Blame Canada

[TenPenny]

Re: RE: Blame Canada

I'm not seeing a lot of poor doctors in your numbers, Ten Penny. $76,000 is lowest number...in 1995 dollars.

Are there higher-paying jobs? Yeah...you should see my vet bills. I don't know what he drives, but I'm pretty sure I've paid for a couple of Porsches over the years.

Doctors are paid pretty well though. If they want to take their taxpayer-subsidised educations and move to the US so they can make more, I suggest they be charged for the difference between what they paid for their educations and what a foreign student would have paid.

By that token, rev, every single university-educated person in Canada would be in the same boat. Every single one. So, we don't let anyone with any education leave the country. Ever.

I agree. That's a good idea. Mention it to Layton next time you see him.

Don't forget that what, an MLA in BC makes $140,000, or was that a member of Cabinet? And what education do you need for that? What responsibility for their decisions do they have? A good Chartered Accountant will make $100,000-150,000 per year. Typical CEO of a medium sized business is in this range. Dentists are probably $300-$500,000 per year easy. Let's penalize doctors, because they're an easy target.

The big deal is, rev, if you get a good education, you can expect to be well paid. That's the point of an education.

 

[Reverend Blair]

By that token, rev, every single university-educated person in Canada would be in the same boat. Every single one. So, we don't let anyone with any education leave the country. Ever.

That's not what I said, Ten Penny. I said if they are going to take their subsidized education and leave the country, then they should be required to pay what a foreign student would have paid. They can leave if they want, but they should have to pay the bill.

I have no problem with them moving to wherever they want, but I object to paying for their education if they are just going to take it someplace else.

What MLAs and CEOs and various PFGHs make is irrelevant to the discussion. If somebody wanted to become one of those things, they can. If they choose to become a doctor or a nurse, they can.

 

[tracy]

Re: RE: Blame Canada

Doctors also have a lot of over head as well, staff, rent, furnishings they need for exam and waiting rooms, utility bills, student loans etc.

Yes, but this did say their net salary which to me implies they are talking about after office expenses.

 

[tracy]

Re: RE: Blame Canada

By that token, rev, every single university-educated person in Canada would be in the same boat. Every single one. So, we don't let anyone with any education leave the country. Ever.

I agree. That's a good idea. Mention it to Layton next time you see him.

Don't forget that what, an MLA in BC makes $140,000, or was that a member of Cabinet? And what education do you need for that? What responsibility for their decisions do they have? A good Chartered Accountant will make $100,000-150,000 per year. Typical CEO of a medium sized business is in this range. Dentists are probably $300-$500,000 per year easy. Let's penalize doctors, because they're an easy target.

The big deal is, rev, if you get a good education, you can expect to be well paid. That's the point of an education.

I couldn't agree with you more. I don't know why taxpayers think they have a right to individual repayment for everything they pay for. I pay taxes that support a lot of things I don't believe in and can't benefit from. That's life. Those doctors presumably have worked and paid taxes in Canada while in school and afterwards as have their parents and like I pointed out, they are worked to death for little pay in their residency. They don't owe the Canadian taxpayer a damn thing. If you want to keep health professionals in the country, make it appealing to them. Otherwise stop bitching about them leaving.

I do have to say though that education does not necessarily mean more money. Social workers all have their Masters and make a lot less than me. I'm looking into graduate school in the fall, but the job change associated with the degree would result in a lot less money for me too.

 

[Summer]

My fiance has more education than I have, but generally speaking I've usually been paid more per hour than he has throughout our working lives thus far. That may eventually change, but so far it's generally been the case.

*shrug*

 

[no1important]

Re: RE: Blame Canada

Doctors also have a lot of over head as well, staff, rent, furnishings they need for exam and waiting rooms, utility bills, student loans etc.

Yes, but this did say their net salary which to me implies they are talking about after office expenses.

Ahh net salary, sorry I misread it. But really for many years of university and longer if they are a specialist, is that really a lot of money?

 

[tracy]

Re: RE: Blame Canada

Doctors also have a lot of over head as well, staff, rent, furnishings they need for exam and waiting rooms, utility bills, student loans etc.

Yes, but this did say their net salary which to me implies they are talking about after office expenses.

Ahh net salary, sorry I misread it. But really for many years of university and longer if they are a specialist, is that really a lot of money?

I think it's reasonable, especially since it's only talking about the average wage and that's from 10 years ago and most docs in Canada are GPs. A GP needs about 8-9 years of training (3-4 years of which may have little to do with medicine), and they will get paid for a year or so of that. Really though, after 9 or 10K a month, how much money do you need to be happy? If it was only about the money, all those GPs would be anesthesiologists.

Besides, years of education doesn't necessarily mean more money. Like I said if I get my graduate degree, the jobs that go along with it would mean a significant drop in pay from my current job. I make more money with my Bachelors degree than the physiotherapists and social workers who hold masters' degrees.