B.C. Supreme Court upholds ban on polygamy

[karrie]

Social workers can now dig harder and deeper to help end this nonsense to find out the facts.

tall: polygamy is bad, the sooner these terrible communities are busted up the better. They lack freedom and choice for the individuals involved, especially young people. It's just another form of slavery under the guise of religion.

If they stop having plural marriages in Bountiful, will that cure the issue?

yes I know, that is what karrie mentioned too.

thats a tough one, but life isn't perfect is it, so many left out of society in many walks of life, and if people choose to
live a life of polygamy, they chose that route, 'just don't choose that route'.

would love to be a fly on the wall over the years as polygamist families go thru that swinging door to
claim child support etc., and as the young wives become older, out they go, get new ones, and the mess
continues, the man can live his whole life, going thru many women, discard them when they are not 'cool'
anymore, (got an eye on a new one now), it would be very sad.

I can't support that.

A man who's going to engage in that kind of behaviour will. Scum is scum talloola. They'll just divorce the old crone and marry the new girl. Removing the right to plural marriage doesn't erase scum-baggery. But denying a loving plural group, that isn't about control and cult ideals, the rights of a marriage, based on what some scumbags do, isn't right.

 

[talloola]

If they stop having plural marriages in Bountiful, will that cure the issue?



A man who's going to engage in that kind of behaviour will. Scum is scum talloola. They'll just divorce the old crone and marry the new girl. Removing the right to plural marriage doesn't erase scum-baggery. But denying a loving plural group, that isn't about control and cult ideals, the rights of a marriage, based on what some scumbags do, isn't right.

I agree partially, scum is scum. I don't believe the very small percentage of 'loving' polygamist
marriages would ever make up enough numbers to actually necessitate it becoming law.

I believe that one man with many wives is a degradation of women, even if they don't think so at the
time.
Using the word 'love' to make it OK just doesn't do it for me, there is too much baggage behind the
scenes in the 'real' everyday lives of such women, I just can't get my head around the idea.
My vision of such arrangements would contain an alpha female, then down the line with different types
who all 'need' either shelter, comfort, control by the male and alpha female, a situation of belonging,
because of lack of self, eg. can't advance alone, a true follower, very sexually attractive women, (for
awhile) till they get fed up, a bit of a classroom situation, and jealousy.

I think any modern woman, intelligent, who wants to be a contributing citizen of the country, would not
allow herself to be caught up in such an arrangement, as that would create all of the things she would
'not' want.

Of course there is scum anywhere, but in my mind two wrongs don't make a right.

sure all of the problems in any marriage, would be in those marriages, multiplied by many all at the
same time.
One problem would be multiplied because of all of the people involved in each
other's business.

For me it isn't a moral problem, I don't view people that way, i'm not religious, not bound by narrow
rules, i'm very open actually, but I don't want to see women being caught up in a controlling situation,
would rather see them learn how to be an individual in the world, self contained and equal, there is
no equality in polygamy.

I guess if one looks at many animals, and wants to behave and live like them, a herd of females with
one male ruling over them, impregnating them, and fighting off other males, and one thinks that is
for them, then go for it.

I guess if one rounded up a group of women who are wandering in life, lonely, needy, low self esteem,
and created a polygamist group, that could make them happier, but what man would want a group like
that, except one who would also send away to some third world country because he wants servants and
sexual arrangements, and that kind of man is very undesireable eventually when all of his servants
'wake' up and smell the coffee.

 

[TenPenny]

What if a woman had several husbands?

Why is everything you just wrote about one man with several wives?

 

[Vaessen]

Meh. If people are dumb enough to want to be a sister wife, let them. They're likely better off in that situation. do you want one of these imbeciles working in society productively? I don't. There's enough idiots in the world anyways, the more that are convinced to stay at home and be good little baby producing sister wives the better.

If you took the combined IQ of the wives in polygamist homes it would equal roughly the same IQ as a normal wife anyways.

