Best sandwich ever!

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Daz_Hockey said:
Lucifer, Macjo is in China, he's not going to a chinese takeout...although he should go to the one in San Fran with the rude woman owner, she called me "cheap" for only giving her a $8 DOLLAR!!!! TIP!!!!!!

OR!!!.....Go to the Deli opposite the Youth Hostel on 91st street/ Amsterdam Ave, amazing sandwiches, and they tend to be bigger if the owners realise your not a "rude" american!!! hehehe

You gave her an $8 tip? Why? I would never even conceive of tipping in such an amount. Now I am the cheap one. You should have backhanded her for insulting you in front of the patrons. Never go there again.

Where is this Amsterdam Ave.?
 

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Daz_Hockey said:
Ah!!!! YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH ITN!!!! How do you do it?.......I was thinking the very same, I've been to Katz's (although I'd leave out the pickle)

Best deli in town my man, now I know for sure you've been around. :lol:
 

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it's in New York's west side, one street away from central Park, I was in the youth Hostel there, the Deli looked like it was an undercover branch of the Taliban, but when they realise you arnt American, they'll serve you first, ignore the americans, sell you the sanwich cheaper and add more to it.

And I only gave the chinese woman that tip because, A. she's known thru out America for being the rudest waitress, and 2. I just didnt need the hassle cus I had a headache

(not Katz ITN the first one, but in Spanish Harlem, I think it's 91st street next to a mexican/american diner and a Afro-american barber...directly opposite the AYH-YHA NY Youth Hostel...it used to be an old woman's home, you must know it on Amsterdam Ave..and the chinese woman is in chinatown in San Fran)
 

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I know that one isnt Katz ITN, this other one was so crazy for it's zenophobic anti-american staff right in the heart of NY, I couldnt miss em
 

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Never heard of them, you should of tried the soup nazi when he was still around. The soup was real good. His soup with a pastrami sandwich from Katz's, oh man, it's better than sex. Well not really, but close enough lol.
 

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I did try "Grace Papaya", now those hot dogs and Papaya juice is to die for...and Katz's as in this:

http://www.katzdeli.com/

yep I've been there, oh and Lucifer, if you ARE in Spanish Harlem at midnight, and your asked by a black homeless guy if you have any change.....dont put on a fake american accent and say "Sorry dude, I havent got any", I'm sure he knew it was a fake one...I couldda been stabbed!!!! CRAZY!!!!
 

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"I love how people like yourself call it Chinese food when it is clearly not."

What? I think I'm about to read a shocking revelation here.

"When people order Chinese take-out and the like they think it is the same food they eat in China."

As far as I know, whether I eat in the restaurant or take out, I'm still in China. If I'm wrong on this one, then there's definietely something you need to tell me.

"It is not even close."

OK. I'm waiting for the punchline.

"The Chinese food you order from those restaurants are not authentic Chinese food."

Hmmm... so where exactly ought I go to eat authentic Chinese food if not to China? OK, now you've really peaked my curiosity.

That is food changed by the British into a different type of food, a fast food if you will.

"When Hong Kong was ruled by the British (damn but I miss those days) they took Chinese food and changed it to meet the Western palate."

And what bout the food here?

"The Chinese had never fried anything before the arrival of the British."

Wow! They sure like to fry foods now. Here you could actually by deep-fried hamburgers! The things look disgusting, and being vegetarian myself, I'm not interested in trying them anyway. But I'll tell you this much. If frying foods came from the British, the Chinese have certainly surpassed them in the art of frying since then. And most people around these parts are quite happy Hong Kong has been repatriated after the British attempt of trying to impose the Opium trade upon China while prohibiting it on their own land, using Hong Kong as a main port for Opium importation. What a proud history the British have in Hong Kong there.

"As everyone knows Chinese food here in the West is all fried."

And most foods here are fried too,much of it quite oily might I add. But I haven't seen deep-fried burgers in Canada yet. But I'll keep an eye out when I go back this comming winter.

"British culinary style was adapted to Chinese food to make it tastier."

Most locals here aren't too impressed by British cooking to begin with. Or maybe they took frying from the British, adopted it as their own, and have since forgotten that we're now all eating British-modified Chinese food, thinking that it's the authentic stuff? Wow, just wait till I tell them that I know more about their cullinary history than they do. I'll try to tell them that all that frying comes from the British.

"I mean the Chinese steam their rice and that is truly nasty."

Well, we usually eat steamed rice with oher foods, not alone. but they also fry their rice too. But that must be another British innovation I suppose?

