"Bodies melted away before us" Evidence of US Chem

[jimmoyer]

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Apparently American power is not as powerful or magical as you think, despite the facts on the ground that disprove your belief system.

 

[Karlin]

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The U.S. air force has been dropping PHOSPHORUS bombs that open up 100 feet above ground and let go of dozens of splashes of super hot phosphorus that melts thru steel.

Another referance to the USA using Phosphorus on Iraqi people, civilians, was back when the [illegal] invasion started, and until March-April 2003.
Reported by Annanuki, a colorful person who believes he is the direct descendant of "Star People" who live near Pluto or something like that, but that aside, he has a good report here -

http://www.curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=49&i=1774

An upgraded type of the weapon, a terrifying mixture of jet fuel and polystyrene that sticks to skin as it burns, was used in March and April 2003, when dozens of napalm bombs were dropped near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris river, south of Baghdad, the Independent reported Sunday, August 10.

"We napalmed both those [bridge] approaches," the paper quoted Colonel James Alles, commander of Marine Air Group 11, as saying.

"Unfortunately there were people there ... you could see them in the [cockpit] video. They were Iraqi soldiers. It's no great way to die," said Alles.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Napalm and phosphorus are not the same thing. It's important to note that because these are two separate instances of using banned chemical weapons to commit several other war crimes.

It's time to haul George and his oily little pals to the Hague in leg irons. More than that, it's bloody well time that the American people began demanding that George and his cabal of monsters were hauled off to the Hague in leg irons.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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It's time to haul George and his oily little pals to the Hague in leg irons. More than that, it's bloody well time that the American people began demanding that George and his cabal of monsters were hauled off to the Hague in leg irons.

absolutely !!! in fact this process should have been started some time ago. The US population's silence is as good as supporting/condoning every criminal act that the bush cabal is guilty of. Go figure. Then they wonder why world is testy with them all.

we have heard of the horrors that "terrorists" impose with their violent acts.........but now we are seeing the horrors that a supposedly "civilized" nation imposes via violent/illegal/criminal war acts too.

(for a lot of us........this is like seeing the real america for the first time...... :evil: The makeup/facade is cracking and exposing the underbelly of pathos.

the world had sincerely hoped that the US population had come to its senses before the last Prez. election. It was not to be.

 

[Colpy]

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Rev said

"Napalm and phosphorus are not the same thing. It's important to note that because these are two separate instances of using banned chemical weapons to commit several other war crimes. "

I don't believe either of these compounds are banned by treaty.

Both are used by every modern army, both have been used since World War Two.

 

[no1important]

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Well they are using jet fuel instead of gasoline in them.


link
New napalm formula also used.

ROME. In soldier slang they call it Willy Pete. The technical name is white phosphorus. In theory its purpose is to illumine enemy positions in the dark. In practice, it was used as a chemical weapon in the rebel stronghold of Fallujah. And it was used not only against enemy combatants and guerrillas, but again innocent civilians. The Americans are responsible for a massacre using unconventional weapons, the identical charge for which Saddam Hussein stands accused. An investigation by RAI News 24, the all-news Italian satellite television channel, has pulled the veil from one of the most carefully concealed mysteries from the front in the entire US military campaign in Iraq.

The use of the incendiary substance on civilians is forbidden by a 1980 UN treaty.

link
An incendiary device, white phosphorus is also used to light up combat areas. The use of incendiary weapons against civilians has been banned by the Geneva Convention since 1980. The United States did not sign the relevant protocol to the convention, a U.N. official in New York said.

 

[GL Schmitt]

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CHALLENGE TO THE US MEDIA

These last few weeks we have endured the mainstream media's proclamations about how sorry they were they did not report the truth that there were no WMDs in Iraq; how the media was deceived along with everyone else (ignoring the fact that pretty much everyone else knew what was going on), and how you would all try to do a better job.

Well, here is your chance to prove that. Italian TV just aired a documentary that proves the US used chemical weapons against civilians in Fallujah, and how Giuliana Sgregna, the Italian Journalist who was kidnapped, then nearly assassinated by US troops following her release, had been reporting on that very story along with one other journalist who was killed by US troops at the time. The British Press picked up the story this morning. The rest of the world is picking up the story. So, where is the US mainstream media on this?

