


then we would GET HIT WITH HUGE NEW PENALTIES FOR OUR BORROWING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The ONLY THING standing between us and economic CHAOS in Ontari-owe.................................................


IS DOUG FORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Our idiot Boy Justin has also been quietly PUT ON NOTICE..................................


by the same international bankers............................................


that HIS $30 billion dollar 2016 budget WAS UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The idiot Boy would be getting WARNINGS about his series of $20 billion dollar deficits as well..................................


but it seems very likely that Our idiot Boy will be PM for only a SHORT TIME into the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bankers are TAKING COMFORT ..................................................


as support for LIE-beral fiscal madness fades like snow in July!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral policy is SO SCREWED they are trying to tell us our "economy is BOOMING"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even as our personal debt and GOVT DEBT hits record levels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They tell us "we are booming" even as the number of people at food banks SOARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They tell us "all is well' even as the number of HOMELESS SOARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They tell us Cdns are "content" even as record numbers of kids visit hospitals seeking aid for "self harm" injuries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They tell us "the land is strong" as record numbers of drug addicts DIE in alley ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals insist "all is well" even as they tell us there is a DESPERATE NEED for Pharmacare so that old folks will be able to afford



3 meals a day AND GET their prescription drugs as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals tell us "they want to make Canada better" AND THEY MEAN IS...................................................


MAKE CANADA BETTER FOR THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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A Leaver business owner wipes the floor with a Remainer BBC news reporter. Let's face it: it's not the first time Leavers have defeated Remainers. It's just so easy to do.
 

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anything would be more stable than oil.

it is purposely unstable,
 

Danbones

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No. He likes oil. It's "unstable".
;)
I guess it's also a case of "go with what you know".
 

spilledthebeer

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anything would be more stable than oil.

it is purposely unstable,






Oh yes..............................


oil is as unstable as LIE-beral party policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But hemer-HOID HAS NOTHING TO SAY about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its just the usual LIE-beral HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Oh my- here is an article letting us know the LIE-berals have approved the Kinder Morgan pipeline- and then hitting us with THE BIG STALL!!

With some comments of my own in brackets):

Trans Mountain pipeline expansion gets green light to proceed

By Amanda Connolly, Global News.

Published June 18, 2019

A sign warning of an underground petroleum pipeline is seen on a fence at Kinder Morgan's facility where work is being conducted in preparation for the expansion of the Trans Mountain Pipeline, in Burnaby, B.C., on April 9, 2018.

(There is the FIRST Fake News- by all accounts NOTHING has been done on the pipeline since LIE-berals bought it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project is a go.

(And there is the SECOND PIECE of Fake News!! LIE-berals have imposed that pesky BAN on tanker traffic in the west coast so the pipe is currently a LINE TO NOWHERE UNLESS LIE-berals reverse themselves and REMOVE the tanker ban!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced on Tuesday afternoon that the federal cabinet has approved the expansion of the existing pipeline, which the government bought for $4.5 billion last year after regulatory and political uncertainty led Kinder Morgan to abandon the project.

The project will proceed under the TransMountain Corporation, the Crown corporation that will be responsible for securing the permits needed to move forward with construction, though the timeline is uncertain -- all existing approvals were quashed when the Federal Court issued an injunction last summer.

(AND RIGHT THERE is the BIG STALL!! There are NO PERMITS IN PLACE!! ALL PREVIOUS permits have either expired or BEEN CANCELLED due to court decisions!! NOR HAVE THERE BEEN ANY MEANINGFUL or successful NEGOTIATIONS with the protestors!! In addition LIE-berals have put in place such rigorous new laws that it will be virtually IMPOSSIBLE to get Kinder Morgan restarted- UNLESS LIE-berals reverse themselves yet again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“It's likely there will be challenges," officials acknowledged during a technical briefing on the decision on Tuesday.

(Yes- I am sure it is GUARANTEED there will be “challenges”!! With LIE-berals COMPELLING tax payers to foot the bills for lawyers to form a costly pipeline debating society for a pipeline that will NEVER BE BUILT -if LIE-berals have their way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Officials say the situation is "unprecedented" but that there will be shovels in the ground this year along parts of the route.

(In my opinion any claim of real progress on the pipe this year is a lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Among the permits the corporation still needs to secure are: approvals from the National Energy Board to authorize construction, authorizations under the Fisheries Act, permits under the Species at Risk Act, approval under the Indian Act, authorization under the Canadian Transportation Act, and approval and licensing under the Explosives Act.

(In other words the number of hoops to be jumped through is HUGE- with the added obstacle that Parliament is about to SHUT DOWN for the coming election!)

The approval suggests that the government believes it has met the criteria laid out by a Federal Court judge last year in a ruling that slapped an injunction on the construction, which had only just begun.

