Australians Have it Right?

[the caracal kid]

"Yes. They have. Christian's were a horrible violent bloodthirsty people a few hundred years ago. The Tamils are problematic and violent now. How about we try to fix the problem that doesn't lie in the past, hmm? "

How about we don't forget the killings being done by christians in the present as well? (or is the fact that it is happening outside north america make it ignorable?)

Progress is what is happening. Clinging to guns and the size of your army is merely more cave-man chest thumping, or bravado to compensate for something else being TINY.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: Australians Have it Right?

"Yes. They have. Christian's were a horrible violent bloodthirsty people a few hundred years ago. The Tamils are problematic and violent now. How about we try to fix the problem that doesn't lie in the past, hmm? "

How about we don't forget the killings being done by christians in the present as well? (or is the fact that it is happening outside north america make it ignorable?)

Progress is what is happening. Clinging to guns and the size of your army is merely more cave-man chest thumping, or bravado to compensate for something else being TINY.

I'm not denying that this "progress" is happening, I'm trying to explain why many people feel threatened by it. And the abolishment of a military will not help bring world peace. Countries need a capable military to defend themselves against those that would harm them.

 

[iamcanadian]

This Canadian problem started with the French.

Had everyone simply ignored Quebec and refused to let them start their cultural aparthide there we would have been a better place all around with our own single culture. But because of the whining of the Quebec Canadians everything fell apart and Canada does not have a Canadian Culture.

There is none, so these arguments don't work here, like they do in Australia.

 

[Virtual Burlesque]

This Canadian problem started with the French.

You mean, the problem being that the French got here first, and since obviously white, we could not abuse them like the First Nations people?

 

[Sassylassie]

How can Canada have a "Single culture?" Canada is a country that was founded by Immigrants (After we forced the Natives from their lands). I have lived in six of our Provinces and have seen many varieties of cultures merging and evolving. My father's Ancestors were Scots and German, and on my Mother's side A tribe know as the MicMacs and England. Sould I leave Canada, after all I am not from a "Single Culture".

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Australians Have it R

The difference is that we went their to stop bloodshed. I believe that we were also invited by Bosnia to keep the peace in their country, and to aid them in finding a resolution with the aggressive serb forces.

Not so fast, we were talking about breaking international law, the rest of your statement is just excuses.

The US invaded a country without being invited, with a purpose of starting a war, not stopping a war, based on lies and deception. The US recieved a giant black eye by attacking Iraq under such circumstances, and we were praised for our missions in the balcans. We didn't go against the UN, the UN didn't send us either, and we gained nothing from the war. The US went into Iraq to eliminate a economic threat, not a military threat.

We didn't gain anything from the Balkan war either, what's your point?

If the US gave a damn about Iraqi's, they wouldn't have started killing them in the first place.

Oh I see, I can play this game also, if Canadians gave a dam about Iraqi's being murdered for 30 years they would have done something about it.

What I meant is that they aren't doing anything in our country.

Oh, so if Osama Bin Laden were to show up at your airport you would give him flowers? Just curious.

We also have no evidence which is required to make an arrest and charge people. See, in Canada we have something called the criminal justice system, not like the American justice system which allows indefinite imprisonment "suspected" terrorists in secret prisons and not so secret prisons without due process. This is why we want to make that not American distinction between our countries.

Yes I'm aware of your criminal justice system, like Karla Homolka and the 20 year trial of the Indian Airline bombing.

That's not policing, that's using resources as leverage so that we can use your soldiers as our human shield. Why would we risk our own lives when we can risk yours? We have no objections to sitting back from major conflict providing your necessary supply lines.

You're welcome.

Our peacekeepers are still effective despite using other countries transports.

And I am well aware of that, I never implied to the contrary.

Our visible army is also very deceptive, and our true military power is kept underground in the North.

Ah, and what are you waiting for? A polar bear invasion?

We built the best supersonic fighter interceptor in the 50's that no other country has been able to replicate, did you think we quit developing military technology?

Oh you must mean the Avro Arrow, the F-106 and YF-12 were of comparable techonologies, you need to stop reading bullshit and pickup a good book on aviation history.

Our strength lies in others lack of information. Anyone remember the 2 billion dollar gun registry that was only supposed to cost 2 million? Can you say military funding in disguise. We also have a nuclear program that doesn't exist.

OK, we'll just keep it between us then :roll:

Canada's record isn't worse than the US if you base it on landmass, and not production per capita. The US produces almost 10 times what we do in greenhouse gas emmisions. Canada is so damn big that we can produce more emmissions than you because we have more space to do it.

Really? David Suzuki disagrees with you.

