Beware Harper

[nomore]

Paul Martin and a CSIS agent are taking a stroll when they come upon a little girl carrying a basket with a blanket over it. Curious, Martin asks the girl,

"What's in the basket?" She replies, "New baby kittens," and she opens the basket to show him.

"How nice," says Martin. "What kind are they?" The little girl says,
"Liberals."

Martin smiles, pats the little girl on the head and continues on.

Three weeks later, Martin is taking another stroll, this time with Jack Layton. They see the little girl again with the same basket. Martin says, "Watch this, Jack; it's really cute." They approach the little girl. He greets the little girl and says

"How are the kittens doing? She says, "Fine." Then, smirking, he nudges Layton with his elbow and asks the little girl, "And can you tell us what kind of kittens they are?" She replies, "Conservatives." Abashed, Martin says, "But three weeks ago you said they were Liberals!"

"I know," she says. "But now their little eyes are open."

:lol:

 

[Briteyes]

I am sorry but I thought we voted for out own constituents not the party leaders. In my riding the last conservative to get elected here was a guy named Alan Pope provincial conservative under Bill Davis. We should all look at our individual candidates to see who will better serve us in parliment instead of looking at the big picture. I can say however that the conservatives have painted a picture that all liberals are corrupt which is funny since the corruption happend in Quebec pretty far from me I might add. Here it is a close race between the liberals and NDP the conservative are a very far third but of course I live in Northern Ontario and we are the forgotten people. The fear for me is if the conservatives get a majority because I remember the days of Mike Harris in Ontario and how I watched our economy go into the toilet thanks to his common sense revolution that is a fact. He also lowered taxes, cut services and tried to destroy our education system and health care. I am not saying that the honorable Stephen Harper is a bad guy I just think we should all be aware of tax cuts because they do come at a very high price sometimes. By the way I have decided to vote liberal in this election just because I like the candidate running in my riding. not that it will matter in the grand scheme of things but that is what I have chosen to do.

 

[Jay]

The fear for me is if the conservatives get a majority because I remember the days of Mike Harris in Ontario and how I watched our economy go into the toilet thanks to his common sense revolution that is a fact. He also lowered taxes, cut services and tried to destroy our education system and health care.

Of course everyone else knows this is blatantly false and no where near factual.

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/economy/ecoutlook/statement02/papera.html


"The same policies have helped Ontario to prosper over the years since 1995. During the 1996-2001 period, Ontario's real GDP grew by 26.6 per cent, an average of 4.0 per cent per year. This was a dramatic turnaround from the stagnation of the early 1990s. Since 1995, Ontario's growth has been much stronger than that of any G-7 nation and also faster than the growth of any other provincial economy."

 

[nomore]

The fear for me is if the conservatives get a majority because I remember the days of Mike Harris in Ontario and how I watched our economy go into the toilet thanks to his common sense revolution that is a fact. He also lowered taxes, cut services and tried to destroy our education system and health care.

fact? please...show me these "facts". He had no choice to do what he did, because thanks to the NDP, Ontario's deficit was huge, and same for the debt.

“By 1995, Ontario's unemployment rate was skyrocketing and the deficit was growing bigger, leaving most people convinced that the government of Bob Rae had become ineffective.”

“The new right-wing government of Mike Harris implemented a neoconservative program of cuts to social spending and taxes (the "Common Sense Revolution") that balanced the budget and significantly lowered taxes for most Ontarians (both lower and middle class). It was blamed for widespread failure in the quality of health care and education, and for transferring the costs of many programs from the province to the municipalities ("downloading"). In reality however, cutbacks in federal healthcare funding by the Chretien Liberal government were largely responsible for Ontario's health-care woes.”
(Source: Wikipedia)

One thing to note, Harris kept each election promise he made, so to fault him on doing what he promised to do, and what he was elected to do is rather foolish.

And as Jay pointed out, our economy is much stronger because of it. Including the reduction of welfare dependancy.

So I’m not sure where you are getting your info from.
If you also noticed, the healthcare problems in Ontario were the fault of the federal Liberals….and now you are voting for them….ah the hypocracy
:roll:

 

[MaxPower]

Soldiers...with guns...in our cities.
Seriously, we don't make this up. :roll:

seriously geopolitics, get with reality. The world will not colapse if Harper gets elected. Not to mention, many of the points you put in your original post are highly edited, and abreviated.

edit: actually some are pretty close to flat out lies.

Here is a Great web site that lists Harpers quotes.

http://www.harperwatch.ca/home

We have the Liberals to thank for our economy today, not Harper.

Harper is clearly for a Private Health Care system, and does not care about the poor.

- Conservative leader Stephen Harper at the leadership debate, June 15th 2004, conceding that he shouldn’t talk about his positive view of privatization of health care.

“It’s past time the feds scrapped the Canada Health Act.”

 

[Jay]

It is time.....

 

[MaxPower]

..and replace it with what?

Can you afford a heart transplant of $150,000, or a small operation of $30,000 to remove a caner growth.

Insurance companies can drop you, just because you are to high of a risk.

Or better yet, you are left to die outside of the hospital because you don't have insurance.