 

[talloola]

Meh. If people are dumb enough to want to be a sister wife, let them. They're likely better off in that situation. do you want one of these imbeciles working in society productively? I don't. There's enough idiots in the world anyways, the more that are convinced to stay at home and be good little baby producing sister wives the better.

If you took the combined IQ of the wives in polygamist homes it would equal roughly the same IQ as a normal wife anyways.

thats a ridiculous analogy.

young women, girls are people, individuals, capable of learning if given the chance, the weaker types just
don't know what their potential could be, they don't need a polygamist situation, they need counselling
and individual help to show them the way, for themselves as individuals, then they can make their own
choices in life.

women have come a long way, and must continue to do progress as individuals, and not expect themselves to
automatically be led around by others.
one of the most interesting and exciting things in the life of women is 'when' they fully bloom into
adulthood and can make their own way, 'in' their own way and become what they have dreamed of, 'and' if
that is a wife and mother, they will be better wife and mother with a fully developed character and
self worth, which makes them a better partner and parent.

 

[TenPenny]

Meh. If people are dumb enough to want to be a sister wife, let them. They're likely better off in that situation. do you want one of these imbeciles working in society productively? I don't. There's enough idiots in the world anyways, the more that are convinced to stay at home and be good little baby producing sister wives the better.

If you took the combined IQ of the wives in polygamist homes it would equal roughly the same IQ as a normal wife anyways.

So, a polygamist marriage automatically means one man with several wives, and now being a wife in a polygamist marriage automatically means not working outside the home?

Talk about lack of IQ.

 

[karrie]

talloola, I know your views of what women should want. You view it the way you view what you want. And surprisingly, you and I, for our personal situations, share the same view.

I would not tolerate a second wife. Any other woman who came into my household would have to do so at my mercy, under my boot heel, and it would still be against my wishes. I wouldn't tolerate sharing my husband like that. Thus any woman who he married besides me would need to be, well, a supreme, groveling, beta.

It makes it hard to wrap my brain around sharing a home life, even though I consider myself polyamorous.

But that doesn't mean that's how a household outside of mine ACTUALLY runs. And that doesn't mean I have to view polygamy according to what happens only in Bountiful. There is too much variety in the human condition for me to make that assumption.

What I do know surrounding that Bountiful case though is that a lack of legal recognition isnt going to change the things we hate about Bountiful. It's not going to change the cultism, and it's not going to eradicate the child marriages. What it is going to do is ensure that it all stays hush hush, us against them, and that these women are left with no legal protection. All for the sake of denying them something that isn't the thing we're truly mad about. That just doesn't sit right.

 

[talloola]

talloola, I know your views of what women should want. You view it the way you view what you want. And surprisingly, you and I, for our personal situations, share the same view.

I would not tolerate a second wife. Any other woman who came into my household would have to do so at my mercy, under my boot heel, and it would still be against my wishes. I wouldn't tolerate sharing my husband like that. Thus any woman who he married besides me would need to be, well, a supreme, groveling, beta.

It makes it hard to wrap my brain around sharing a home life, even though I consider myself polyamorous.

But that doesn't mean that's how a household outside of mine ACTUALLY runs. And that doesn't mean I have to view polygamy according to what happens only in Bountiful. There is too much variety in the human condition for me to make that assumption.

What I do know surrounding that Bountiful case though is that a lack of legal recognition isnt going to change the things we hate about Bountiful. It's not going to change the cultism, and it's not going to eradicate the child marriages. What it is going to do is ensure that it all stays hush hush, us against them, and that these women are left with no legal protection. All for the sake of denying them something that isn't the thing we're truly mad about. That just doesn't sit right.

the legal system doesn't seem to know how to handle bountiful, not sure I understand that, because if any
of us, (for lack of a better description) 'on the outside' treated our children like they do, we would be
dealt with pronto.