Better hurry. Once again the blogs have beaten you to the story, and the longer you wait, the more obvious it will be that you have not really learned your lesson, that you still cover-up for the US Government, and all your recent apologies were just face-saving bovine excrement.


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

. .I don't believe either of these compounds are banned by treaty.
Both are used by every modern army, both have been used since World War Two.

. . . Use of incendiary weapons is restricted under the 1980 UN Convention on Weapons Which May Be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects. Protocol III of this Convention makes it "prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons" (article II.2). The UK ratified both the Convention and Protocol III on 13 February 1995, and remains fully bound to them. More than 80 other countries around the world have ratified the treaty, and almost none retain incendiary weapons in their arsenals. However, although the United States has ratified the convention, it has not signed up to the protocol on incendiary weapons. It continues to stockpile and use napalm-type weapons. . . .

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5825

 

[Karlin]

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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/08/1516227
Another link same info, but with reporter's quote from witness:

The consistent stories that I have been getting have been refugees describing phosphorus weapons, horribly burned bodies, fires that burn on people when they touch these weapons, and they are unable to extinguish the fires even after dumping large amounts of water on the people. Many people are reporting cluster bombs, as well. And these are coming from the camps that I have been to, different people who have emerged from Fallujah anywhere from one week ago up to on through up toward near the very beginning of the siege."

Cluster Bombs are another form of horror. They have 1000 little bombs in them , which are let go 100feet above the houses of a neighborhood /enemy area - thats all they are good for is a wide-area cover.
These smaller ones spread and then go off, sometimes on the ground and sometimes at roof level, it is sheer terror. It covers a few blocks square, all are vulnerable. The noise actually deafens some victims, depending on the type of load they use.

 

[PoisonPete2]

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America is evil. Perhaps if we ignore them, they will go away.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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America is evil. Perhaps if we ignore them, they will go away.

sadly......one is inclined to think in those terms now. Have to admit...... for many years I too was blind to the american criminality , inhumanity etc. Talk about a wake up to realilty. ....and the reality is truly UGLY. There seems nothing that the us has touched ........that has not turned ugly. or been damaged /destroyed. What is even more horrific........is that so many americans are so tunnel visioned and cannot see the consequences of their conduct. They are on some power trip , and the hell with anything else. They feel entitled to things now........and almost demand to be worshipped. Suspect as time goes on .......we will see more confirmation of the superficial , plastic, SELFISH , uncaring society that america truly is. And don't bother to bring up all the money the us spends to "help".......as there are always strings attached. Plus it has a habit of welching on any pledges it makes.... So there are some serious trust issues here.

the current america is UGLY, CRIMINAL and deteriorating fast.....ethically, morally, legally. While their national debt reaches astronomical stratospheres.

 

[PoisonPete2]

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the current america is UGLY, CRIMINAL and deteriorating fast.....ethically, morally, legally. While their national debt reaches astronomical stratospheres.

Answer - I suspect that the U.S. gov. will declare their debt papers (long term bonds, debentures etc.) to be meaningless and declare themselves debt-free.

I note that the americans did excuse themselves from signing specific parts of treaties, wouldn't sign the landmines treaty, wouldn't recognize the war crimes court. I guess that deep down they must realize how evil they have become and won't own up to it.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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the current america is UGLY, CRIMINAL and deteriorating fast.....ethically, morally, legally. While their national debt reaches astronomical stratospheres.

Answer - I suspect that the U.S. gov. will declare their debt papers (long term bonds, debentures etc.) to be meaningless and declare themselves debt-free.

I note that the americans did excuse themselves from signing specific parts of treaties, wouldn't sign the landmines treaty, wouldn't recognize the war crimes court. I guess that deep down they must realize how evil they have become and won't own up to it.

