Bilingual in Canada

missile

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Dec 1, 2004
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Re: RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

Proud_to_be_English said:
oh, and missile...perhaps YOU should move to quebec to be with YOUR own kind.
Oh yeah! I'd fit in really well with the few English speakers there. (I'd be just like you stuck in your deadend job in Fredericton. Take the hint-learn a bit of French.Heck! The government even pays your way to do so. Why not take advantage of a good deal? Every clerk at our Saint John Post Office did,and hardly ever have to use it.By the way,my daughter took the French course and now she has a job in Moncton paying over 48 thou a year.
 

Martin Le Acadien

Electoral Member
Sep 29, 2004
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Province perdue du Canada, Louisian
Re: RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

missile said:
Proud_to_be_English said:
oh, and missile...perhaps YOU should move to quebec to be with YOUR own kind.
Oh yeah! I'd fit in really well with the few English speakers there. (I'd be just like you stuck in your deadend job in Fredericton. Take the hint-learn a bit of French.Heck! The government even pays your way to do so. Why not take advantage of a good deal? Every clerk at our Saint John Post Office did,and hardly ever have to use it.By the way,my daughter took the French course and now she has a job in Moncton paying over 48 thou a year.

Aprends le francais.

don't work up a sweat on this guy, he has a francophobia and learning french won't cure it! My daughters all speak french, and were educated in immersion school in Louisiana and I don't think he wants to hear they might immigrate to Canada!

Bi-lingual Acadian Princesses making good money, not exactly what he wants to hear!
 

DasFX

Electoral Member
Dec 6, 2004
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Re: RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

Martin Le Acadien said:
My dear Sir, the Canadian Government is the successor to the Government of Great Britian and all of her right, title and interest which the Great Britian owned in North America were vested in Canada just as the US is the successor to Great Britian in the former 13 colonies and had to assume all liabilities which Great Britian had.

Recognize the Acadiens as belonging to the areas from which their ancestors came and allow them to immigrate freely. No money, no land return, just an apology and set the record straight.

The sins of the parent, Great Britain do not fall onto the child, Canada. It was a British decision to exile the Acadians, go ask them for an apology.

Where Canada has been in the wrong, such as with Native issues and with the Japaneese of WW2, the government has eventually appologized, but with the Acadians, how can a country appologize for something that happened over 100 year before it even existed.

If we worry about fixing and appologizing to every group that was wronged in history, society will never get anywhere.

No one is doubting the origin of the Acadian people, as for free immigration back, I would say no. You are American citizens by birth therefore if you wish to immigrate to Canada, you have to follow all the rule like everyone else.

Do you think African slaves could go back to Africa and automatically claim citizenship?



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Martin Le Acadien

Electoral Member
Sep 29, 2004
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Province perdue du Canada, Louisian
Re: RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

DasFX said:
The sins of the parent, Great Britain do not fall onto the child, Canada. It was a British decision to exile the Acadians, go ask them for an apology.

Where Canada has been in the wrong, such as with Native issues and with the Japaneese of WW2, the government has eventually appologized, but with the Acadians, how can a country appologize for something that happened over 100 year before it even existed.

If we worry about fixing and appologizing to every group that was wronged in history, society will never get anywhere.

No one is doubting the origin of the Acadian people, as for free immigration back, I would say no. You are American citizens by birth therefore if you wish to immigrate to Canada, you have to follow all the rule like everyone else.

Do you think African slaves could go back to Africa and automatically claim citizenship?
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In some cases and countries, if the person could document that their tribal heritage is from a certain area, the country allows admission.

The Confederato Issue is one of those cases where the US has had to fix a previous wrong. The story is pretty detailed but here is what happened:

At the end of the US Civil War in 1865, some confederate (meaning those in rebellion) plantation owners loaded up their possessions, gear and "SLAVES"! They went to Brazil, where slavery was still legal and set up plantations and continued to carry on as if nothing happened.

Here is where it gets slippery, the Emancipation Proclaimation in 1863 freed all slaves by executive order in the States and Areas still under Confederate Control and in rebellion. The so callled slaves were not slaves any more by executive order but free people held in captivity by an illegal government under an illegal government order! Since they were removed to Brazil while being a free people, their right were deemed to be violated!

This determination was not made until almost 100 years later when in 1966 a Federal Court Judge in Houston, Texas ruled that the descendents had a claim to American Citizenship and the exodus began to bring Confederato Slave decendents back home to the US! Some of these people did not know how to speak English, had lived in sqaulor in the slums of Brazil but they were considered Americans and brought to the USA if they so wished! The US govt paid their way and set these people up!

A country inherits the rights, duties and obligations of its parents in so far as it relates to the successor government. By Your reasoning the treaty of 1818 which set the boundary at the 49th parallel is not binding upon Canada! The Supreme Court of Canada which has upheld the validity of treaties signed by the French with the various First Nations People are valid obligations upon Canada by reason of successor in warranty to the rights of Great Britian under siad treaties.

We are American Citizens by reason of birth and why were we born here? Because we were sent here.
 

DasFX

Electoral Member
Dec 6, 2004
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Whitby, Ontario
Re: RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

Martin Le Acadien said:
We are American Citizens by reason of birth and why were we born here? Because we were sent here.

It is terrible that 15,000 Acadians were expelled from Nova Scotia; it is terrible that many things happen in this world. However, I do not feel that the Canadian government, who represents me, should formally apologize. There are peoples who have suffered far greater injustice, but yet have moved on and rebuilt without carrying animosity and hatred through generations.

