Average Canadian family spending more money on taxes than on food, clothing and

Do you PERSONALLY spend more on taxes then food, clothing, and housing *combined*


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SVMc

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The basic problem with these kinds of assertions is that if you can though some mathematical maneuvering make a claim such as the average Canadian spends more on taxes than on food, shelter and clothing (which can be manipulated to be true, but is not really authentic - already posted on that) and then combined that with the top 20% of Canadians pay 50% of the taxes you then get arguments to reduce taxes for the top 20% of Canadians as that reduces the overall tax load.

The people that really need to be screaming are the middle classes, as they get left out of the tax breaks at the top and bottom.

The other thing that is starting to come to the surface and I'd like to see a lot more work on is social responsibility taxes or green taxes (which would be a form of social responsibility tax). Unlike an income tax or a consumer tax which is aimed at wealth redistribution if we tax carbon for example than I as a person can alter my behaviour to get out of the tax (the desired effect) or pay the tax.
 

BitWhys

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...green taxes...

The good news is unless we choose to use them to raise net new revenues for capital investments and such, at this point we don't need to raise taxes (so far - heh), just shift the burden.
 

SVMc

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The good news is unless we choose to use them to raise net new revenues for capital investments and such, at this point we don't need to raise taxes (so far - heh), just shift the burden.
Please, lets shift the burden. The way I see it is if we can bring in green taxes that will have a net zero effect on the overall tax revenue (i.e. If we assume that income taxes can drop in proportion to the green tax revenue) then I'll happily try to reduce my tax by changing my behviour, and if enough people do that to reduce their tax payable then we'll be in a much better environmental situation and I'll have to give credit to the government for finally doing more than just talking about environmental issues, which may make me more amicable to discussing if my taxes then need to be raised, but with the introduction I still think it's a decade off or so, which would give me enough time to be a tree-hugging hippy while paying off my student loans with money that would otherwise have gone to income tax.
 

Stretch

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housing combined.
VANCOUVER, April 16 /CNW/ - The average Canadian family spends more money
on taxes than on necessities of life such as food, clothing, and housing,
according to a study from The Fraser Institute, an independent research
organization with offices across Canada.

The Canadian Consumer Tax Index, 2007, shows that even though the income
of the average Canadian family has increased significantly since 1961, their
total tax bill has increased at a much higher rate.

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- In 1961, the average Canadian family earned an income of $5,000 and
paid $1,675 in total taxes - 33.5 per cent of its income.

- In 2006, the average Canadian family earned an income of $63,001 and
paid total taxes equaling $28,311 - 44.9 per cent of its income.
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"The tax burden we face is made up of much more than just income tax.
When you add up all the taxes we have to pay to all levels of government, the
average Canadian family is paying more of its income to governments in the
form of taxes than they spend feeding, clothing and housing themselves," said
Niels Veldhuis, the study's co-author and Director of the Centre for Tax
Studies with the Fraser Institute.

The Canadian Consumer Tax Index calculates the total tax bill of the
average Canadian family by adding up the various taxes that the family pays to
federal, provincial, and local governments. These include direct taxes such as
income taxes, sales taxes, Employment Insurance and Canadian Pension Plan
contributions, and "hidden" taxes such as import duties, excise taxes on
tobacco and alcohol, amusement taxes, and gas taxes.
"As Canadians grapple with the stress and anxiety of completing their
income tax returns, any discussion of taxes naturally tends to focus on income
taxes. But personal income taxes account for only 32 per cent of the total
taxes the average Canadian family paid in 2006," Veldhuis added.

The Canadian Consumer Tax Index attempts to answer the question: How has
the tax burden of the average family changed since 1961?
The study found the increase in the total tax bill means the average
family now pays more money to various levels of government for taxes than it
spends on food, clothing and housing combined.
In 1961, the average family had to spend 56.5 per cent of their cash
income to obtain food, clothing and housing. In the same year, 33.5 per cent
of the family's income went to governments as tax.
By 1981, the situation had been reversed; governments took 40.8 per cent
of the income in the form of taxes, while the family used 40.5 per cent to buy
food, clothing and housing.
By 2006, the average family was giving 44.9 per cent of its income to
governments for taxes while using 35.6 per cent of its income to buy the
necessities of life - food, clothing and housing.
Since 1961, the total tax bill for the average Canadian family has
increased 1,590 per cent. By comparison, the cost of housing has increased
1,019 per cent, the cost of food 487 per cent and the cost of clothing has
increased 447 per cent since 1961.
"Over the past 45 years, taxes have become the single largest expenditure
in an average Canadian family's budget with the total tax bill for a typical
family increasing by 1,590 per cent since 1961," Veldhuis said.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/April2007/16/c5234.html
 

BitWhys

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there's a thread on this in the waybacks.