I'll ask around.
 

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indeed....Sandwiches in Britain have just become the new vouge again!!!...

there's about 4 "sandwich" chain's now with at least 4 shops in each town, personally I like a nice Piri-Piri chicken Sandwich from "Bradwell's"...but otherwise..have you tried, what you call a "gyro" yet?....now they are nice, quite fatty though...just returning to the humble sarnie
 

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SaintLucifer said:
Where is this Amsterdam Ave.?

It's in Spanish Harlem uptown Manhattan, not a place for fascists.

There is a Spanish Harlem in Manhattan? Will wonders never cease! It is not a place for fascists? Was not Franco a fascist? Lol. :lol:
 

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Machjo said:
"I love how people like yourself call it Chinese food when it is clearly not."

What? I think I'm about to read a shocking revelation here.

"When people order Chinese take-out and the like they think it is the same food they eat in China."

As far as I know, whether I eat in the restaurant or take out, I'm still in China. If I'm wrong on this one, then there's definietely something you need to tell me.

"It is not even close."

OK. I'm waiting for the punchline.

"The Chinese food you order from those restaurants are not authentic Chinese food."

Hmmm... so where exactly ought I go to eat authentic Chinese food if not to China? OK, now you've really peaked my curiosity.

That is food changed by the British into a different type of food, a fast food if you will.

"When Hong Kong was ruled by the British (damn but I miss those days) they took Chinese food and changed it to meet the Western palate."

And what bout the food here?

"The Chinese had never fried anything before the arrival of the British."

Wow! They sure like to fry foods now. Here you could actually by deep-fried hamburgers! The things look disgusting, and being vegetarian myself, I'm not interested in trying them anyway. But I'll tell you this much. If frying foods came from the British, the Chinese have certainly surpassed them in the art of frying since then. And most people around these parts are quite happy Hong Kong has been repatriated after the British attempt of trying to impose the Opium trade upon China while prohibiting it on their own land, using Hong Kong as a main port for Opium importation. What a proud history the British have in Hong Kong there.

"As everyone knows Chinese food here in the West is all fried."

And most foods here are fried too,much of it quite oily might I add. But I haven't seen deep-fried burgers in Canada yet. But I'll keep an eye out when I go back this comming winter.

"British culinary style was adapted to Chinese food to make it tastier."

Most locals here aren't too impressed by British cooking to begin with. Or maybe they took frying from the British, adopted it as their own, and have since forgotten that we're now all eating British-modified Chinese food, thinking that it's the authentic stuff? Wow, just wait till I tell them that I know more about their cullinary history than they do. I'll try to tell them that all that frying comes from the British.

"I mean the Chinese steam their rice and that is truly nasty."

Well, we usually eat steamed rice with oher foods, not alone. but they also fry their rice too. But that must be another British innovation I suppose?

I'll ask around.

Yes, yes. No need to be a smartass commie. I had no idea you were in China. I was not paying attention to the names and flags crap. Do calm yourself.

I rather enjoyed that little ditty about Hong Kong and the opium trade. Never forget it was never forced upon you. Why? People in China were making too much money. Warlords and the like I believe. We had full permission of the Emperor/Empress.

Do you not find it strange that for a century little Hong Kong was wealthier than gigantic China? Could this have anything to do with British rule? Why yes I think it does. Deng Xiaoping was bloody embarassed by this fact so he decided to adopt the British economic system. Two decades or so later China has the world's fastest growing economy. This could have nothing to do with their having adopted a British system now could it? Now why would you adopt a clearly 'imperialist' system? I rest my case. Thank you for your rapt attention. *waves to the commie spies reading this post back in China, then flips them the bird and laughs at their country's dependence upon our natural resources with which we could shut down China's entire economy* Ta chum!
 

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Daz_Hockey said:
indeed....Sandwiches in Britain have just become the new vouge again!!!...

there's about 4 "sandwich" chain's now with at least 4 shops in each town, personally I like a nice Piri-Piri chicken Sandwich from "Bradwell's"...but otherwise..have you tried, what you call a "gyro" yet?....now they are nice, quite fatty though...just returning to the humble sarnie

I thought they had Subways (the sandwich maker, not the tube you twit) in Great Britain??? I could have sworn they did. Subway is the world's largest sandwich chain by far. No one even begins to approach them.
 

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"Yes, yes. No need to be a smartass commie. I had no idea you were in China. I was not paying attention to the names and flags crap. Do calm yourself."