Many years have pasted since the incident, including years where Canada had a very open immigration policy and Acadians could have returned if they wanted to.

Besides, I suspect the culture in Acadian New Brunswick and Cajun Louisiana is very different; you really aren't the same people now, so really I bet most Cajuns would rather remain in Louisiana (only my opinion).
 

Martin Le Acadien

Electoral Member
Sep 29, 2004
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Province perdue du Canada, Louisian
Re: RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

DasFX said:
Martin Le Acadien said:
We are American Citizens by reason of birth and why were we born here? Because we were sent here.

It is terrible that 15,000 Acadians were expelled from Nova Scotia; it is terrible that many things happen in this world. However, I do not feel that the Canadian government, who represents me, should formally apologize. There are peoples who have suffered far greater injustice, but yet have moved on and rebuilt without carrying animosity and hatred through generations.

Many years have pasted since the incident, including years where Canada had a very open immigration policy and Acadians could have returned if they wanted to.

Besides, I suspect the culture in Acadian New Brunswick and Cajun Louisiana is very different; you really aren't the same people now, so really I bet most Cajuns would rather remain in Louisiana (only my opinion).

We rebuilt, carried on through the generations and you will not find a more kind or loving people without animosity than the Acadien People, but we did not forget, we understand the anguish of the holocaust, we do not like the idea of secret prisons, punish our enimies in plain sight but let them have their say, we are a humane people, we usually vote blue in the sea of red.

Our culture in Le Pays de Saguine et le baie de chaleur is the same, it is haunting to us in Louisiana to walk the streets of Le Sud-ouest de Novelle Ecosse and to hear our language and idioms used the same! Our families are being put together as we meet cousins who tell us of the past and we tell them of our travels! The language is common, the culture is common and the music is the same! I just met some snowbirds from Nouvelle Brunswick last night at the store and we visited until the early hours of this morning! Different, little cultural differences have crept into the scene but we still speak French, worship as Catholic, dance the same dances and play music with the same lyrics!

DasFX, the acadiens did not go off into the dark of night and fade away into the meltingpot, we thrived, but do not try to keep us down! Do come to the Congres Mondial Acadien in 2009 on the Bay de Chaleur and hear our songs, see us greet family members and eat the same foods. Rappie Pie, Bouie, pate frite and other good things, we are teaching the northern Acadiens about Gumbo, Jambalaya, Ecrivisse, and Oysters (Le Huitres). New seasonings are being demonstrated and the adaptation is uncanny.

Would we want to stay in Louisiana, most would, but I suspect my daughters might drift North, you see, one is in love with a boy from Dieppe, NB and I can only seperate them with a crowbar! The little fellow comes to visit Louisiana and he loves the culture because it remind him of home, his parents could not believe that they could walk into the Bank, Post Office or Store and be served in French! All my children speak French and was educated in immersion school and we get the latest from the Maritimes since it is beamed in for the Cable system here. You see, most of the 60-70+ crowd here only speaks and writes in French! Our news and entertainment comes from Acadie (The Maritimes) since we identify very heavly with our Acadian Cousins!

In the 60's and 70's many people here tried to immigrate but the laws did not favor non-Anglophones in Eastern Canada and discrimination was rampant! We are not asking for a knee groveling apology but an admission and offer to allow freedom of travel and living!

If there is any injustice, do whatever you can to make it right, I would not want it to be said that I remained silent! It only condones more injustice.
 

Andem

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Mar 24, 2002
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RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

Martin, I hope your daughters drift North. What kind of options do they have as decendants of misplaced Acadiens? I hope they're able to like and work across the border with no problems, because I'm sure they would love living in this great country. I certainly do.

(I say this because of the growing amount of people thinking about, talking about or considering moving to Canada who may run into the queues and books of paperwork!
 

Gabre34

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Re: "All provinces should become bilingual"

Andem said:
Dion says all should be bilingual



Canadian Press


Monday, August 05, 2002

FREDERICTON -- The federal minister of intergovernmental affairs says all provinces should become officially bilingual, like New Brunswick.

Stephane Dion has challenged the Ontario government to take the first step by making Ottawa bilingual. He said Monday if the capital of Canada was officially bilingual it would be good for everyone in the country. Dion said Quebec would become more open to English if the rest of the country embraced French.

The minister was in Fredericton on Monday for a ceremony as New Brunswick's new Official Languages Act became law. The 33-year-old act has been revamped to bring it in line with the Charter of Rights.

The federal government has contributed $1 million to help translate municipal bylaws in the province into both English and French.

© Copyright 2002 The Canadian Press

A completely bilingual country? Then what? Mandatory teeth-brushing? Compulsatory service?

NO, NO and again, NO.
 

jackd

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Nov 23, 2004
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Montreal
RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

 

missile

House Member
Dec 1, 2004
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Saint John N.B.
RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

It's really quite a painless process[becoming bilingual], and as a citizen of Canada's only bilingual province,have very little problems ..and I still can't speak French.
 

missile

House Member
Dec 1, 2004
4,846
17
38
Saint John N.B.
RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

It's really quite a painless process[becoming bilingual], and as a citizen of Canada's only bilingual province,have very little problems ..and I still can't speak French.
 

missile

House Member
Dec 1, 2004
4,846
17
38
Saint John N.B.
RE: "All provinces should become bilingual"

It's really quite a painless process[becoming bilingual], and as a citizen of Canada's only bilingual province,have very little problems ..and I still can't speak French.