So, that must be dealt with now, it is child abuse, and if that was cleaned up, the style those 'men', who
are the controllers/leaders of that cult would lose what they need most, young girls who are vulnerable,
and women who have grown from those young girls into brainwashed adults who cherish their children, and
would say or do anything to protect them and keep them there.

If those children had the time to grow into young adult women, perhaps they would be stronger and more
able to refuse the marriages, and the system would start breaking down.

It is polygamy once the women are of age, and we don't even talk about the young boys who are sent out
into the world, (although in reality they are the lucky ones) as they do get out of there.

Maybe someday polygamy will be legal, don't know how and why that would ever happen, because I think it is
only a handful of people who would want to live that way, so in my mind, just live that way.

If they really work it well, they could find a way, (there is always a way it seems) to cheat the
government, and become a common- law household, and as each one leaves, they can go to the courts and
claim what is fair for them, the courts don't have to know there are other wives and children in
the house, if bountiful can deny so much that is obvious, i'm certain a household can do the same.

I cannot see educated young women, who are intelligenht and proud of who they are 'ever' getting themselves
into a situation where they have to share their husband with other wives.

So that leaves the rest of the 'types' of girls/women who would enter into such a life, and just as in
bountiful, once they have their children and a bit of security, and no financial power, they are trapped
in that life, and under the control of the man.

There could be certain females who want the security of the home, someone who will cook their dinner each
day, as they venture out into the workplace, then come home to dinner, but those women are actually taking
advantage of those who are at home, and cannot do the same, and have no power at all.

The women at home would become the housekeepers, babysitters, cooks etc.

 

[TenPenny]

There could be women that want multiple husbands, too. One could be mowing the lawn, while the other is cooking the meals.

 

[karrie]

I can't help but think that your assertions that school learning would preclude someone from choosing that life are flawed. I don't think IQ has anything to do with it, I think emotional styles are the determining factors, and they have nothing to do with IQ. Like you said, what would stop a woman from wanting a stable home life AND the chance to work at her career? Intellectually speaking, nothing. The argument against it is almost entirely an emotional one.

And personally, I am a stay at home mom, I cook, clean, babysit, and help fill in the gaps for my girlfriends who work (run and pick up sick kids, etc), so that they can keep working. I don't feel taken advantage of, I feel highly cherished and appreciated. If I were a more secure person, I could probably feel that way in a plural marriage as well. Especially if my 'society' protected my spot in my home.

 

[TenPenny]

I can't help but think that your assertions that school learning would preclude someone from choosing that life are flawed. I don't think IQ has anything to do with it, I think emotional styles are the determining factors, and they have nothing to do with IQ. Like you said, what would stop a woman from wanting a stable home life AND the chance to work at her career? Intellectually speaking, nothing. The argument against it is almost entirely an emotional one.

And personally, I am a stay at home mom, I cook, clean, babysit, and help fill in the gaps for my girlfriends who work (run and pick up sick kids, etc), so that they can keep working. I don't feel taken advantage of, I feel highly cherished and appreciated. If I were a more secure person, I could probably feel that way in a plural marriage as well. Especially if my 'society' protected my spot in my home.

Heck, lots of educated people want spouses that beat them up and treat them like crap.
IQ and education have nothing to do with what people look for in a spouse.

 

[talloola]

talloola, I know your views of what women should want. You view it the way you view what you want. And surprisingly, you and I, for our personal situations, share the same view.
___________________________________________________________________________________
I don't understand the 'surprisingly ' part, because I am much older than you isn't a reason to separate
us from views of different aspects of life.

I don't view it all from the way I want to be, I see women out there in many different lights, as they are, and
see them taken advantage of, when someone could help them, and wish for all women to grow and mature
in a good way.

They don't have to be like me at all.

I am a women who has come along thru my life without 'trying' anything because of what others thought I
should do.
Just the way I am.

