Brad Wall's still blowing smoke on climate change

Cannuck

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Revenue neutral just means that the revenue is used to either incentivize people (and corporations) to reduce their fossil fuel consumption or as an investment in carbon reduction technologies

So it's not revenue neutral. Its great that you at least able to admit that
 

mentalfloss

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Which is what % of total climate science studies that make claims or no claims of causality but agree climate is changing?

33%?

Powell examined nearly 14,000 abstracts, searching for explicit rejections of human-caused global warming, finding only 24. We took this approach further, also looking at implicit rejections, no opinions, and implicit/explicit endorsements.

The 97% consensus on global warming

The silly bastard is smarter than you are.

He's not and you're much dumber than any of us.
 

mentalfloss

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I'll assume you'll ignore this again

Revenue Neutral
Revenue - Expenses = 0
 

Machjo

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It depends on what government is in power because they get to choose what to do with the revenue.


Not at all. A higher gas tax encourages suburbanites to move closer to work and shopping and businesses to move closer to the workers and consumers to reduce transportation costs due to the higehr gas tax, no? So in fact a higher gas tax affects the free market independently of how the government then spends the money.

Of course the government could further improve the situation by building more walking and cycling paths, but even without that, people will still want to move closer to work and shops natrually.
 

petros

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Not at all. A higher gas tax encourages suburbanites to move closer to work and shopping and businesses to move closer to the workers and consumers to reduce transportation costs due to the higehr gas tax, no?
The opposite is happening in Metro Vancouver
 

Machjo

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Yes, emissions went down exclusively in BC because of their carbon tax.

So now we have three things that you belligerently do not accept (in addition to your denials with Machjo).

1. There is a scientific consensus on climate change
2. Oil subsidies exist
3. Carbon pricing reduces emissions

1. I do not deny climate change. I just think peak oil is an even more serious concern.

2. I do not deny oil subsidies exist and ought to be cut altogether.

3. I do not deny that carbon pricing reduces emissions. In fact, I support carbon pricing.
 

Machjo

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If you are going to tax carbon why is the tax not applied to exports? Does only carbon burned in Canada pollute?

You do have a point there. In that sense, I would prefer that the carbon tax apply directly to the extraction company's profits ratehr than at the consumer end. That way, the tax applies to all carbon extracted in Canada before it even reaches market, domestic or otherwise.

Of course a tax that applies directly to the extraction company and no consumer end tax would create a reverse problem in that Canadian-extracted gas would be expensive but imported gas cheap.

I wouldn't see much of a problem with that though since though I consider climate change to be harmful, I don't consider it to be that harmful. My main concern is with peak oil. So if we leave our own gas in the ground and import others' instead, then I don't mind that.

That would mean a negative balance of trade though, but that's not all bad either. That would push the dollar down and so increase exports of finished products rather than raw materials. In a sense, it would serve as a kind of export tariff on non-renewable resourcs, which could be a good thing.

The opposite is happening in Metro Vancouver

That's because of exorbitant real estate costs. I'm sure it would be even worse without the gas tax. The gas tax creates a pressure on workers to move closer to work or, if they can't afford it, for companies to move out to the suburbs or pay higher wages to make travel costs worthwhile.
 

petros

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There is a problem with that. Less than 50% of a barrel of oil will be used as fuel and a large portion of it is recyclable.