Bono supports hate speech?

[petros]

"Who else see da Leprechaun say yeah!"

Bono Spotted in Mobile Alabama

YouTube - Leprechaun in Mobile, Alabama

"It could be a crack head who go hold of da wrong stuff"

 

[gerryh]

There are to many asshats to play with to give it that much attention Gh.

Seriously, just spit it out, I'll admit it or defend my position. Whatever it calls for.

My position is, freedom of speech for everyone, full stop.

taking too narrow a look.


The fact is, anyone that says that they are NOT a relativist is lieing through their teeth, as EVERYONE is a relativist at sometime in their life when it comes to certain issues.

 

[Cannuck]

What's with all this ass fondling?

CB gets caught regularly in logical inconsistencies and in order to escape the catch22 he finds himself in, he reverts to his usual tactic of codemning peoples intelligence or cognitive skills. Then he tells them over and over again how he's "handed them their asses". This, in his mind, makes him a masterbate...er...master debater.

 

[petros]

CB gets caught regularly in logical inconsistencies and in order to escape the catch22 he finds himself in, he reverts to his usual tactic of codemning peoples intelligence or cognitive skills. Then he tells them over and over again how he's "handed them their asses". This, in his mind, makes him a masterbate...er...master debater.

My wife keeps mine in her purse. Watch the Leprechaun video, it'll cheer you up.

 

[CDNBear]

taking too narrow a look.


The fact is, anyone that says that they are NOT a relativist is lieing through their teeth, as EVERYONE is a relativist at sometime in their life when it comes to certain issues.

I'll have to admit that, yes, at one time I would have no issues with stifling someones right to express their discourse with something I felt differently about.

But as happens with some people, I grew out of that. I once hated all Christians. I don't anymore. I once said I would disown any son of mine that was gay. I no longer feel that way.

I defend the Westborro Baptist asshats to preach their opinions. I support NAMBLA's right to free speech. I support Galloway, I support EAO and Mhz.

That doesn't mean I'm going to roll over and play dead silently.

My point is, Bono has a track record of speaking out about the promotion of hate and racism. But when it suits him, he supports it, by his definition. Not mine.

I'm not a supporter of hate speech laws. I find them to broad and open for abuses. I honestly don't actually believe that something should be labeled hate speech. I find that stifling and detrimental to open communication.

 

[gerryh]

and on the same hand, you advocate banning Islam from Canada.

 

[CDNBear]

CB gets caught regularly in logical inconsistencies and in order to escape the catch22 he finds himself in, he reverts to his usual tactic of codemning peoples intelligence or cognitive skills.

There is no logical inconsistency, you haven't the ability to understand the OP and you still seem to be the only one.

As for the typical false accusation, I have conceded, even to you. Only because it would take me years to explain hyperbole to you.

But I bet you can't concede to the fact that I can and have, conceded, where you have not. No matter the strength of the evidence against your position.

This is just another example, in the long list, of how you so closely resemble Joey. As apposed to myself.

Then he tells them over and over again how he's "handed them their asses". This, in his mind, makes him a masterbate...er...master debater.

And you simple mindedly latch on to peripheral minutia and move goal posts instead of conceding when you get served.

At least one of us is mature enough to concede.

 

[petros]

Bono claims to be good Irish Catholic and Protestant but makes nasty comments about God and Jesus on interviews. There is no doubt he is a hypocrite.

You simply can't trust a Leprechaun. Especially one that got hold of a da wrong stuff.

 

[CDNBear]

and on the same hand, you advocate banning Islam from Canada.

Ya. Your point?

Islam is a religion, not speech Gh. As I stated to Petros, it's simply an opinion, that I don't save strictly for Islam. It is an opinion I hold for organized religion in general. Islam being the most violent of the group. Furthermore, I stated clearly that I have no intentions of pushing the issue, nor do I believe it to be realistic in any way. It's simply an opinion based on my experiences and perception of organized religions.

I'll even still defend any religious group right to speak out against my opinions. Unlike Bono, who condemns one, while endorsing another.

Which of course is the gist of the OP.

 

[Trotz]

There is no logical inconsistency, you haven't the ability to understand the OP and you still seem to be the only one.

As for the typical false accusation, I have conceded, even to you. Only because it would take me years to explain hyperbole to you.

And you simple mindedly latch on to peripheral minutia and move goal posts instead of conceding when you get served.

At least one of us is mature enough to concede.

People do survive on Strawman arguments. Notice he stated you wish to ban Islam. A huge difference here, between not allowing Islamic immigrants to come into Canada and supporting the ethnic clensing (through farm raids and murdering) of the Afrikaners and Rhodesians in Africa.

 

[gerryh]

Ya. Your point?