We also have the Boreal forest which can handle more CO2 than we could ever produce. The only thing us Canadians need to do is reduce the pollution in our major cities. Go anywhere and in Canada other than a major city and all you find is clean air and pristine wilderness.

Big surprise, major cities cause pollution? Really? You have no grasp on this, quit while you're ahead.

We support Kyoto because despite our relatively low pollution levels and fairly good air quality, the atmosphere is heating up and there are patches of grass on my lawn in february, when it should be 4 feet of snow like when I was a kid.

You support Kyoto because Canada always follows the flow, or at least this has been the case this past decade or so, and I wasn't aware of your lawn patch, you may want to let Environment Canada know about it.

The jokes on you guys, we haven't cut our production of gases yet because oil is going to skyrocket in the next 3-5 years which will reduce the demand and production of the goods which have the emissions as byproducts. High prices of resources will naturally reduce our outputs, so were just waiting for it to happen while making as much money as possible until it does. It may suprise you, but if the average american quit buying all the plastic junk and useless crap that fuels capitalism, our emissions would be cut, as most of our emissions are created from the products we sell primarily to your country.

:lol:

 

[Virtual Burlesque]

As the world comes ever closer to McLuhan’s Global Village, there are only three choices:

We either learn to live together in a multicultural society, or we have one vast war of ethnic cleansing until only one ethnicity remains standing.

The third choice is Bulworth’s solution: “Everybody keeps f**king each other until we are all the same colour.”

 

[the caracal kid]

The third is happening, and it frightens those that cling to superficialities of the past.

Given human nature though, if we don't evolve more intellectually and emotionally, becoming "one race" won't stop the intolorance.

 

[JoeyB]

No Single Entity will ever have it 'Right'

This is just a pointless circular argument which will be debated all over the planet for the rest of eternity, and frankly it's pretty pathetic. there are always going to be people who disagree, so just accept that others may or may not be as active as you in expressing their views about the issue, and that people will not always understand your reasoning.

*frustrated* :evil:

 

[tracy]

Re: RE: Australians Have it Right?

I don't see anything wrong with multiculturalism. I'm not less Canadian because I've preserved some of my ancestors traditions. I've also enjoyed the traditions some of my friends' families have maintained (especially the Greeks, cause then I get to have Easter dinner twice). There are obviously some areas where new immigrants must assimilate their new country's values and traditions, but they can keep some of their values and traditions as well. This country would be pretty boring if every immigrant tried to Americanize completely.

And I have no problem with multiculturalism the way you describe it, which in essence is integration. Maintaining traditions that eventually become part of society is a wonderful thing.

But that's not multiculturalism, now is it? Even the Ministry of Multiculturalism defines multiculturalism as:

What is Multiculturalism?
Canadian multiculturalism is fundamental to our belief that all citizens are equal. Multiculturalism ensures that all citizens can keep their identities, can take pride in their ancestry and have a sense of belonging. Acceptance gives Canadians a feeling of security and self-confidence, making them more open to, and accepting of, diverse cultures. The Canadian experience has shown that multiculturalism encourages racial and ethnic harmony and cross-cultural understanding, and discourages ghettoization, hatred, discrimination and violence.

Through multiculturalism, Canada recognizes the potential of all Canadians, encouraging them to integrate into their society and take an active part in its social, cultural, economic and political affairs.

http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/progs/multi/what-multi_e.cfm

In other words, maintaining traditions (sometimes local traditions are mixed) doesn't constitute multiculturalism, it is integration that will result into a unified society. And And by unified, I mean politicial and idealogical commons.

I don't get what part of the government definition of multiculturalism you don't like. Maintain your traditions and identity, and integrate into your new country. Sounds fine to me.

 

[iamcanadian]