Indeed!-that and the arrogance they assume . Ya see in their minds now....... laws don't apply to them......but they do to everyone else on this planet. That is how out of control they are which makes them a loose cannon on the planet. (the very thing they claim to be condemning in other nations.) Hypocracy does not begin to cover this new amerika. Sadly the rest of the world is letting the US get away with murder........and this only compounds /reinforces their arrogance , confidence and desire to take whatever liberty they can. (plus that puffed up pride thing they are known for) Mind you.......the world also knows that any aggression against the US will lead to major destruction on this planet. So the rest of the world still cares & watches. .......while the US could give a damn. The u.s. values only a small number of things........and life is not one of them. POWER ,WEALTH being the foremost. ............... Rome all over again......only in hi tech era. Rome had no humanitarian values either.Their 'god" was power and gold...........so the currency has changed.......the principle is the same.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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I don't believe either of these compounds are banned by treaty.

Not only is their use banned by treaty (which the US has ratified), but they also fall under failure to protect and willful endangerment of civilians. So do many other US war practices such as "shock and awe". The United States has broken so many of the treaties and conventions they have signed, and refused to sign onto so many others that they can only be described as a rogue state at this point...outside of international law and unwilling to negotiate.

 

[GL Schmitt]

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. . . I suspect that the U.S. gov. will declare their debt papers (long term bonds, debentures etc.) to be meaningless and declare themselves debt-free. . .

Were the American Administration mad enough to do such a thing, the WTO, or each defaulted-against a nation, would seize all extraterritorial American property in leu of their payment and cut off all trade with any American company, or its government.

America would be isolated not only politically, but economically. Americans would only be able to buy what they themselves could produce, and only produce what they themselves could consume.

But, I rather doubt that the American government would be allowed to attempt such a move.

Consider the plight of the multinational corporations headquartered in America. They would be divested of all their foreign holdings. (For an example, consider the American automobile, with each unit containing parts produced in a score of different countries.) Likewise, all American subsidiary companies of multinational corporations with headquarters elsewhere would be cut off from their management, research and marketing.

CEO’s and boards of director would have to decide whether to stay in America, with a severely curtailed structure, or emigrate to wherever their greatest holdings are, while trying to convince those foreign powers that they are the best people to continue running that country's newly-acquired business.

As speculative fiction it makes a rather interesting premise, but it’s the worst kind of Nineteenth Century thinking.

I doubt that such an event would ever be allowed to happen in a global economy.

 

[PoisonPete2]

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so basically America can invade a peaceful country, totally destroy its economy, murder tens of thousands of their people, use weapons of messy destruction and that's all 'tickety boo' but if they tell China, Japan and Saudi Arabia that they won't honour their paper, then that is a sin beyond redemption. Now that is 19th century thinking. I could write a long list of countries invaded by the U.S. when a government took actions against 'private' interests of american companies. Don't believe many countries would do much about it, cos america got the big toys.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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so basically America can invade a peaceful country, totally destroy its economy, murder tens of thousands of their people, use weapons of messy destruction and that's all 'tickety boo' but if they tell China, Japan and Saudi Arabia that they won't honour their paper, then that is a sin beyond redemption.

Welcome to Greedworld. I'm afraid that's the the way it is. Nice place, eh?

 

[GL Schmitt]

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. . . so basically America can invade a peaceful country, totally destroy its economy, murder tens of thousands of their people, use weapons of messy destruction and that's all 'tickety boo' . . .

Now who the FECK ever said that.

Read over the last six months of threads in International Politics, In The News, and even Off Topic and you will read a consensus of opinion that the American Government is illegal, immoral, disgusting, and not much different than the Nazi government.

Bush and all his henchmen should be rounded up and turned over to the World Court for crimes against humanity — and those were the polite opinions. Some of the more impassioned posters suggest retributions which they really should not have written in a family forum.

. . . if they tell China, Japan and Saudi Arabia that they won't honour their paper, then that is a sin beyond redemption. Now that is 19th century thinking. . . .

Glad you are beginning to appreciate that, since it is ostensibly what Cuba did 45 years ago that still rankles the back fur of American interests.

It didn't matter that the property Cuba confiscated was mostly in the hands, and under the control, of an organized crime syndicate of American origin. They still wanted it back.

Except that Russia demanded a public acknowledgement that America would never invade Cuba as part of the negotiated end to hostilities during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the American government, or one of it less savoury agencies, would have gouged Cuba back as a American possession in the hands of another Mafia-backed dictator.

