Asylum for Afghan Christian: Nothing doing for the guy

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KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who faced the death penalty for converting from Islam to Christianity has appealed for asylum in another country, the United Nations said Monday after hundreds of Muslims marched against a court's decision to dismiss his case.


Afghan officials did not say whether Abdul Rahman had been released after the case against him was dismissed Sunday, but the U.N. statement came amid unconfirmed reports that he was being freed.

"We do understand that he will be released," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said in Washington. "We're pleased by that."

Earlier Monday, hundreds of clerics, students and others chanting "Death to Christians!" marched through the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif to protest the court's decision to toss out the case.

Several Muslim clerics have threatened to incite Afghans to kill Rahman if he is freed, saying that he is clearly guilty of apostasy and deserves to die.

"Mr. Rahman has asked for asylum outside Afghanistan," U.N. spokesman Adrian Edwards said. "We expect this will be provided by one of the countries interested in a peaceful solution to this case."

Rahman, 41, was arrested last month after police discovered him with a Bible. He was put on trial last week for converting 16 years ago while working as a medical aid worker for an international Christian group helping Afghan refugees in Pakistan and had faced the death penalty under Afghanistan's Islamic laws.

But the case set off an outcry in the United States and other nations that helped oust the hard-line Taliban regime in late 2001 and provide aid and military support for Afghan President Hamid Karzai. President Bush and others insisted Afghanistan protect personal beliefs.

Karzai had to balance those concerns with the risk of religious sensibilities in Afghanistan.

McCormack said he did not believe U.S. officials have been in touch with Rahman regarding his travel plans, which he said were being handling privately.

"This has been a sensitive matter for the Afghan people," McCormack said. "We understand that. So we think in the coming days, in the coming weeks, as this case is resolved, that there be calm and that any differences the Afghan people, some Afghan people may have with regard to the resolution of the case be handled without resort to violence."

While officials said the case against Rahman was dropped, prosecutors also said earlier Monday they were still examining whether he was mentally fit to stand trial.

Deputy Attorney General Mohammed Eshak Aloko told The Associated Press that he may be sent overseas for psychological treatment if a medical examination that started Monday concludes that he is insane.

"Three Afghan doctors have worked on him today," Aloko said. "Sometimes he appears normal but at other times he looks very strange. His body twitches all the time."

He did not say when the evaluation would be completed.

"We will consider sending him for treatment outside the country if he needs it," Aloko said.

A senior Afghan official closely involved with the case, who asked not to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter, told AP that Rahman would be freed shortly, but the details of how it would be done were still being hammered out.

Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah said at a news conference in Kabul that he was optimistic the issue would soon be resolved. "I hope that soon there will be a solution," he said.

No country has offered asylum to Rahman, said another official familiar with the case who also declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Monday's protest of the court's decision ended peacefully about two hours after it started in Mazar-i-Sharif, police commander Nasruddin Hamdrad said.

The protesters chanted "Death to Bush!" and "Death to Christians!" he said. Police in riot gear stood guard but did not intervene.

"Abdul Rahman must be killed. Islam demands it," said senior Cleric Faiez Mohammed, from the nearby northern city of Kunduz. "The Christian foreigners occupying Afghanistan are attacking our religion."

He warned of the possibility of riots in the country if Rahman is released.

Rahman was moved to Kabul's notorious high-security Policharki prison Friday, a facility that houses about 2,000 inmates, including about 350 Taliban and al-Qaida militants.

He was transferred after inmates at a police detention facility reportedly threatened him. Prison warden Gen. Shahmir Amirpur said Rahman was still in his cell late Monday. He declined further comment.

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Now, the guy is not going to get death after an uproar from the West and from ordinary people, and radical Christians. And now no Western Country is going to give him asylum.

What a bunch of crap. You say, don't kill him you are barbaric. And once he is released there has been no offers of accepting him into a country. That is just great.
 

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Only radical Christians find it abhorent that changing one's religion isn't a cause for the death penalty? If that is the case, I think the "radical Christians" in this case are spot on.
 

