Braidwood Inquiry Tuesday in Vancouver.

china

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Here we go again. The only source of evidence that tells the whole truth of what happened is the video. Again, for those who cannot accept that fact, the video does not lie. It does not change its story every time it is replayed. It is so explicit in revealing what happened even children know the truth.
There was no need for a three month delay. The truth was known back in June. The testimony that has just been delivered is just a continuation of what we have already seen from the RCMP. Maybe a lie detector connected to a taser might bring forth evidence that does not contradict what is seen in the video.
Canada Customs and YVR staff are also responsible for this tragic and senseless death. It could have been prevented if people had just done what they were paid to do. There is more than enough blame to go around, but ultimately the actions of 4 police officers were the direct cause of Mr. Dziekanski's death. The entire world knows the truth of what happened. That will not change regardless of who said what in an e-mail. Lets get on with the disciplinary action. Lynch the bastards .
 

Ron in Regina

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Well....it'll be at least October 5th now before things start up again with the
oral closing arguments, to get any idea (maybe) as to which way the wind
will be blowing....& well into next year before the report is released, and
well after that before many (or any) of the recommendations are implemented.

I was hoping this would have been resolved and procedures to prevent a
repeat of this event in place before the Winter Olympics...but it doesn't look
that way.

With that in mind, and Athletes (& their entourage) coming into Vancouver
from all over the Globe, expect foreign governments to have private security
traveling with their citizens to prevent another incident like this travesty. The
airport security folks better watch their P's&Q's or they might preemptively
end up very broken on the floor by someone with Diplomatic Immunity who's
there to prevent another Taser-type execution. Lots of ex-Spetsnaz for hire
in the private security industry.

The Braidwood Inquiry isn't a local issue, and the World has been watching
this Goat-Rodeo as the countdown ticks away to the 2010 Winter Olympics.
The Fact that Kiwi_NZ or China or BlackLeaf may know as much or more
about the Braidwood Inquiry than many Canadians really isn't that surprising.
 

AnnaG

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You know, what annoys me about what happened is that the RCMP guy that was in charge had been convicted of DUI a little while beforehand. That to me, displays bad judgement on his part. Yet the RCMP brass made him senior constable in charge? The entire issue has been fumbled badly by the RCMP from the start.
I swear 3/4 of the people in Canada need a reality check and more so for judges, gov't people, politicians, etc.
 

lone wolf

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It's time to get rid of the Dudley Do-Right image. Our system always has been geared more toward conviction than justice. We look at the bad, bad USA and sneer, where in reality, our law-makers and laws enforcers are just the same. The powers that be are just a lot sneakier about it.
 

Ron in Regina

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We give police huge responsibilities and great power over other citizens. In return,
we expect real accountability. That we are not seeing when the "Police police the
Police," as this Inquiry (or 10 minutes of your time to watch the video yourself) has
demonstrated.

The system has been broken and smelly for a long time, but only those that had to
deal with it directly (as a non-criminal victim, or Family of a non-criminal victim at
the hands of Law Enforcement) discovered this....and if they said anything, they
where labeled as Cop-Haters and worse by those that still could hide behind the
illusion.
 

lone wolf

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Sounds paranoid? Only to the hoodwinked. How many people are discredited as nuts for taking on the law? We have lawmakers/enforcers who have Santa Claus faith in a Crown that can do no wrong. Anyone who'd soil that image simply HAS to be crazy.
 

Ron in Regina

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Just like a code tied to an address for a Utility Company noting "big dogs on premises,"
I'm sure Law Enforcement uses a similar code tied to individuals (& their families) that
have filed a complaint to the Public Complaints Commissioner to label someone as a
low priority Cop Hater, who'll be treated in a adversarial manner and a last priority basis.

I've seen the reaction a CPIC inquiry makes to treatment of a non-criminal even reporting
a crime, if in the past they've ever felt the need to file a complaint with a Public Complaints
Commissioner. It's a Night & Day change. This only seems to happen with the local force,
and not other forces (National, Provincial, State, etc...). Oh well....
 

lone wolf

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Just like a code tied to an address for a Utility Company noting "big dogs on premises,"
I'm sure Law Enforcement uses a similar code tied to individuals (& their families) that
have filed a complaint to the Public Complaints Commissioner to label someone as a
low priority Cop Hater, who'll be treated in a adversarial manner and a last priority basis.