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/sph/pr/wr099.html
http://www.yesmagazine.org/svgblog/2005/12/health-care-our-families-deserve.html
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9811/13/no.health.insurance/

BC Health care charges $56 a month
Alberta charge $45 a month

Blue Shield in the USA charges $164USD a month - $210CDN/month
http://www.healthquotefinder.com/quick-quote.jsp?link_id=598&source=google&kw=blue_shield_lmTX_exm

Unicare in the USA charges $86USD/month - $110CDN/month
but you pay the first $1500 to $3500 in hospital bills
http://www.unicare.com/

OH Yeah, and U.S. hospitals are closing left amd right because people can't afford to pay them. :lol:

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2808dcgenlyonsinterview.html

Yeah, we want to follow in the foot steps of the USA Medical systems..

 

[I think not]

Nobody dies in the US because they have no health insurance, they have to take you, it's the law.

 

[Colpy]

..and replace it with what?

Can you afford a heart transplant of $150,000, or a small operation of $30,000 to remove a caner growth.

Insurance companies can drop you, just because you are to high of a risk.

Or better yet, you are left to die outside of the hospital because you don't have insurance.

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/sph/pr/wr099.html
http://www.yesmagazine.org/svgblog/2005/12/health-care-our-families-deserve.html
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9811/13/no.health.insurance/

This is silly.

No political entity in this country is going to do ANYTHING to damage the ability of all Canadians to access health care.

To do so would be political suicide.
Political parties exist to gain, and retain political power, none will commit suicide.

On purpose, anyway.

Health care delivery is a provincial matter. It is quite fitting to allow the provinces to experiment with health care delivery to find the most efficient method.

As well, the Conservatives have promised a maximum wait time schedule......that would radically IMPROVE delivery.

It is too late for fear-mongering.

 

[Jay]

..and replace it with what?

Can you afford a heart transplant of $150,000, or a small operation of $30,000 to remove a caner growth.

Insurance companies can drop you, just because you are to high of a risk.

Or better yet, you are left to die outside of the hospital because you don't have insurance.

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/sph/pr/wr099.html
http://www.yesmagazine.org/svgblog/2005/12/health-care-our-families-deserve.html
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9811/13/no.health.insurance/

BC Health care charges $56 a month
Alberta charge $45 a month

Blue Shield in the USA charges $164USD a month - $210CDN/month
http://www.healthquotefinder.com/quick-quote.jsp?link_id=598&source=google&kw=blue_shield_lmTX_exm

Unicare in the USA charges $86USD/month - $110CDN/month
but you pay the first $1500 to $3500 in hospital bills
http://www.unicare.com/

OH Yeah, and U.S. hospitals are closing left amd right because people can't afford to pay them. :lol:

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2808dcgenlyonsinterview.html

Yeah, we want to follow in the foot steps of the USA Medical systems..

Don't think I haven't heard all the silly arguments already.

It isn't my fault the left hasn't figured out yet that families making 80K and more can afford their own healthcare.

 

[karra]

Whether your Liberal, Conservative, Social Democrat, Separatist or undecided, this is very important to know.

As many Canadians may know the federal elections are going to be held on the 23rd of January, 2006.

It is essential to warn others about the man who is responsible for toppling the Canadian Government so he can become the new Prime Minister of Canada and carry out his hidden agenda across Canada.

The rhetoric et al seems familiar, no?

Might I suggest a re-titling of this topic. . . .

 

[Jay]

It's a warning to Harper....beware


I thought Jack Layton was credited with toppling the government.

Harper, beware.....

 

[MaxPower]

...hasn't figured out yet that families making 80K and more can afford their own healthcare.

It's better that everyone be treated equal, regardless of income.

Otherwise, if you need a liver transplant and the choice is between you and an individual who is willing to pay $45,000 for the operation, guess who is going to get the operation.

Not you. You will die of Liver failure.

Say, you may be right after all about Private health care. :lol:

 

[Jay]

Of coarse I'm right. If I was wrong I would buy into your argument.

Under your beloved system both people die of liver failure from waiting so long.

See, you people are just looking to buy votes from people who can afford their own healthcare. Your feeding the rich tax dollars that could be better served to the poor...people who actually need it. It doesn't make an ounce of sense but it makes for a lot votes for the greedy....

 

[MaxPower]

That was a sarcastic reply, that if you would cease to exsit because of the policy you so desire, then that it would be a good thing.

Then again, most conservatives are really not all that astute.

 

[Jay]

I figured it was sarcastic; unless you were calling for my death...

I wasn't being sarcastic though.

 

[Calberty]

"It's better that everyone be treated equal, regardless of income. "

Like Svend the Thief Robinson? He steals a $50,000 ring and Layton gives him a ringing endorsement to represent the NDP?

The next time someone is caught doing a major theft, he'll show his NDP membership card and get
a party nomination.

CTV Poll


Cons 42%
Libs 24%
Svends 17%

 

[MaxPower]

Not calling for your death, however it would be justice if your rants about how great a Private Health Care system would be, bit you in the ass a year from now.

Actually, a Conservate win is the best thing for my company.

However, I have lived all over the world and until you do, you don't relize what you have back home.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Beware Harper

Not calling for your death, however it would be justice if your rants about how great a Private Health Care system would be, bit you in the ass a year from now.

Speaking of not being very astute.....

Nobody in Canada is calling for an end to Medicare and a completely private health care system.
Private health care already exists in Canada, and has for years.

 

[MaxPower]

You're wrong, Harper wants a Private Health Care system.

You will see...