Atheist must swear to God -- or leave US Air Force

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Tecumsehsbones said:
When one goes to war, one is usually not defending oneself. One is usually the attacker. Particularly when one is an American or Canadian.
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you are close to the politics of war, not the actual battle of a war.
there are many dead canadians and americans from the battle in a war, as well as whomever was the enemy.

the arguement of the politics of war, is definitely another subject. i don't believe in war at all,
or the killing of anyone, but we are far past that, on this subject, we have sworn on the bible,
we are allready there, just stay alive if one can.
 
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talloola said:
you are close to the politics of war, not the actual battle of a war.
there are many dead canadians and americans from the battle in a war, as well as whomever was the enemy.

the arguement of the politics of war, is definitely another subject. i don't believe in war at all,
or the killing of anyone, but we are far past that, on this subject, we have sworn on the bible,
we are allready there, just stay alive if one can.
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In all of this one has choices and must make judgement calls. I once asked a Major (whom I considered to be the best Commander I ever served with) if he would question orders that seemed morally repugnant. He said, "Of course and so should you."
 
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Retired_Can_Soldier said:
In all of this one has choices and must make judgement calls. I once asked a Major (whom I considered to be the best Commander I ever served with) if he would question orders that seemed morally repugnant. He said, "Of course and so should you."
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yes, of course, and also i would question orders that seemed to be suicidal and useless to the good
health of everyone involved. such orders are given by a human, not anything other than a person
'who' could be wrong, so yes, 'ask why'.
 
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talloola said:
yes, of course, and also i would question orders that seemed to be suicidal and useless to the good
health of everyone involved. such orders are given by a human, not anything other than a person
'who' could be wrong, so yes, 'ask why'.
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Some would believe us all robots. Those lacking understanding of the military.

But then, these are the same folks who make Nazi comparisons.
 
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Twila said:
was that an intentional pun?

I think I prefer honest word usage over flowery words that one can back away from later siting misundersanding, interpretation bias and such.
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That is why the ones writing the contracts don't do that, make a deal that is only binding on one party. Not hard to understand why the West has been hated the world over for so many 100's of years.
 
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talloola said:
you are close to the politics of war, not the actual battle of a war.
there are many dead canadians and americans from the battle in a war, as well as whomever was the enemy.
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In so many cases, the "enemy" was defending his homeland from invasion. Which I would do as well, regardless of what the invader thought of my government.
 
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Oh yes, the war on Christmas. I forgot... ahem DEATH TO CHRISTMAS!
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Don't say that... there would be another global economic crash.

I think Matthew Good said it very well when he wrote "Christmas is for shopping and the shopping god is everything"
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
In so many cases, the "enemy" was defending his homeland from invasion. Which I would do as well, regardless of what the invader thought of my government.
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What do you do when the 'invader' is the Government? (as in they break the rules)

Twila said:
Don't say that... there would be another global economic crash.

I think Matthew Good said it very well when he wrote "Christmas is for shopping and the shopping god is everything"
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Stopping war would bring the crash on.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
In so many cases, the "enemy" was defending his homeland from invasion. Which I would do as well, regardless of what the invader thought of my government.
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other than the false invasion on iraq by bush, which was a lie to begin with, your statement is
far too simplified, as though the west goes around the world invading people for no reason at
all, that has not been the case, except for those who decided in their own thoughts without
knowing 'all' the truths.

anyone would defend their homeland from invasion, even if they were the instigators to start with,
then hid at home, then accused the invadors of invading for no good reason. it is all very
complicated, many stories to sort out, not simple at all, and yes, there are many different
thoughts as to whom they agree with or not. it is so easy to just accuse the west of being bullies,
another simplification, my goodness, what is going on in the middle east right now certainly shows
how far they need to come to find any tolerance of 'anyone' else, certainly nothing new at all.
 
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talloola said:
other than the false invasion on iraq by bush, which was a lie to begin with, your statement is
far too simplified, as though the west goes around the world invading people for no reason at
all, that has not been the case, except for those who decided in their own thoughts without
knowing 'all' the truths.

anyone would defend their homeland from invasion, even if they were the instigators to start with,
then hid at home, then accused the invadors of invading for no good reason. it is all very
complicated, many stories to sort out, not simple at all, and yes, there are many different
thoughts as to whom they agree with or not. it is so easy to just accuse the west of being bullies,
another simplification, my goodness, what is going on in the middle east right now certainly shows
how far they need to come to find any tolerance of 'anyone' else, certainly nothing new at all.
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I'll accuse anybody who's being a bully of being a bully, West, East, North, or South. Including Britain, China, Russia, Iraq, and the various other bullies. And consistent with that, I won't spare the U.S. or Canada when they are bullies.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
I'll accuse anybody who's being a bully of being a bully, West, East, North, or South. Including Britain, China, Russia, Iraq, and the various other bullies. And consistent with that, I won't spare the U.S. or Canada when they are bullies.
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Unless, of course, they are injuns. Cause injuns can't be bullies. They are all one with the earth, and the earth is one with them.
 
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talloola said:
other than the false invasion on iraq by bush, which was a lie to begin with, your statement is
far too simplified, as though the west goes around the world invading people for no reason at
all, that has not been the case, except for those who decided in their own thoughts without
knowing 'all' the truths.
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Just to be clear here. It wasn't a false invasion, it was a real invasion.
 
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