You are 100% correct, now we just have to make your laws retroactive by 200 years...
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You are 100% correct, now we just have to make your laws retroactive by 200 years...
Actually if you did it for two hundred you would have been to late.
The point I am making here is we are not and should not have
people running all over the planet and our taxpayers in Canada
or indeed in Arizona paying for them to be here.
If we continue the way things are we will be dragged down at home
supporting a tax burden for people who are not our responsibility
We are not in the business of just allowing people to come here
without conditions, .
I for one will never support open boarders, I believe
I have worked hard to make a better life for my kids and grand kids.
I am in favour of helping people in the third, no problem, I am in
favour of allowing some to migrate here under the refugee program
once we know who they are. I believe we need to have an orderly
process to do that and not everyone gets to come to Disneyland.
There is another way to put an end to this, not popular and I would
be the first to protest along with you. If they cross the boarder just
shoot them. No I think round them up and deport them is still a
better option. Where many disagree with me is that I think if someone
is living a lie here for what ever period of time, the should face
deportation if caught, and the assets belong to the government.
who would in turn sell them to gain back at least some of what
was paid out in services while the cheaters were living here.
That would also encourage legal immigration and documented
refugee status, those with proper credentials should be offered
citizenship within five years. The other exception, is if someone comes
here having lied and slips through and is later discovered deport them to
their country of origin and if wanted on war crimes send them back the
day it is determined they are who they are no more appeals at taxpayers
expense.
The point I am making here is we are not and should not have
people running all over the planet and our taxpayers in Canada
or indeed in Arizona paying for them to be here.
If we continue the way things are we will be dragged down at home
supporting a tax burden for people who are not our responsibility
We are not in the business of just allowing people to come here
without conditions, .
I for one will never support open boarders, I believe
I have worked hard to make a better life for my kids and grand kids.
I am in favour of helping people in the third, no problem, I am in
favour of allowing some to migrate here under the refugee program
once we know who they are. I believe we need to have an orderly
process to do that and not everyone gets to come to Disneyland.
There is another way to put an end to this, not popular and I would
be the first to protest along with you. If they cross the boarder just
shoot them. No I think round them up and deport them is still a
better option. Where many disagree with me is that I think if someone
is living a lie here for what ever period of time, the should face
deportation if caught, and the assets belong to the government.
who would in turn sell them to gain back at least some of what
was paid out in services while the cheaters were living here.
That would also encourage legal immigration and documented
refugee status, those with proper credentials should be offered
citizenship within five years. The other exception, is if someone comes
here having lied and slips through and is later discovered deport them to
their country of origin and if wanted on war crimes send them back the
day it is determined they are who they are no more appeals at taxpayers
expense.
Looking at these boards I see people saying essentially they are poor because their
income would not constitute them paying taxes. Who cares, they are not citizens of
the United States Of America, Personally I don't care what color they are what if any
religion they are or from what shore or land mass they came from. You don't have
papers and you were not born here you are not a citizen and you are sent back to the
country you came from. If we can't determine that you are held without bail or promise
to appear. We find out who you are and out you go. The economic and social
resources of the country are for citizens who can prove they are part of our national
family it is that simple. Yes I feel sorry for some of them but that does not make them
citizens either they have no standing as a citizen therefore out they go.
income would not constitute them paying taxes. Who cares, they are not citizens of
the United States Of America, Personally I don't care what color they are what if any
religion they are or from what shore or land mass they came from. You don't have
papers and you were not born here you are not a citizen and you are sent back to the
country you came from. If we can't determine that you are held without bail or promise
to appear. We find out who you are and out you go. The economic and social
resources of the country are for citizens who can prove they are part of our national
family it is that simple. Yes I feel sorry for some of them but that does not make them
citizens either they have no standing as a citizen therefore out they go.
Things have certainly changed since the days Canada was part of the British Empire. Here's a poem from the Kipling Reader, taught in schools, at least in Britain, over a century ago:
THE NATIVE-BORN
_We've drunk to the Queen—God bless her!—
We've drunk, to our mothers' land;
We've drunk to our English brother
(But he does not understand);
We've drunk to the wide creation,
And the Cross swings low for the morn;
Last toast, and of obligation,
A health to the Native-born!