Oh, I never realised the definition of "commie" was "one who lives in China". You never cease to amaze me with your great wisdom.

"I rather enjoyed that little ditty about Hong Kong and the opium trade. Never forget it was never forced upon you."

Huh? Is that not waht both Opium wars were about? The evil Chinese confiscation and destruction of Opium (kind of like what police do in Canada and the US in their war on drugs) is what started the first war. The second war was also caused by another incident of Chinese cracking down on British Opium imports. The Chinese lost both times and had to Give Hong Kong to the British in compensation for their evil deed of trying to protect the Chinese form British opium imports. Heck, even British newspapers of the time were ashamed and critical of what the British were doing in China.

Why? People in China were making too much money. Warlords and the like I believe. We had full permission of the Emperor/Empress.

Without adoubt. but without British backing, the government would eventually have been able to crush them. Unfortunately, after the first opium war, the Chinese had to sign an agreement opening all trade to British opium without restricitons. The second opium war was caused by a Chinese breach of the agreement around guangdong where opium addiction was spreading like wildfire at the time. So yes the emperor agreed, but against China's choice; the British had served the Chinese a humiliating defeat.

I think you need to do a little more research on the facts of the opium wars. The fact that the British were militarily victorious both times does not mean they had won any moral victory. Morally what the British did was shameful. Heck, even some british were ashamed of their victory.

Do you not find it strange that for a century little Hong Kong was wealthier than gigantic China?

First off, you should say "the rest of China". Secondly, remember that China got ransacked twice by the British. Then the US, Germany Russia and Japan came in to get a piece of the action. Then Japan came again to set up Manchuria. Finally, the Chinese being ABSOLUTELY SICK AND TIRED of foreign intervention thought, correctly or not, that they had found their saviour in the Communist party, whose main point of propaganda at the time was to free China from foreign intervention. As if that wasn't enough, when the Guomindang still had a chance of winning, the US came in to provide them with weapons, clothing and so on. The CCP immediately seized upon that for propaganda purposes, portraying the Guomindang as sell-outs bought by US interests. From that point forward, even the Guomindang started providing a steady supply of turncoats to the communists so much that propaganda program was so effective. Strange, US help ended up being the sword that killed the Guomindang for good. Had the US known the sentiment of the time, it would have given the help to the CCP instead and then let everyone know about it should the CCP accept it.

So after all that ransacking followed by division with taiwan, the cold war, fallout with Russia and India, worldwide economic sanctions, ending up with a final spasm with the Cultural Revolution, China was left in a complete mess. I'm sure China needed awhile to recover from rampant opium addiction nationwide too.

As for Hong Kong, it escaped unscathed from the US sanctions, the fallout with the USSR and India, etc. So yes, Hong Kong was lucky, and developped under the sweat of the Hong Kong people without harassement from the British or US, etc. free to open their markets to the world. The people on the mainland had no such opportunity as they suffered through US and world sanctions which finally pushed it over the edge, the straw which broke the camel's back if you will after over a centurly or ransacking, and culminated in teh Cultural Revolution which destryed whatever was left of an already tottering society squashed under sanctions. And it collapsed and finally had to rebuild itself from scratch. I'm sure Hong Kong would have gone through the same thing had its economy been blockaded by the British and US.


Could this have anything to do with British rule? Why yes I think it does.

Of course it does! The British never sanctionned Hong Kong!

Deng Xiaoping was bloody embarassed by this fact so he decided to adopt the British economic system.

Yes, Deng Xiaoping wanted to move towards a capitalistic system without a doubt, and the timing was right. The US was looking for new markets a the time, and so Noxon came into the scene. Finally, China was slowly to see the sacntins which so crippled it coming to an end, as the process continues today, so that it can enjoy the same freedom Hong Kong had always had.

Two decades or so later China has the world's fastest growing economy.

Of course! If someone should hold your head under waterfor awhile, you'll be gasping deeply for air too when you finally come up. China has been suppressed, one way or another, since the Opium Wars. This is the first time in over a century that it has finally had a chance to come up for air. And before you blame the communists, don't forget that the communists are a british and US creation. Had it not been for the Opium wars, the Chinese would never have thirsted for communism in the first place. And had the US never intervened to help the Guomindang, the people might not have turned their backs on it so quickly (that last point is less certain, but US help certainly hammered in the last nail of hope).

This could have nothing to do with their having adopted a British system now could it?

