Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
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RE: Belinda Stronach appo
The vote was not a confidence vote, it was an order to committee. The committee can reject it if they want and since the Liberals and NDP control the committee, they will.
Since you're so interested in democracy though, Jay...the Liberals and NDP have a higher percentage of the popular vote than the CPC and Bloc do.
I guess now that Stronach has crossed the floor, they have even more of the popular vote.
The vote was not a confidence vote, it was an order to committee. The committee can reject it if they want and since the Liberals and NDP control the committee, they will.
Since you're so interested in democracy though, Jay...the Liberals and NDP have a higher percentage of the popular vote than the CPC and Bloc do.
I guess now that Stronach has crossed the floor, they have even more of the popular vote.
Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo
I know that it isn't a confidence vote, but to use that as a reason to hold onto power is lame at least.
I wouldn't say though the Liberals have more of the popular vote, because Belinda's voters didn't put in a liberal, they voted conservative. We need to have an election to sort these things out.
I know that it isn't a confidence vote, but to use that as a reason to hold onto power is lame at least.
I wouldn't say though the Liberals have more of the popular vote, because Belinda's voters didn't put in a liberal, they voted conservative. We need to have an election to sort these things out.
Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
Jay, doesn't it make any impression at all, that a star player in the Conservative ranks, formerly a corporate CEO, decided to make such a radical move? I'd think you'd be at least a little curious why. Until that question is answered, along with the Gomery Inquiry ones... the country will not disappear in a puff of smoke if we have an election in the Fall, let's say, instead of next month.
Were you really that anxious to stand in line, in a stifling polling station, in June? I don't think record low voter turnouts, leading to yet another minority vote, would have solved anything anyway.
Jay said:
Jay, doesn't it make any impression at all, that a star player in the Conservative ranks, formerly a corporate CEO, decided to make such a radical move? I'd think you'd be at least a little curious why. Until that question is answered, along with the Gomery Inquiry ones... the country will not disappear in a puff of smoke if we have an election in the Fall, let's say, instead of next month.
Were you really that anxious to stand in line, in a stifling polling station, in June? I don't think record low voter turnouts, leading to yet another minority vote, would have solved anything anyway.
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
They had more of the popular vote before she crossed too, Jay. Most of that is because the NDP is the only party that gets more of the popular vote than seats, but what the hell?
The rules in the House are clear. The only thing that can bring down a government is a confidence vote. For that to take place it either has to be a money bill, or the PM has to declare it to be a matter of confidence.
Martin agreed to hold two such votes on Thursday. If they pass, then the House has expressed confidence in the government.
You lose, bud. Our money will spent on us instead of the corporate paymasters of the Conservative party.
They had more of the popular vote before she crossed too, Jay. Most of that is because the NDP is the only party that gets more of the popular vote than seats, but what the hell?
The rules in the House are clear. The only thing that can bring down a government is a confidence vote. For that to take place it either has to be a money bill, or the PM has to declare it to be a matter of confidence.
Martin agreed to hold two such votes on Thursday. If they pass, then the House has expressed confidence in the government.
You lose, bud. Our money will spent on us instead of the corporate paymasters of the Conservative party.
snoproblem said:
I think I already know why she did it.
I don't believe a Democracy is run on petty arguments like "it's to hot in June". If we need to run an election than that’s the way it goes. I didn't want to go to the polls the last time either, but we did.
Also when I vote, I head down to the local public school which is a three minute walk from my house, and I have never stood in a line for more than 5 minutes.
I don't think that voting in another minority government is a bad thing. This is the political climate of the country right now, and I respect that. I want another mandate to be issued, as I don't believe this government has one, and the house has no faith in the government. Another election would solve that problem, and the bickering problem we face.
She's a politician and she's made no noises about quitting. That leaves only one reason why she'd do such a thing...she thinks it's her best shot at getting re-elected.
Stronach has always been more of a Progressive Conservative than a Harperite anyway. She doesn't hate people because of their sexual preference or skin colour. Paul Martin has always been more of a Progressive Conservative than a Liberal. About the only reason I can see for him being in the Liberal party is that his father was. Paul Jr. is not nearly the man that Paul Sr. was though.
Now that I think about it, I'm surprised that Belinda didn't cross the floor earlier.
Are you aware that during the last election when people were mumbling about a Conservative minority, Harper said that the only thing he would consider a confidence vote would be a money bill?
Reverend Blair said:
If that's true, it sounds like Stronach had herself a personal 'non-confidence vote'...against Stephen Harper.
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
Given her statement on the radio, I have to say that's exactly what happened, sno.
Given her statement on the radio, I have to say that's exactly what happened, sno.
Reverend Blair said:
So? That’s his prerogative.
It wasn't a confidence vote as you pointed out, but it still passed, and the liberals should step down, even if only to get re-elected.
I would say the same thing if the conservatives were faced with the same results. This isn't a partisan issue.
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
But according to Harper's own words, he wouldn't step down in the same circumstances. Either he was lying then or he's being extremly hypocritical now.
But according to Harper's own words, he wouldn't step down in the same circumstances. Either he was lying then or he's being extremly hypocritical now.
I don't doubt that Belinda has ulterior motives. But I applaud her for crossing the floor. Lets pass the budget and get on with business.
Harper talks about economic damage caused by the instability in government. More damage would be done if the budget fails to pass, elections are held and another minority government emerges.If you were a foreign investor, would that scenario make you comfortable? Canadians elected a minority government and those sitting in the house should WORK TOGETHER in the best interests of the country.
Stephen Harper is out of touch with what most of us want, and this could bring on more defections. As I suspected, there isn't much unity in the new Conservative Party. Otherwise, they would have emerged from their policy convention with a party platform. Were they hoping to wing it through another campaign without putting their policy in writing? The Conservative Party still appears to be an unlikely alliance of old PC's and Reform wing nuts.
As I have said before, I don't support any of the parties. I think they are all a different shades of the same colour. But we have to work with what we have. There are so many important issues that affect us all, and these have been but on the back burner so that the politicians can argue over things that don't matter. Are the Liberals guilty of corruption? Hell yes! But the enquiry should run it's course and then we shall see. Meantime, lets get on with business. The instability Harper refers to is caused by his refusal to put his own political ambitions aside and do what is best for the country.
Harper talks about economic damage caused by the instability in government. More damage would be done if the budget fails to pass, elections are held and another minority government emerges.If you were a foreign investor, would that scenario make you comfortable? Canadians elected a minority government and those sitting in the house should WORK TOGETHER in the best interests of the country.
Stephen Harper is out of touch with what most of us want, and this could bring on more defections. As I suspected, there isn't much unity in the new Conservative Party. Otherwise, they would have emerged from their policy convention with a party platform. Were they hoping to wing it through another campaign without putting their policy in writing? The Conservative Party still appears to be an unlikely alliance of old PC's and Reform wing nuts.
As I have said before, I don't support any of the parties. I think they are all a different shades of the same colour. But we have to work with what we have. There are so many important issues that affect us all, and these have been but on the back burner so that the politicians can argue over things that don't matter. Are the Liberals guilty of corruption? Hell yes! But the enquiry should run it's course and then we shall see. Meantime, lets get on with business. The instability Harper refers to is caused by his refusal to put his own political ambitions aside and do what is best for the country.
Canadian politics are a scam while they put on this dog and pony show they pass laws that merge are military with the US pass laws that take our rights away ,.You guys think were free here ? This is all a grand illusion by design fellas