People in my generation did many things I considered way out in left field, but thru the years I have
grown to be much more open minded about those things, than I ever could have been in my teens and
twenties or even thirties.

This generational thing is 'bogus', as my daughters are all in their forties now, and not much different
than I actually, we are very similar and different all at the same time.

The attitudes of 'all' generations vary vastly, and you can hear from them in many different lights.
Religion plays a big part in much of those attitudes, as many older people have carried their religious
beliefs all thru life, which (in my opinion) makes them much less tolerant of some of todays lifestyles
and decisions. And of course, as you know, that does not interfere with my thinking,
doesn't get in the way of 'changing' my thinking.

 

[karrie]

talloola, I know your views of what women should want. You view it the way you view what you want. And surprisingly, you and I, for our personal situations, share the same view.
___________________________________________________________________________________
I don't understand the 'surprisingly ' part, ...

"surprisingly" because we disagree on the issue, but on an individual level, agree as it pertains to our household. Nothing 'generational' about it, only issue related.

 

[talloola]

"surprisingly" because we disagree on the issue, but on an individual level, agree as it pertains to our household. Nothing 'generational' about it, only issue related.

OK, thats good

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Meh. If people are dumb enough to want to be a sister wife, let them. They're likely better off in that situation. do you want one of these imbeciles working in society productively? I don't. There's enough idiots in the world anyways, the more that are convinced to stay at home and be good little baby producing sister wives the better.

If you took the combined IQ of the wives in polygamist homes it would equal roughly the same IQ as a normal wife anyways.

What a harsh darwinist. But I kind of like the idea anyway. Except the most vulnerable need protection from the most blatant harm. We've advanced from the animal kingdom you know. Or so they say.

Women having multiple husbands. Laughable. It's never happened and will never happen. Life is never completely equal, no matter what feminist theoreticians may fantasize.

 

[gerryh]

Women having multiple husbands. Laughable. It's never happened and will never happen. Life is never completely equal, no matter what feminist theoreticians may fantasize.

Yup, time and time again you prove how much of an idiot you are. Karrie has already stated that she knows of a woman that has 2 men, and my wife and I knew of a lady with the same situation.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Yup, time and time again you prove how much of an idiot you are. Karrie has already stated that she knows of a woman that has 2 men, and my wife and I knew of a lady with the same situation.

That's nice, but on this global internet thingy, we talk of millions. Can't you even provide a link for hundreds of this event? The world would like to know. It's like saying you saw a passenger pigeon or a dodo bird, but forgot to get a photo.

 

[gerryh]

That's nice, but on this global internet thingy, we talk of millions. Can't you even provide a link for hundreds of this event? The world would like to know. It's like saying you saw a passenger pigeon or a dodo bird, but forgot to get a photo.

This is personal knowledge of people that are in the Hedonistic lifestyle. We speak from experience, whereas you speak out of your ass.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Whereas you imply that the young abused girls at Bountiful are just getting pleasure too as they are living someone's hedonistic lifestyle. Of course you want to help these poor girls, but you defend psychopath asses as uninformed as yourself. There is no argument to support at Bountiful in Canada. Anyone who does is an embarassment.

One's personal experience is irrelevant unless it is public. It must relate to the issue or go to jokes forum and save us the bandwidth.

 

[gerryh]

Whereas you imply that the young abused girls at Bountiful are just getting pleasure too as they are living someone's hedonistic lifestyle. Of course you want to help these poor girls, but you defend psychopath asses as uninformed as yourself. There is no argument to support at Bountiful in Canada. Anyone who does is an embarassment.

more stupidity from the terminally stupid. I have implied no such thing dummy, and I have never supported Bountiful. You really should try to put your brain into gear before you start typing.

One's personal experience is irrelevant unless it is public. It must relate to the issue or go to jokes forum and save us the bandwidth.

You've been told to do that for ages. Yet, here you are, still posting in the adult sections.