More than anything, that is what most pisses Washington off about Cuba.

. . . .I could write a long list of countries invaded by the U.S. when a government took actions against 'private' interests of american companies. Don't believe many countries would do much about it, cos america got the big toys. . . .

I am encouraged to learn that you understand so well how the American government functions abroad, and expect to see you add your name to the growing list of concerned observers who have named America as a “rogue nation.”

 

[PoisonPete2]

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. . . so basically America can invade a peaceful country, totally destroy its economy, murder tens of thousands of their people, use weapons of messy destruction and that's all 'tickety boo' . . .

Now who the FECK ever said that.

Answer - That is the way it IS. Has any government done anything about it? Has any government stopped trade with this rogue state? Has any country removed their Ambassador? written a diplomatic letter? chastized an American representative? sought remedy in any of the world's governing bodies? When was the last spineless Paul Martin spoke out against the war? against torture under American control? against the horrible weapons used against the civilians of Iraq?

Posturing and informal words are cheap and actions unlikely. Huge profits were made in Canada from the Viet Nam conflict. But at least then we welcomed the dodgers and deserters. Now we refuse them refugee status despite the immorality and illegality of the Iraq war. I would suspect that Canadian business is making huge profits from this war, haven't looked into it yet. Anybody???? That would be a good 'outing'.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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It takes time, Pete, and very few here think it's okay, or even tolerable. People need to speak out. That scares the living feck out of politicians. Not enough do speak out, but most here at least vote, some are pretty involved.

The other thing is that political parties pay attention to places like this. They don't talk about it, but when they talk about the word on the street, sites like this one are part of what they mean.

 

[GL Schmitt]

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. . . Has any government done anything about it? Has any government stopped trade with this rogue state? Has any country removed their Ambassador? written a diplomatic letter? chastized an American representative? sought remedy in any of the world's governing bodies? . . . Huge profits were made in Canada from the Viet Nam conflict. . . I would suspect that Canadian business is making huge profits from this war. . .

That kind of opposition starts (As the Rev as pointed out) slowly, and low to the ground.

You will seldom hear politicians saying it first. You will NEVER hear businessmen saying it first. (Except in the case of reneging on payments of debt, or confiscation of property) Still, it has already begun happening at a significantly visible level.

In 2003, then Prime Minister Jean Chretien, listened to Canadians protesting the war (perhaps he also looked at the shoddy proof the Bush Administration was touting) and refused to permit Canada to be listed as even a none participating partner in Bush's Coalition of the Willing.

At the moment, Lawyers Against War are fighting to file charges through Canada with the World Court charging George W. Bush with War Crimes.

Last spring, in just such a diplomatic letter as you requested, Prime Minister Paul Martin, no doubt in response to Canadian public opinion, declined on Canada’s behalf to take part in the American Strategic Defense Initiative, to then American Ambassador to Canada Paul Cellucci.

Every time Bush or one of his cabal journeys to Canada, they are met by protestors. Those protesters, have been numerous enough and vociferous enough to encourage newspapers in Canada to finance polls on the public’s opinion about Bush.

As a result (in another thread) there now is statistical proof from that poll that 73% of the Canadians asked expressed an unfavourable opinion of the U.S. President, and 38% said they felt Bush was more dangerous to world security than Osama bin Laden.

No doubt you are correct about Canadian firms making a profit out of America’s involvement in Iraq. With the best will in the world not to participate, it is difficult to control where all of a company’s product goes in a world market, and nobody ever said that every Canadian firm has the best will in the world if it means thinning their bottom line.

As you mentioned Vietnam, I recall a particular case where a Canadian factory (local to me) was found to be manufacturing air-to-ground missile guidance systems. (It was actually the women working on the assembly line who found out what they were assembling.)

The factory in question was Raytheon, which even then was an international company headquartered in the US. The women protested, and were told to shut up. They went public, and were fired. Students for U of W joined them on a picket line, not protesting their illegal loss of employment, but the fact that Raytheon was manufacturing weaponry for use in Vietnam.

Eventually, the company announced that it had discontinued assembly of munitions in its Canada plant, but since there was no way to monitor their compliance, none of us ever knew for certain that they weren't just feeding us horse puckey.