If Israel truly desires peace (which they do), the current cycle of provocation, (over)reaction, and repeat is not helping. There needs to be some pragmatic thinking, and the political will to stand up to the domestic pressures demanding an immediate response. Don't kid yourself, this battle is also playing out in the court of world opinion. Israel should keep it that in mind.
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If Israel truly desires peace (which they do), the current cycle of provocation, (over)reaction, and repeat is not helping. There needs to be some pragmatic thinking, and the political will to stand up to the domestic pressures demanding an immediate response. Don't kid yourself, this battle is also playing out in the court of world opinion. Israel should keep it that in mind.
Bush has repeatedly said, and the news has quoted him as if he has spoken with authority, that Syria has pushed Hezbollah into "invading" Israel. But, as with Bush's claims of Iraqi WMD, no proof has been presented to the UN to prove that Syria has fomented any such conflicts. Why would Sunni Syria goad Shiia Hezbollah when the two Islamic factions are in conflict? In other talks, Bush and his minions have alleged that it is Iran that has goaded Hezbollah. But again, where is the proof? Why has it not been presented before the UN or the World Court?
Why does the world sit back and allow such allegations to be made (as it did with the WMD lies) without demanding the presentation of even the slightest evidence????
Why does the world sit back and allow such allegations to be made (as it did with the WMD lies) without demanding the presentation of even the slightest evidence????
gopher said:
The last time I checked there were no terrorists in the US democracy. Quit making ridiculous statements.
gopher said:
You would ask the US and ISRAEL to reveal their intelligence sources? You wish to see CIA and MOSSAD agents killed en masse? If you support Hamas and Hezbollah, why are you even in my country? I would ask that you leave immediately.
RE: Barbarians wants to d
you that afraid of questions you have to shout them down with nonsense?
The funding for Hezbollah is an open secret. Syrian support tends to be spotty and more a matter on convenience than principle. At times they have been enemies, at other times Syria has found them to be a useful enemy against Israel.
Personally I think that these days Syria would be more interested in maintaining what commercial grip they still have on Lebanon than upsetting the apple cart.
If anything, Hezbollah is Iran's puppet, not Syria's, and the marionette only has control of the purse strings, not the trigger fingers. Mind you if the IRI government is still in the business I can't see them saying "no" to the next installment with all the aggrevation this is causing the US.
you that afraid of questions you have to shout them down with nonsense?
The funding for Hezbollah is an open secret. Syrian support tends to be spotty and more a matter on convenience than principle. At times they have been enemies, at other times Syria has found them to be a useful enemy against Israel.
Personally I think that these days Syria would be more interested in maintaining what commercial grip they still have on Lebanon than upsetting the apple cart.
If anything, Hezbollah is Iran's puppet, not Syria's, and the marionette only has control of the purse strings, not the trigger fingers. Mind you if the IRI government is still in the business I can't see them saying "no" to the next installment with all the aggrevation this is causing the US.
Re: RE: Barbarians wants to d
I am asking you again, are there any terrorists within the US democratic system?
BitWhys said:
I am asking you again, are there any terrorists within the US democratic system?
Kreskin said:
Oh My God!
Can you even imagine the vast CIA- inspired, Mossad- activated, world-wide conspiracy that Aeon has now created in his head, and that he undoubtedly believes was instigated just to SHUT HIM UP! (vast empty spaces are often found to actually contain unstable phenomena)
He will be insufferable when, and if, he returns!
The Truth is OUT THERE!
Conservative Republican Pat Buchanan also believes that the Israeli invasion of Lebanon is barbaric:
www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=9328
July 19, 2006
Where Are Bush's Critics Now?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed.
First came capitulation on the Bush Doctrine, as Pyongyang and Tehran defied Bush's dictum: The world's worst regimes will not be allowed to acquire the world's worst weapons. Then came suspension of the democracy crusade as Islamic militants exploited free elections to advance to power and office in Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, Iraq, and Iran.
Now Israel's rampage against a defenseless Lebanon – smashing airport runways, fuel tanks, power plants, gas stations, lighthouses, bridges, roads, and the occasional refugee convoy – has exposed Bush's folly in subcontracting U.S. policy out to Tel Aviv, thus making Israel the custodian of our reputation and interests in the Middle East.
The Lebanon that Israel, with Bush's blessing, is smashing up has a pro-American government, heretofore considered a shining example of his democracy crusade. Yet, asked in St. Petersburg if he would urge Israel to use restraint in its air strikes, Bush sounded less like the leader of the Free World than some bellicose city councilman from Brooklyn Heights.
What Israel is up to was described by its Army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz when he threatened to "turn back the clock in Lebanon 20 years."
Olmert seized upon Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers to unleash the IDF in a pre-planned attack to make the Lebanese people suffer until the Lebanese government disarms Hezbollah, a task the Israeli army could not accomplish in 18 years of occupation.
Israel is doing the same to the Palestinians. To punish these people for the crime of electing Hamas, Olmert imposed an economic blockade of Gaza and the West Bank and withheld the $50 million in monthly tax and customs receipts due the Palestinians.