Stupid idiots used their own tax calculator and didn't show the formulas. They applied an average to an average and ignored the fact that the top quintile pays 50% of the taxes. If they took that into account they'd have to acknowledge the other 80% of household are paying on average (heh) a quarter of what they (the Institute - praise the lord) saying.
 
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SVMc

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there's a thread on this in the waybacks.

Stupid idiots used their own tax calculator and didn't show the formulas. They applied an average to an average and ignored the fact that the top quintile pays 50% of the taxes. If they took that into account they'd have to acknowledge the other 80% of household are paying on average (heh) a quarter of what they (the Institute - praise the lord) saying.
Link to the other thread: http://forums.canadiancontent.net/o...-more-taxes-than-necessities-life-survey.html
 

BitWhys

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point of interest (and amusement)...

Using 2004 numbers and the 44.9% benchmark, if the top 20% paid their 50% and the bottom 80% paid the aggregate average all levels of government would have recieved $2.8B MORE than Statscan reported as revenue for ALL levels of government without having to recieve a penny in taxes from the corporate and business sectors.

total personal 2004 - $806,798M
consolidated government revenue 2004 - $468,040M

nice trick.
 

temperance

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I think they dont think we will firgure anything out before its too late ,which just adds insult to injury

we even pay tax on used Items --
 

BitWhys

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let me guess. You still think you personally pay 44.9% of your income in taxes like the Fraser Institute says. Right?
 

Kreskin

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Calculate your average combined provincial and federal income tax here. http://www.ey.com/GLOBAL/content.nsf/Canada/Tax_-_Calculators_-_2006_Personal_Tax
At 75k you're in the 24.34% range or $18.225. The after-tax income is $56,745. At 44.9% the total tax bill would be $33,675. That would mean all of your after-tax income would be taxed at 27.23%. Take away non-taxable mortgage and loan payments (although some are tax deductible) the after-tax income would be substantially higher than 27.23%. What are people buying that is costing them that much tax?
 

temperance

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35% on neccesaties --house food and ??

what !! a apt 1 bedroom is 750 easy what of the person bringing home 10 an hour with one child so daycare at 125.00 a week

10 x 40 hours

400.00
-tax 280 home pay

125 day care --

Did I miss somnething

please show me how to calculate that
 

BitWhys

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take it up with Sparky

he wrote the damn thing
 

BitWhys

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just in case this "one thread" thing actually catches...
point of interest (and amusement)...

Using 2004 numbers and the 44.9% benchmark, if the top 20% paid their 50% and the bottom 80% paid the aggregate average all levels of government would have recieved $2.8B MORE than Statscan reported as revenue for ALL levels of government without having to recieve a penny in taxes from the corporate and business sectors.

total personal 2004 - $806,798M
consolidated government revenue 2004 - $468,040M

nice trick.
and for those who aren't in the mood to use their arithmaticker here's a snyopsis...
44.9% * $806,798M = $362,252M

top 20 @ 50% * $362,252M = $181,126M
bottom 80 @ 80% * $362,252M = $289,802M
$181,126M + $289,802M = $470,928M

That's $2,888M more than what all levels of government took in all told and doesn't include a penny from the corporate sector.
 

BitWhys

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For those interested more precision, the Fraser Institute reports (elsewhere, of course) that the top 20% pay 53.0% of the taxes.

Tax Freedom Day Tables - 2006 (pdf)

Run the top 20 @ 53% with the bottom 80 @ 80% you get $13,756M over and above all government revenues.

Those cheeky monkeys at the Institute (pwb) really should learn how navigate a curve ;-)