Islam is a religion, not speech Gh. As I stated to Petros, it's simply an opinion, that I don't save strictly for Islam. It is an opinion I hold for organized religion in general. Islam being the most violent of the group. Furthermore, I stated clearly that I have no intentions of pushing the issue, nor do I believe it to be realistic in any way. It's simply an opinion based on my experiences and perception of organized religions.

I'll even still defend any religious group right to speak out against my opinions.

It's still being relativistic, but, if you don't see it that way, c'est la vie.

 

[CDNBear]

People do survive on Strawman arguments. Notice he stated you wish to ban Islam. A huge difference here, between not allowing Islamic immigrants to come into Canada and supporting the ethnic clensing (through farm raids and murdering) of the Afrikaners and Rhodesians in Africa.

I actually do not believe we should ban Muslim immigration. Just Islam. Just so we're clear.

And yes, I get your point.

It's still being relativistic, but, if you don't see it that way, c'est la vie.

I'm not inclined to agree.

We're talking about speech here. Not a religion.

I do not condone one set of morals over one commentary, and chose to use a different set of morals over another.

I believe in freedom of speech, full stop.

I support free speech, whether I agree with it or not. Bono, has effectively said, he believes it's OK to say one thing about Boers, that he would call hate speech, if it were said about Africans.

 

[Trotz]

Sure.
No one in Canada cares to mention the Bosnians, Albanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Indonesians; et al. It's just the stone-age tribesmen
from Pakistan who are causing most of the problems in Western Europe and Canada.

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ALLU ACKBAR! And to think, we are allowing these people to settle in Surrey by the hundreds of thousands...

 

[petros]

I actually do not believe we should ban Muslim immigration. Just Islam. Just so we're clear.

And yes, I get your point.

Wouldn't be easier to say I support the immigration of Arabs, Persians, Indonesians, Indians etc if they renounced their Islamic beliefs but just stayed spiritual?

 

[gerryh]

I actually do not believe we should ban Muslim immigration. Just Islam. Just so we're clear.

And yes, I get your point.

If they don't practice Islam, then they are not Muslims. If you ban Islam, then you ban Muslims.

 

[petros]

If they don't practice Islam, then they are not Muslims. If you ban Islam, then you ban Muslims.

That was the whole thing about keeping pickerel and tossing the walleye back when fishing.

 

[gerryh]

I actually do not believe we should ban Muslim immigration. Just Islam. Just so we're clear.

And yes, I get your point.

I'm not inclined to agree.

We're talking about speech here. Not a religion.

I do not condone one set of morals over one commentary, and chose to use a different set of morals over another.

I believe in freedom of speech, full stop.

I support free speech, whether I agree with it or not. Bono, has effectively said, he believes it's OK to say one thing about Boers, that he would call hate speech, if it were said about Africans.

c'est la vie.

 

[CDNBear]

Wouldn't be easier to say I support the immigration of Arabs, Persians, Indonesians, Indians etc if they renounced their Islamic beliefs but just stayed spiritual?

If they don't practice Islam, then they are not Muslims. If you ban Islam, then you ban Muslims.

My opinion is, they left the countries they were born in, for many reasons, one of which, and it is a major factor in how their native lands have turned out is, the fact that Islam has great difficulty being secular.

If Islam, which is the state religion of choice, in the homelands of the majority of Muslim immigrants that flee to our great nation, is so grand, then why leave.

Now, can we get back to debating the topic at hand?

Or would you all like to talk about me for a while longer?

I am flattered, really. But the fact remains, free speech is for everyone, all the time. Not just when it suits our agendas.

c'est la vie.

Tout à fait.

 

[Trotz]

I don't believe so,
remember that the CIA went to great effort to stamp out the "secular" parties in the Middle East and Central Asia; who they considered to be "Communist" and/or "Communist leaning". There is a lot of truth in that we created the Taliban and Al-Queda and are now dealing with our own creations.

Saddam (secular) was knocked out and the Bush administration was also aiming the cross hairs at Al-Assad and even King Hussein (in Jordan) to some extent.

 

[petros]

My opinion is, they left the countries they were born in, for many reasons, one of which, and it is a major factor in how their native lands have turned out is, the fact that Islam has great difficulty being secular.

If Islam, which is the state religion of choice, in the homelands of the majority of Muslim immigrants that flee to our great nation, is so grand, then why leave.

Now, can we get back to debating the topic at hand?

Or would you all like to talk about me for a while longer?

I am flattered, really. But the fact remains, free speech is for everyone, all the time. Not just when it suits our agendas.

Quite.

On another thread we spoke about how better off the oppressed are if they can have control of their financial and educational well being through their own resources. How does Islam make that different?