That would be me ... one of a couple of reasons why I am up here in Sudz, and the prime reason why I had to leave home turf. I challenged some crooked cops ... and lifted the badges from a couple of them. It was pretty obvious a little vengeance might be coming my way.
 

china

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RCMP lied, Polish lawyer tells Taser inquiry

Alleges bid to subvert justice at inquiry into Robert Dziekanski's death

Last Updated: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 | 6:00 PM PT Comments115Recommend57

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The four RCMP officers involved in the confrontation with Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport lied in their testimony at the inquiry into his death, a lawyer representing the government of Poland told the Braidwood inquiry Tuesday. (Paul Pritchard) The four RCMP officers involved in using a Taser on Robert Dziekanski are liars, a lawyer for the government of Poland told a B.C. inquiry into the Polish immigrant's death following several jolts from the stun gun.
Poland wants the inquiry to make findings of wrongdoing against the officers and several other Mounties involved in the later investigation of the October 2007 incident at Vancouver International Airport, Don Rosenbloom told the inquiry on Tuesday.
The four officers conspired to concoct a story to justify their repeated use of the weapon, lied to investigators and continued to lie at the inquiry, Rosenbloom told Commissioner Thomas Braidwood during his final submissions to the inquiry in Vancouver.
"The officers' conduct can be construed as nothing short of an intentional act to subvert the course of justice," the attorney said.
"It is well within your mandate to rule that the four officers were not credible and that their evidence should be discounted."
Dziekanski, a Polish citizen moving to Canada to live with his mother in Kamloops, B.C., died on Oct. 14, 2007, at the Vancouver airport. He was stunned by the officers after becoming agitated when he couldn't find his mother after several hours of wandering around the baggage claim area.
The inquiry has heard that several aspects of the officers' statements to investigators about what happened during their confrontation with Dziekanski are contradicted by an eyewitness video of the incident.
In particular, the officers said – incorrectly – that Dziekanski was yelling and aggressive when they arrived, came at them swinging a stapler, stood through the first two stuns and had to be tackled to the ground.
Officers deny lying

A lawyer for one of the officers told the inquiry Tuesday that the events chronicled on the tape are open to interpretation.
The officers have denied lying, acknowledging errors in what they said but insisting their comments were the best recollections of a fast-paced, stressful event.
On Tuesday, Rosenbloom rejected that explanation, arguing that the officers' efforts to cover up their actions as well as their use of force are grounds for findings of misconduct.
He said the officers used excessive force when one of them deployed the Taser five times and then failed to provide Dziekanski with appropriate medical care once he had collapsed on the floor of the international terminal.
"No reasonable interpretation of the conduct of the four officers can lead one to conclude anything but that they acted at best with gross misconduct," Rosenbloom said.
The commissioner has the power to make findings of misconduct against the officers or anyone else in his final report.
Senior officers also criticized

Three of the four Mounties are challenging the commissioner's jurisdiction in court. The federal government, in a written final submission, also argued that the inquiry has no jurisdiction over the RCMP.
Rosenbloom asked Braidwood to go further than simply finding against the four officers at the airport that night. The lawyer said misconduct findings should also be levelled against three other RCMP officials: media relations officers Sgt. Pierre Lemaitre and Cpl. Dale Carr and Supt. Wayne Rideout, who oversaw the investigation.
He said Lemaitre and Carr either intentionally or negligently misled the public in the aftermath of Dziekanski's death.
Lawyer Don Rosenbloom said the RCMP officers used excessive force in dealing with Dziekanski. (Paul Pritchard) Their statements to reporters included several incorrect facts, including that Dziekanski remained aggressive despite the officers' attempts to calm him down; that he was yelling and screaming when the Mounties arrived; that the first Taser jolt appeared to have no effect and that the stun gun was used only twice.
Rosenbloom said Carr and Lemaitre ought to have known those facts were wrong or, at the very least, corrected them once they realized their mistakes.
Rosenbloom said Rideout tried to suppress the amateur video and only agreed to release it when the man who shot it, Paul Pritchard, launched a court challenge.
Carr, Lemaitre and Rideout all defended their actions in testimony, insisting they wanted to keep information from the public to protect the integrity of the investigation. Lawyers for all three will address the inquiry later this week.
The first of the four officers' lawyers began his closing submissions on Tuesday, dismissing allegations that his client was involved in a cover-up.
Ted Beaubier, who represents Const. Gerry Rundel, said Dziekanski's back was turned away as the video rolled, so parts of the tape are open to interpretation.
Still, he insisted most of the errors were relatively minor and "not unreasonable" in the circumstances.
"There's no question that events unfolded extremely rapidly and sometimes within seconds," he said.
 