(Uh huh- and Our idiot Boy will let the “consultations and negotiations” drag on till Our idiot Boy has reached HIS “GOLDEN YEARS”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

It also means the government is confident the court will deem it has done adequate consultations with Indigenous stakeholders and also taken measures to mitigate the marine impact of the expansion if the approval is challenged in court.

(There is ANOTHER LIE!! LIE-berals have not gotten a single native protest group to sign on- ALL the original protestors are still in place -facing a LIE-beral govt that DESPERATELY NEEDS those protestor votes to survive after October!)

Marine tanker traffic will triple as more vessels arrive at the Burnaby terminal, the end point of the expansion, to load crude oil destined for overseas markets.

(So WHY would Our idiot Boy- the master of BULLSH+T approve a pipeline that HE DOES NOT WANT because it will ONLY serve an industry he despises!! Those who recall an election is coming will UNDERSTAND that Our idiot Boy is trying to make a temporary FAKE PEACE with western Canada - until AFTER the election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(In related news- Our idiot Boy supported by Climate Barbie- our environment minister- have just declared a “climate emergency” which will very likely give them the powers they need to “QUELL the emergency” by killing Kinder Morgan- AFTER the election - in hope of “saving the environment” for GAS GUZZLING LIE-berals and their civil service union HOG allies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(This is the GREAT ROTTEN HEART of LIE-beral policy - that LIE-berals and their HOG allies have some of the BIGGEST carbon foot prints in all of Canada!!!
LIE-berals are only interested in saving THEIR PERSONAL environment!! The rest of us can freeze in the dark for all they care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(If Our idiot Boy wins the election - then Kinder Morgan will NEVER BE BUILT!! If idiot Boy loses then look for a MASSIVE WAVE of endless protests by radical LIE-beral supporters to obstruct FOR EVER AND EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Earlier this year, the government delayed its approval of the pipeline after it did not complete its renewed consultations with Indigenous communities along the pipeline route in time to meet the deadline for cabinet approval of the project.

(LIE-berals are now making noises about selling Kinder Morgan to native groups- meaning EVEN MORE Negotiations!! But this time it will be like Alice in Wonderland talking to the Mad Hatter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(N\tive groups are DEAD BROKE - so can buy nothing!! Natives have NO expertise or experience handling an oil pipeline- so SCREW UPS ARE inevitable if they get their hands on Kinder Morgan!! And it will be Cdn tax payers who will get ALL the bills for native screw ups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(UNLESS LIE-berals are planning to arrange a FAKE ownership in which natives “own the pipe” and collect the EXPECTED HUGE REVENUES from its operation- while a shadow group of white men- employed by govt does the actual daily operations work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And we should ask -just how much use will be made of the pipe if natives milk the thing with huge fees like vampires sucking blood?? Will LIE-berals CARE if native HOGS bleed the pipeline dry and into bankruptcy?? After all - LIE-berals OPPOSE the pipeline! It has ONLY been “approved” CONDITIONALLY for now- to COVER LIE-beral backsides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Following the ruling from the Federal Court, the government restarted consultations with 117 Indigenous stakeholders but refused to set a public timeline for when those talks would wrap up.

(If LIE-berals have their way- the “negotiations” with the natives will take so long and cost so much that Kinder Morgan will never be built!!! LIE-berals have been in “negotiations” for land claims with Lubicon natives since about 1968!! We will be very fortunate if LIE-berals work half so swiftly on Kinder Morgan!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Crude by rail a ‘temporary’ solution to pipeline shortage: CN Rail CEO

(Yes- and experiments are under way to form crude oil into ”no spill” sort of hockey pucks that can be shipped by rail VERY NEATLY!! If the experiments are successful then Kinder Morgan will not be needed - and LIE-berals will need yet another stalling tactic to kill the Alberta oil patch- but that is a LIE-beral headache for AFTER the election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The approval marks the culmination of a balancing act for the government as it heads into a campaign season where it will be forced onto the defensive, both from progressives over whether its environmental regulations have done enough to tackle climate change, and from conservatives over whether its economic challenges have put the average Canadian in a strong position.

(LIE-berals are widely recognized as having DONE NOTHING about climate change- EXCEPT ENACT A TAX GRAB of grotesque proportions with their carbon crap and trade SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Much of that will likely boil down to what extent voters are feeling secure in their own economic prospects, and affordability issues like the price of gas and home heating are likely to factor into those feelings even as the government continues to tout strong, big picture fiscal numbers.

(Uh huh- and 67 percent of Cdns see their economic future getting VERY CLOUDY- the Sunny Ways ARE GONE!! As for the other 33 percent of Cdns who do not see the dark clouds- they all work for one of our FOUR levels of govt and the govt gravy train is STILL VERY COMFY!! The Hogs have every reason to promote the LIE-beral fantasy that our grossly indebted economy is somehow magically “booming” as it plunges headlong into RECORD DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)