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I had ordinary people as well, as well as a whole bunch of radical christian people who form the backbone of Bush's support.

However, you don't mention anything about the poor guy who is going to be killed because the Western world or anywhere else wants him to be released but don't want to take him into their nation. A bunch of hypocrits.
 

Jersay

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Yeah the Iranian Canadian journalist who was murdered by Iranian officials.

Funny, you say that, because she rolled over twenty times when her son wasn't allowed to show her pictures of Israel and what Israel security forces do to innocent Palestinian civilians. Because it offended a bloody Jewish organization.

I think she has already rolled.
 

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This frame of discussion is somewhat useless, in my opinion; by that, I mean there is no point in saying that something shouldn't be done because any nation in particular did something a certain way (or didn't do something) in the past. There is no point in saying that the United States shouldn't accept this person into their nation, just because Canada faltered in rescuing a citizen — just as there would be no reason to deny someone refugee status, just because a neighbouring country did so.
 

Jersay

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Because they wanted him released. They should grant him asylum.

And when you go overseas as a Canadian, trusting your fate on Foreign Affairs will get you killed.
 

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RE: Asylum for Afghan Chr

I think the Afghan in question will be accidently executed while undergoing the psychiatric testing ordered for him. They say they might send him outside the coutry for treatment, heaven is outside the country.
 

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This frame of discussion is somewhat useless, in my opinion; by that, I mean there is no point in saying that something shouldn't be done because any nation in particular did something a certain way (or didn't do something) in the past. There is no point in saying that the United States shouldn't accept this person into their nation, just because Canada faltered in rescuing a citizen — just as there would be no reason to deny someone refugee status, just because a neighbouring country did so.

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Good points, Five.
 

FiveParadox

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FiveParadox sighs.

I have sent messages to the Right Honourable Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P., the Member for Calgary Southwest and Prime Minister of Canada, and the Honourable Peter Mackay, P.C., M.P., the Member for Central Nova and Minister of Foreign Affairs, urging them to offer Abdul Rahman asylum in Canada. Granted, they may not listen (heh, they may not even read them), but at least I tried. :)

Seriously though, if we value our Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, then do we not have a duty to attempt to help someone who may be persecuted in the future for having committed apostasy? In my opinion, it should certainly not be a crime in any lawful sense of the word; if the freedom of religion is truly an inviolate freedom, that we deserve as humans, then should that freedom not be extended to everyone within the capacity of Canada?
 

#juan

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The point Jersay was that your own country did nothing to save it's own citizen, why bash the entire West about this Afghani?

Kazemi was an Iranian citizen. She kept her Iranian citizenship when she came to Canada. She entered Iran with an Iranian passport. Iran treats it's own citizens like shit and Kazemi was no exception. As far as Iran was concerned, they didn't have to listen to Canada's demands. It would likely have been different if she had used her Canadian passport.
 

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Jersay said:
I had ordinary people as well, as well as a whole bunch of radical christian people who form the backbone of Bush's support.

However, you don't mention anything about the poor guy who is going to be killed because the Western world or anywhere else wants him to be released but don't want to take him into their nation. A bunch of hypocrits.
Rubbish.
He refused to renouce his Christianity so was going to be executed. The West objected and tried to save his life. I guess they should have done F - ALL and let the mad Mullahs get their way and murder him. The Pope joined in the effort so I guess to you he is a radical Christian. When Rushdie was threatened with a death fatwa the radical Christians in Britain protected him at great taxpayer expense. He was guarded around the clock by the British government. Maybe the radical Islamists in Afghanistan can do the same for this guy? Which country should accept him? One with no Muslims or should a government that has them, put him in protective custody for the rest of his life?
Maybe Canada should accept him then when the next 40 million want refuge status just pull out a bible and say you are a Christian convert. We know you will be killed if you stayed in an Islamist country so the UN says we have to accept you. No proof required.
Yup you are right. Christians should have done bugger all. They should have joined their Muslim brothers and called for his head.