Boy shares stories from his journey to heaven
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Spirituality is Universal, the interpretation Is regional.
I tell you this,
No eternal reward will forgive is now
For wasting the dawn.
Back in those days,
Everything was simpler and more confused.
One summer night, going to the pier,
I ran into two young girls.
The blonde was called Freedom,
The dark one, Enterprise.
We talked and they told me this story:
Now listen to this,
I'll tell you about Texas Radio and the Big Beat.
Soft driven slow and mad,
Like some new language.
Reaching your head
With the cold, sudden fury
Of a divine messenger.
Let me tell you about heartache
And the loss of god.
Wondering, wondering
In hopeless night.
Out here in the perimeter
There are no stars,
Out here we is stoned
Immaculate.
LMAO....thanks for the permission, but I am old so it is completely unnecessary but I appreciate your politeness, it is something within you that I deeply respect....now, back to the discussion soooooooooo.........
No it is not.
You don't know that "engineers" belief system and what inspired him or her.
As far as changing the world, saving one person's life when they are in a suicidal moment can and does alter the universe. So to make such a broad statement is irrational.
thanks ♦
that is an irrational statement, you can not separate spirituality from the person, it impacts their total being...it would seem that people who are not spiritual seldom understand that... it is every thought they have, every action they perform... engineering is like an epiphany...it is the total package ... thus you cannot measure lives saved by spirituality...it does not compute
you want to remove spirituality from engineering but you cannot because it is an unknown
In the first place, I am not removing spirituality from engineering. That's something you've made up. If you'll look back at my original statement, it was that all the god-botherers in history have not accomplished what one engineer has accomplished. It said nothing about the engineer's motivations.
If you prefer, I'll be happy to re-phrase it as "all the praying, snake-handling, and sacrificing in history has not saved as many people as penicillin. Or the mouldboard plow. Or the steam engine. Or the taming of electricity."
The difference is that engineers can, and do, read and appreciate the Bible, the Qu'ran, the Book of the Dead, the Upanishads, and what-have-you. But you'll find damn few preachers that can work a partial differential equation or a Fourier transform, or have any idea what they mean.
I would...thanks we are now on the same page...
, not that we had to be but what you meant is now clear.
Newton an Alchemist. His quest wasn't trying to match God, it as trying to understand how it was done by God.
Never discount an engineer or scientist's beliefs and motivation.
Never discount an engineer or scientist's beliefs and motivation.
Yeah, and his alchemy was a bunch of complete nonsense. It was his physics and math that endured. Just like Aristotle. His views of the universe were complete crap. It was his system of logic that was useful.
And that's a point worth considering. One of the reasons progress was so slow in the Middle Ages in Europe is that, if you considered a question like "If you have two buckets connected by a tube, and fill one with water, will the water flow into the other?" the Aristotelian method would be so sit around and construct logical arguments based on flawed and stupid "knowledge" of the nature of water and the nature of buckets and the nature of tubes. In the 1600's, a rather unpleasant little fellow named Galilei popped up and said "Here's a brainwave! How 'bout we get two buckets and a tube and check that sh*t out?"
The world has never been the same.
Religion is like the Aristotelian method. It applies perfect logic to non-facts. Science (and engineering) work with testable, verifiable, falsifiable facts, and produce more in a day than the sum-total output of all the theologians and clergy have produced throughout history.
And that's a point worth considering. One of the reasons progress was so slow in the Middle Ages in Europe is that, if you considered a question like "If you have two buckets connected by a tube, and fill one with water, will the water flow into the other?" the Aristotelian method would be so sit around and construct logical arguments based on flawed and stupid "knowledge" of the nature of water and the nature of buckets and the nature of tubes. In the 1600's, a rather unpleasant little fellow named Galilei popped up and said "Here's a brainwave! How 'bout we get two buckets and a tube and check that sh*t out?"
The world has never been the same.
Religion is like the Aristotelian method. It applies perfect logic to non-facts. Science (and engineering) work with testable, verifiable, falsifiable facts, and produce more in a day than the sum-total output of all the theologians and clergy have produced throughout history.
Near-death experiences are real; they are physiological responses of the brain to abnormal stimuli such as an overload of carbon dioxide in the blood. The nature of the response is governed by culture, religious belief, and age of the person experiencing the condition. Hindus will not see Jesus or a Christian heaven, for example. NDE as evidence of an afterlife or a validation of peculiar religious convictions is simply wishful thinking.
The biosphere is wide open to whatever the cosmos throws at it. Mostly it's rocks and radiation, either of which could conceivably destroy it at any time by, for instance, an impact with a moon-sized rock or a supernova within a few light years, but on the other hand, it's radiation that ultimately drives the biosphere too. Otherwise though I think you're generally correct, life depends on other life in a complexly interconnected web, and humanity has become a plague on the planet.