Then, Israel instructed the United States to terminate all aid to the Palestinian Authority, though Bush himself had called for the elections and for the participation of Hamas. Our Crawford cowboy meekly complied.
The predictable result: Fatah and Hamas fell to fratricidal fighting, and Hamas militants began launching Qassam rockets over the fence from Gaza into Israel. Hamas then tunneled into Israel, killed two soldiers, captured one, took him back into Gaza, and demanded a prisoner exchange.
Israel's response was to abduct half of the Palestinian cabinet and parliament and blow up a $50 million U.S.-insured power plant. That cut off electricity for half a million Palestinians. Their food spoiled, their water could not be purified, and their families sweltered in the summer heat of the Gaza desert. One family of seven was wiped out on a beach by what the IDF assures us was an errant artillery shell.
Let it be said: Israel has a right to defend herself, a right to counterattack against Hezbollah and Hamas, a right to clean out bases from which Katyusha or Qassam rockets are being fired, and a right to occupy land from which attacks are mounted on her people.
But what Israel is doing is imposing deliberate suffering on civilians, collective punishment on innocent people, to force them to do something they are powerless to do: disarm the gunmen among them. Such a policy violates international law and comports neither with our values nor our interests. It is un-American and un-Christian.
But where are the Christians? Why is Pope Benedict virtually alone among Christian leaders to have spoken out against what is being done to Lebanese Christians and Muslims?
When al-Qaeda captured two U.S. soldiers and barbarically butchered them, the U.S. Army did not smash power plants across the Sunni Triangle. Why then is Bush not only silent but openly supportive when Israelis do this?
Democrats attack Bush for crimes of which he is not guilty, including Haditha and Abu Ghraib. Why are they, too, silent when Israel pursues a conscious policy of collective punishment of innocent peoples?
Britain's diplomatic goal in two world wars was to bring the naive cousins in, to "pull their chestnuts out of the fire." Israel and her paid and pro-bono agents here appear determined to expand the Iraq war into Syria and Iran, and have America fight and finish all of Israel's enemies.
That Tel Aviv is maneuvering us to fight its wars is understandable. That Americans are ignorant of, or complicit in this, is deplorable.
Already, Bush is ranting about Syria being behind the Hezbollah capture of the Israeli soldiers. But where is the proof?
Who is whispering in his ear? The same people who told him Iraq was maybe months away from an atom bomb, that an invasion would be a "cakewalk," that he would be Churchill, that U.S. troops would be greeted with candy and flowers, that democracy would break out across the region, that Palestinians and Israelis would then sit down and make peace?
How much must America pay for the education of this man?
BTW, for those who don't know it, Buchanan is a CONSERVATIVE. A Republican CONSERVATIVE.
www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=9328
July 19, 2006
Where Are Bush's Critics Now?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed.
First came capitulation on the Bush Doctrine, as Pyongyang and Tehran defied Bush's dictum: The world's worst regimes will not be allowed to acquire the world's worst weapons. Then came suspension of the democracy crusade as Islamic militants exploited free elections to advance to power and office in Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, Iraq, and Iran.
Now Israel's rampage against a defenseless Lebanon – smashing airport runways, fuel tanks, power plants, gas stations, lighthouses, bridges, roads, and the occasional refugee convoy – has exposed Bush's folly in subcontracting U.S. policy out to Tel Aviv, thus making Israel the custodian of our reputation and interests in the Middle East.
The Lebanon that Israel, with Bush's blessing, is smashing up has a pro-American government, heretofore considered a shining example of his democracy crusade. Yet, asked in St. Petersburg if he would urge Israel to use restraint in its air strikes, Bush sounded less like the leader of the Free World than some bellicose city councilman from Brooklyn Heights.
What Israel is up to was described by its Army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz when he threatened to "turn back the clock in Lebanon 20 years."
Olmert seized upon Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers to unleash the IDF in a pre-planned attack to make the Lebanese people suffer until the Lebanese government disarms Hezbollah, a task the Israeli army could not accomplish in 18 years of occupation.
Israel is doing the same to the Palestinians. To punish these people for the crime of electing Hamas, Olmert imposed an economic blockade of Gaza and the West Bank and withheld the $50 million in monthly tax and customs receipts due the Palestinians.
Then, Israel instructed the United States to terminate all aid to the Palestinian Authority, though Bush himself had called for the elections and for the participation of Hamas. Our Crawford cowboy meekly complied.
The predictable result: Fatah and Hamas fell to fratricidal fighting, and Hamas militants began launching Qassam rockets over the fence from Gaza into Israel. Hamas then tunneled into Israel, killed two soldiers, captured one, took him back into Gaza, and demanded a prisoner exchange.
Israel's response was to abduct half of the Palestinian cabinet and parliament and blow up a $50 million U.S.-insured power plant. That cut off electricity for half a million Palestinians. Their food spoiled, their water could not be purified, and their families sweltered in the summer heat of the Gaza desert. One family of seven was wiped out on a beach by what the IDF assures us was an errant artillery shell.