Smith, in his Wealth of Nations, wrote about capitalism. How can all the british take the credit for one man's work? go out and write your own book, will you.

Now why would you adopt a clearly 'imperialist' system?

Capitalism is not necessarily imperialist. Imposed Opium trade is!

I rest my case.

What case?

Thank you for your rapt attention. *waves to the commie spies reading this post back in China, then flips them the bird and laughs at their country's dependence upon our natural resources with which we could shut down China's entire economy* Ta chum!

Like it or not, China is now Iran's biggest oil purchaser. And Russia is selling lots of it too. Needless to say in future China will turn more to Arabia than it will to the US with its depleted resources. But I suppose China will do well to maintain good relations with Canada too I suppose.
 

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Done like a grill cheese sandwich. Fresh whole grain bread, thin layer of apricot jam, brie cheese and thin slices of sweet onion. Grill in cast iron pan until golden brown. Ummmm!
 

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Machjo said:
"Yes, yes. No need to be a smartass commie. I had no idea you were in China. I was not paying attention to the names and flags crap. Do calm yourself."

Oh, I never realised the definition of "commie" was "one who lives in China". You never cease to amaze me with your great wisdom.

"I rather enjoyed that little ditty about Hong Kong and the opium trade. Never forget it was never forced upon you."

Huh? Is that not waht both Opium wars were about? The evil Chinese confiscation and destruction of Opium (kind of like what police do in Canada and the US in their war on drugs) is what started the first war. The second war was also caused by another incident of Chinese cracking down on British Opium imports. The Chinese lost both times and had to Give Hong Kong to the British in compensation for their evil deed of trying to protect the Chinese form British opium imports. Heck, even British newspapers of the time were ashamed and critical of what the British were doing in China.

Why? People in China were making too much money. Warlords and the like I believe. We had full permission of the Emperor/Empress.

Without adoubt. but without British backing, the government would eventually have been able to crush them. Unfortunately, after the first opium war, the Chinese had to sign an agreement opening all trade to British opium without restricitons. The second opium war was caused by a Chinese breach of the agreement around guangdong where opium addiction was spreading like wildfire at the time. So yes the emperor agreed, but against China's choice; the British had served the Chinese a humiliating defeat.

I think you need to do a little more research on the facts of the opium wars. The fact that the British were militarily victorious both times does not mean they had won any moral victory. Morally what the British did was shameful. Heck, even some british were ashamed of their victory.

Do you not find it strange that for a century little Hong Kong was wealthier than gigantic China?

First off, you should say "the rest of China". Secondly, remember that China got ransacked twice by the British. Then the US, Germany Russia and Japan came in to get a piece of the action. Then Japan came again to set up Manchuria. Finally, the Chinese being ABSOLUTELY SICK AND TIRED of foreign intervention thought, correctly or not, that they had found their saviour in the Communist party, whose main point of propaganda at the time was to free China from foreign intervention. As if that wasn't enough, when the Guomindang still had a chance of winning, the US came in to provide them with weapons, clothing and so on. The CCP immediately seized upon that for propaganda purposes, portraying the Guomindang as sell-outs bought by US interests. From that point forward, even the Guomindang started providing a steady supply of turncoats to the communists so much that propaganda program was so effective. Strange, US help ended up being the sword that killed the Guomindang for good. Had the US known the sentiment of the time, it would have given the help to the CCP instead and then let everyone know about it should the CCP accept it.

So after all that ransacking followed by division with taiwan, the cold war, fallout with Russia and India, worldwide economic sanctions, ending up with a final spasm with the Cultural Revolution, China was left in a complete mess. I'm sure China needed awhile to recover from rampant opium addiction nationwide too.

As for Hong Kong, it escaped unscathed from the US sanctions, the fallout with the USSR and India, etc. So yes, Hong Kong was lucky, and developped under the sweat of the Hong Kong people without harassement from the British or US, etc. free to open their markets to the world. The people on the mainland had no such opportunity as they suffered through US and world sanctions which finally pushed it over the edge, the straw which broke the camel's back if you will after over a centurly or ransacking, and culminated in teh Cultural Revolution which destryed whatever was left of an already tottering society squashed under sanctions. And it collapsed and finally had to rebuild itself from scratch. I'm sure Hong Kong would have gone through the same thing had its economy been blockaded by the British and US.


Could this have anything to do with British rule? Why yes I think it does.

Of course it does! The British never sanctionned Hong Kong!

Deng Xiaoping was bloody embarassed by this fact so he decided to adopt the British economic system.