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Lawyer Don Rosenbloom, representing the Polish government, talks to media following the Braidwood Inquiry on March 4, 2009 in Vancouver.

Photograph by: Jenelle Schneider, Vancouver Sun




VANCOUVER — Lawyers for two of the four Mounties involved in the in-custody death of Robert Dziekanski at Vancouver's airport told the Braidwood inquiry Tuesday that their clients acted appropriately and professionally.
David Butcher, the lawyer representing the most junior officer, Const. Bill Bentley, said the evidence showed Dziekanski was emotionally disturbed, delirious and was acting angrily and aggressively before he was Tasered five times and handcuffed at Vancouver International Airport after 1:30 a.m. on Oct. 14, 2007.
Dziekanski, 40, had travelled from Poland to start a new life in Canada with his mother, Zofia Cisowski. He died at the airport without ever connecting with his mother after spending 11 hours looking for her.
Butcher urged inquiry commissioner Thomas Braidwood to find Bentley did nothing to contribute to Dziekanski's death.
"He acted in accordance with his training," the lawyer said during his final submission to the inquiry, which continues today.
Butcher reminded Braidwood that a policeman's job is not easy and is often dangerous, forcing police to react to events with split-second judgment.
"Police don't have to be right — they can have misinterpreted what was happening here, but it's their belief of what is happening that is important," Butcher said.
He added police must have a reasonable belief that there is a threat of harm to police or public safety in order to use force to react to a situation, which was what happened in the Dziekanski case.
Butcher urged Braidwood to "ignore the call of being an armchair quarterback" and instead judge the officers within the context of police making a judgment seconds after encountering Dziekanski.
Ted Beaubier, the lawyer for Const. Gerry Rundel, maintained his client was inexperienced but did nothing wrong in his encounter with Dziekanski.
He said Rundel had no control over how the situation unfolded, did not deploy the Taser and was not part of a cover-up conspiracy as alleged by the lawyer for Poland.
"There is nothing to support that," Beaubier said.
Earlier in the day, Don Rosenbloom, the lawyer representing Poland at the inquiry, blasted the four officers involved in the incident for showing a "reckless and callous disregard for the life of Robert Dziekanski."
The lawyer said the Polish man "was a victim of incompetence, misconduct and a reckless disregard of his life."
He argued police had no justification for initially Tasering Dziekanski, who was calm and trying to obey conflicting police commands but could speak no English.
It was inexcusable that one of the officers, Cpl. Monty Robinson, put his knee on the back of Dziekanski's neck for 24 seconds while Dziekanski was being handcuffed, the lawyer said.
He said this rendered Dziekanski unconscious, causing him to begin turning blue.
The four officers failed to provide proper medical care and monitoring of his vital signs, which indicated Dziekanski was headed for cardiac arrest, he added.
After Dziekanski died, the four officers collaborated and fabricated their stories in police statements, Rosenbloom said. The lawyers for Bentley and Rundel denied this.
The RCMP also released incorrect information immediately after the incident, telling the public, among other things, that Dziekanski was Tasered only twice by three officers, Rosenbloom said.
"The RCMP deliberately and negligently disseminated this misinformation and chose not to correct the record for more than a year," Rosenbloom said.
He said Sgt. Pierre Lemaitre, the media relations officer who initially released the incorrect information, testified he wanted to correct it but was told not to because it might have compromised the investigation.
Rosenbloom urged the commissioner to make a finding of misconduct against the senior officer who made that order — RCMP Supt. Wayne Rideout.
The lawyer also asked the commissioner to make findings of misconduct against Lemaitre and Cpl. Dale Carr for their roles in the RCMP "misinformation campaign" for disseminating false information.
Mitch Taylor, the lawyer representing the federal government, which has jurisdiction for the customs officers at the airport and the RCMP, told the commissioner he had made written submissions and did not plan to make further oral submissions.
"The government of Canada expresses its sorrow and its sincere regret for Mr. Dziekanski's death and its sincere regret to Ms. Cisowski for the death of her son," Taylor told the inquiry.
 

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If police would stop murdering people, we wouldn't need to open wounds or have these inquiries. We have the man killed at the airport because he couldn't speak
English, a man shot in a cell in the north, shot in the back of the head, and ruled
self defence. The list goes, cops driving drunk and killing people or hitting bridge
abutments. We have cops, robbing a newspaper delivery man old people being tasered. What we need is some people with skills hired as police officers. We
need people in the general public to stop making excuses for them and face up to the fact that we have huge problems. We cannot know the size of the solution
required if we do not know the size of the problem.