Let it be said: Israel has a right to defend herself, a right to counterattack against Hezbollah and Hamas, a right to clean out bases from which Katyusha or Qassam rockets are being fired, and a right to occupy land from which attacks are mounted on her people.
But what Israel is doing is imposing deliberate suffering on civilians, collective punishment on innocent people, to force them to do something they are powerless to do: disarm the gunmen among them. Such a policy violates international law and comports neither with our values nor our interests. It is un-American and un-Christian.
But where are the Christians? Why is Pope Benedict virtually alone among Christian leaders to have spoken out against what is being done to Lebanese Christians and Muslims?
When al-Qaeda captured two U.S. soldiers and barbarically butchered them, the U.S. Army did not smash power plants across the Sunni Triangle. Why then is Bush not only silent but openly supportive when Israelis do this?
Democrats attack Bush for crimes of which he is not guilty, including Haditha and Abu Ghraib. Why are they, too, silent when Israel pursues a conscious policy of collective punishment of innocent peoples?
Britain's diplomatic goal in two world wars was to bring the naive cousins in, to "pull their chestnuts out of the fire." Israel and her paid and pro-bono agents here appear determined to expand the Iraq war into Syria and Iran, and have America fight and finish all of Israel's enemies.
That Tel Aviv is maneuvering us to fight its wars is understandable. That Americans are ignorant of, or complicit in this, is deplorable.
Already, Bush is ranting about Syria being behind the Hezbollah capture of the Israeli soldiers. But where is the proof?
Who is whispering in his ear? The same people who told him Iraq was maybe months away from an atom bomb, that an invasion would be a "cakewalk," that he would be Churchill, that U.S. troops would be greeted with candy and flowers, that democracy would break out across the region, that Palestinians and Israelis would then sit down and make peace?
How much must America pay for the education of this man?
BTW, for those who don't know it, Buchanan is a CONSERVATIVE. A Republican CONSERVATIVE.
SaintLucifer said:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...invasion&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Invasion? :roll:
Now plz guys...This is way too much, Israel have crossed all red lines..have used weapons banned internationally....someone needs to stop the violence...half a million lebanese are on the streets with nowhere to go...nothing to eat...no shelter..someone needs to explain this to me ..I wrote a letter to the PM...the war machine needs to stop...why did Israel Bomb the hell out of downtown Beirut yesterday (ashrafiyeh) where we have all the foreigners ...where we have the Gucci and Prada stores not hizbollah's tanks? why is no one able to pressure its machine to stop the killing of the Lebanese army whom four days ago was on its side at heart?
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?ed...ticle_id=74075..
why are they targeting the convoys of milk and medicine?
where is the sense of proportion in the world community? does the world have any decency left? why is the world failing big time this time? why day after another the US is showing its ultimate stupidity in the ME? Lebanon didn't make Iran stronger...didn't create the evil of Iran ...why doesn't someone tell AhmadiNejad to shut up ...statements like" hezbollah will not be disarmed"does not help this catastrophe....Lebanon never threatened to wipe Israel off the map...but Israel is wiping Lebanon off the map....
It is not a matter of being left or right wing ...it is a matter of solidarity with humanity...It's a matter of imbalance in this freaky world ...I was born in 1976 and I've lived three wars in Lebanon that my country didn't cause ...I've always voted conservative but what is happening is telling me not to ever vote again...There is desperate need for food, water, blankets, blood, medicine...where is what is called the UN? I really respect everyone's eyes; therefore I will NOT post any pictures...but what i see is very graphic...what I see is worst than Iraq...If we don't stop this we will all feel its effects one day...
Sorry for my emotional post...I just have a family back home that might pay a huge price for hezbollah reckless actions
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?ed...ticle_id=74075..
why are they targeting the convoys of milk and medicine?
where is the sense of proportion in the world community? does the world have any decency left? why is the world failing big time this time? why day after another the US is showing its ultimate stupidity in the ME? Lebanon didn't make Iran stronger...didn't create the evil of Iran ...why doesn't someone tell AhmadiNejad to shut up ...statements like" hezbollah will not be disarmed"does not help this catastrophe....Lebanon never threatened to wipe Israel off the map...but Israel is wiping Lebanon off the map....
It is not a matter of being left or right wing ...it is a matter of solidarity with humanity...It's a matter of imbalance in this freaky world ...I was born in 1976 and I've lived three wars in Lebanon that my country didn't cause ...I've always voted conservative but what is happening is telling me not to ever vote again...There is desperate need for food, water, blankets, blood, medicine...where is what is called the UN? I really respect everyone's eyes; therefore I will NOT post any pictures...but what i see is very graphic...what I see is worst than Iraq...If we don't stop this we will all feel its effects one day...
Sorry for my emotional post...I just have a family back home that might pay a huge price for hezbollah reckless actions
I think not said:
Here a picture for Aeon in case he didn't understand
This about sums up Hamas, and Hezbollah's warfighting doctrine...
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