Yes, Deng Xiaoping wanted to move towards a capitalistic system without a doubt, and the timing was right. The US was looking for new markets a the time, and so Noxon came into the scene. Finally, China was slowly to see the sacntins which so crippled it coming to an end, as the process continues today, so that it can enjoy the same freedom Hong Kong had always had.

Two decades or so later China has the world's fastest growing economy.

Of course! If someone should hold your head under waterfor awhile, you'll be gasping deeply for air too when you finally come up. China has been suppressed, one way or another, since the Opium Wars. This is the first time in over a century that it has finally had a chance to come up for air. And before you blame the communists, don't forget that the communists are a british and US creation. Had it not been for the Opium wars, the Chinese would never have thirsted for communism in the first place. And had the US never intervened to help the Guomindang, the people might not have turned their backs on it so quickly (that last point is less certain, but US help certainly hammered in the last nail of hope).

This could have nothing to do with their having adopted a British system now could it?

Smith, in his Wealth of Nations, wrote about capitalism. How can all the british take the credit for one man's work? go out and write your own book, will you.

Now why would you adopt a clearly 'imperialist' system?

Capitalism is not necessarily imperialist. Imposed Opium trade is!

I rest my case.

What case?

Thank you for your rapt attention. *waves to the commie spies reading this post back in China, then flips them the bird and laughs at their country's dependence upon our natural resources with which we could shut down China's entire economy* Ta chum!

Like it or not, China is now Iran's biggest oil purchaser. And Russia is selling lots of it too. Needless to say in future China will turn more to Arabia than it will to the US with its depleted resources. But I suppose China will do well to maintain good relations with Canada too I suppose.

Not this again. Blame the foreign devil. The Gaijin if you will. You cannot keep your own house in order so you blame the white man. Same old same old. No mention of the chaos wrought by your own warlords which the Kuomintang destroyed for you and it was Chiang Kai-Shek who unified China, not the communist party. Never forget that.
 

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"Not this again."
Hmmm. Let's me get this straight. It's OK for you to through out comments such as:

"No need to be a smartass commie." when I'm not a commie, yet I'm not to correct your false claim about me?

"Blame the foreign devil."

Sorry, but I totally disagree with your opinion here. Yes, it's true that foreing powers have had a profound impact on China's development in the last century and a half, but it's equally true that the Chinese must take responsibility for their actions too. Granted, China fell beind initially while licking its wounds for a few generations. And then it's development stalled through sanctions. But I think now that the rest of the world is finally opening up to China, China ought to forgive (though not necessarily forget) and forege a new friendship with the world at large.

The Gaijin if you will. You cannot keep your own house in order so you blame the white man.

I can keep my own house in order, thank you very much. But now as far as China is concerned, your comment goes both ways. The British had no business storming the house and sacking it... twice, thank you very much. And then the Japanese, Russians, Germans and French came in to sack it again. So yes, a point is reached at which it will take awhile to fix the damage. but no worries, the damage is being repared slowly but surely. by the way, last I checked, I ws caucasian. but again, I'll check in the mirror tomorrow morning to to ensure things haven't changed on that front.

" Same old same old. No mention of the chaos wrought by your own warlords which the Kuomintang destroyed for you and it was Chiang Kai-Shek who unified China, not the communist party. Never forget that."

Thank you for acknowledging that warlords caused chaos too. And that's precisely why I disagree with you on the idea that we should just blame the foreing devil. And what the guomindang did to help China is much appreciated; China needed all the help it could get to bring China under control, considering the overwhelming odds against China. And as for who united China, no one man could have done that.
 

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SaintLucifer said:
Daz_Hockey said:
indeed....Sandwiches in Britain have just become the new vouge again!!!...

there's about 4 "sandwich" chain's now with at least 4 shops in each town, personally I like a nice Piri-Piri chicken Sandwich from "Bradwell's"...but otherwise..have you tried, what you call a "gyro" yet?....now they are nice, quite fatty though...just returning to the humble sarnie

I thought they had Subways (the sandwich maker, not the tube you twit) in Great Britain??? I could have sworn they did. Subway is the world's largest sandwich chain by far. No one even begins to approach them.

Monkey, of course Subway is big, hardly what I'd call a "sarnie" or "Sandwich" though....you've got 3 Cooks, Brakers, Bradwell's and the most popular one I forget...but I wouldnt call a Subway a Sandwich, it's more of a roll........and of course I know who Subway are, or rather Doctor's Associates...which is a canadian company who own them