Canadian 11,682,680
English 5,978,875
French 4,668,410
Scottish 4,157,210
Irish 3,822,660
German 2,742,765
Italian 1,270,370
Chinese 1,094,700
Ukrainian 1,071,060
North American Indian 1,000,890
Dutch (Netherlands) 923,310
Scandinavian origins 857,145
Polish 817,085
East Indian 713,330
Norwegian 363,760
Portuguese 357,690
Welsh 350,365
Jewish 348,605
Russian 337,960
Filipino 327,550
Métis 307,845
Swedish 282,760
Hungarian (Magyar) 267,255
American (USA) 250,005
Greek 215,105
Spanish 213,105
Jamaican 211,720
Danish 170,780
Vietnamese 151,410
British, n.i.e. 150,585
Austrian 147,585
Lebanese 143,635
Romanian 131,830
Belgian 129,780
Finnish 114,690
Swiss 110,795
Korean 101,715
Québécois 98,670
African (Black), n.i.e. 97,185
Croatian 97,050
Iranian 88,220
Japanese 85,230
Haitian 82,405
Czech 79,910
Icelandic 75,090
Pakistani 74,015
Arab, n.i.e. 71,705
Acadian 71,590
Yugoslav, n.i.e. 65,505
Sri Lankan 61,315
West Indian 59,705
Inuit 56,330
Serbian 55,540
Black 53,090
Guyanese 51,570
Slovak 50,860
Trinidadian/Tobagonian 49,590
South Asian, n.i.e. 49,205
Punjabi 47,155
Latin/Central/South American, n.i.e. 41,620
Egyptian 41,310
Armenian 40,505
Tamil 39,075
Mexican 36,575
Lithuanian 36,485
Chilean 34,115
Somali 33,725
Czechoslovakian 33,540
Maltese 33,000
Scandinavian, n.i.e. 32,730
Macedonian 31,265
Slovenian 28,910
Salvadorean 26,735
Australian 25,415
Afghan 25,230
Turk 24,910
Barbadian 23,725
Latvian 22,615
Estonian 22,085
Syrian 22,065
Moroccan 21,355
European, n.i.e. 20,450
Cambodian 20,430
Iraqi 19,245
South African 18,925
Taiwanese 18,080
Peruvian 17,945
Laotian 16,950
Ghanaian 16,935
Colombian 15,865
Ethiopian 15,725
Bosnian 15,720
Algerian 15,500
Bulgarian 15,195
Pacific Islands origins 15,100
Albanian 14,935
Palestinian 14,675
Newfoundlander 13,715
Bangladeshi 13,080
Flemish 11,665
Caribbean, n.i.e. 10,990
Fijian 10,035
Brazilian 9,710
Indonesian 9,700
Guatemalan 9,550
Nigerian 9,530
Argentinian 9,095
Central/South American Indian 8,965
West Asian, n.i.e. 8,805
East/Southeast Asian, n.i.e. 8,795
Ecuadorian 8,785
New Zealander 8,600
Grenadian 7,995
Hispanic 7,850
Vincentian/Grenadinian 7,450
Eritrean 7,165
Bengali 7,020
Assyrian 6,980
Thai 6,965
Dominican, n.o.s. 6,865
Slav (European) 6,810
Sudanese 6,525
Congolese, n.o.s. 6,235
Cuban 6,200
Nicaraguan 6,190
Malaysian 6,095
Israeli 6,060
Venezuelan 5,925
Kurd 5,680
Berber 5,570
Tunisian 5,325
Byelorussian 5,115
Goan 3,865
Uruguayan 3,800
Jordanian 3,760
Sinhalese 3,560
Frisian 3,175
Rwandan 3,060
Honduran 3,025
Kenyan 2,990
Maya 2,875
Burmese 2,840
Gujarati 2,805
St. Lucian 2,765
Mauritian 2,720
Basque 2,715
Gypsy (Roma) 2,590
Sicilian 2,465
Antiguan 2,435
Luxembourger 2,390
East African 2,270
Maghrebi, n.i.e. 2,270
Ugandan 2,125
Panamanian 2,075
Cameroonian 2,070
Cypriot 2,060
Asian, n.o.s. 2,010
Hawaiian 1,955
Burundian 1,900
Zairian 1,885
Yoruba 1,875
Tanzanian 1,865
Ashanti 1,860
Bermudan 1,845
Bolivian 1,795
Polynesian 1,745
Kittitian/Nevisian 1,730
Senegalese 1,675
Mongolian 1,675
Costa Rican 1,615
Bahamian 1,585
Yemeni 1,445
Azerbaijani 1,445
Tibetan 1,425
Carib 1,330
Maori 1,305
Afrikaner 1,250
Zimbabwean 1,250
Kosovar 1,200
Ibo 1,200
Libyan 1,180
Nepali 1,170
Guinean, n.o.s. 1,120
Ivoirean 1,120
Angolan 1,110
Saudi Arabian 1,080
Montenegrin 1,055
Puerto Rican 1,045
Pashtun 1,040
Oromo 1,030
Khmer 1,000
Seychellois 980
Georgian 970
Tartar 875
Kuwaiti 855
Malian 815
Malagasy 780
Paraguayan 760
Togolese 755
Akan 750
Belizean 725
Martinique 605
Hmong 595
Sierra Leonean 565
Kashmiri 480
Pacific Islander, n.i.e. 390
African, n.i.e. 155

Pigeon Hole everyone so they are easier to control. If everyone became equaly Canadian the French and English would be outnumbered.