They change their skies above them,
But not their hearts that roam!
We learned from our wistful mothers
To call old England 'home';
We read of the English skylark,
Of the spring in the English lanes,
But we screamed with the painted lories
As we rode on the dusty plains!...
_We've drunk to the Queen—God bless her!—
We've drunk, to our mothers' land;
We've drunk to our English brother
(But he does not understand);
We've drunk to the wide creation,
And the Cross swings low for the morn;
Last toast, and of obligation,
A health to the Native-born!
They change their skies above them,
But not their hearts that roam!
We learned from our wistful mothers
To call old England 'home';
We read of the English skylark,
Of the spring in the English lanes,
But we screamed with the painted lories
As we rode on the dusty plains!...
Notice the reference to changing the skies above them but not the hearts that roam. The idea of an Englishman (and remember we wre English subjects too not long before then) changing allegiance when abroad was unacceptable. He reserved the right to travel the world as an Englishman.
Now our notion of the nation state has certainly changed since then.
Technically until 1946, Canadians were subjects of the British Empire and we had free reign to move to and work in Britain, Australia and New Zealand.
The difference since then is we had two consequentive Prime Ministers, Pearson and Trudeau, who promoted pseduo-nationalism and conspired to erase Canada's history and connections to Britain, Ireland and France.
A tremendous success in the armpit Toronto but Quebecois identity became stronger under Pearson, Trudeau and subsequent Prime Ministers and Western Canadians are extremely apathetic about Canadianism, instead they consider themselves Western Canadian (for a lack of a better term at the moment!).
No idea where newspapers in this country are getting the idea that Canada is the #1 most Patriotic country in the world. Yes, we do recognize we have a better lifestyle than the Americans but that shouldn't be confused with Patriotism
The difference since then is we had two consequentive Prime Ministers, Pearson and Trudeau, who promoted pseduo-nationalism and conspired to erase Canada's history and connections to Britain, Ireland and France.
A tremendous success in the armpit Toronto but Quebecois identity became stronger under Pearson, Trudeau and subsequent Prime Ministers and Western Canadians are extremely apathetic about Canadianism, instead they consider themselves Western Canadian (for a lack of a better term at the moment!).
No idea where newspapers in this country are getting the idea that Canada is the #1 most Patriotic country in the world. Yes, we do recognize we have a better lifestyle than the Americans but that shouldn't be confused with Patriotism
Breaking with Britain was also essentially uprooting ourselves. Consider that much of early English Canadian literature even refers to us as British. By having broken our ties, that literary tradition becomes obsolete, uprooting us culturally and thus naturally leading to a certain political chaos.
It might sound strange, but I'd say we ought to try to rebuild those ties so as to bring that history, its literature and culture back, while keeping our current English-Canadian culture as a British sub-culture as it alwasy was. Canada is way too young to truly stand on its own culturally. Heck, we still turn to British and even American roots often, in literature, music, art, etc. owing to our own uprootedness.
We are number one in patriotism? When did that happen? The Canadian experience is
different though, we don't wave flags and chant like tribesmen, you know USA USA, that
is because it is nauseating, and likely beneath us. Oh God are they going to start that
again? Canadians do things their own way, we may not demonstrate it that often but
let some other country bad mouth us and as Canadians we are for a short time anti
who ever that might be.
I think there is two prevailing views of the world, one suggests that people should be allowed
to move anywhere they want to have a better life and never mind about formalities.
On the other hand we as a country have our inherent rights and we know this because we all
pay through the nose for them. We also know there are limited tax dollars and those dollars
should serve Canadians first. The fundamental thing to recognize, we are a society with the
rules and obligations to our fellow countrymen.
We are not nomads with a sense of anarchy that we can just make up the rules to suit
ourselves and if there are going to be changes, restrictions will get tougher with the present
way of the world.
different though, we don't wave flags and chant like tribesmen, you know USA USA, that
is because it is nauseating, and likely beneath us. Oh God are they going to start that
again? Canadians do things their own way, we may not demonstrate it that often but
let some other country bad mouth us and as Canadians we are for a short time anti
who ever that might be.
I think there is two prevailing views of the world, one suggests that people should be allowed
to move anywhere they want to have a better life and never mind about formalities.
On the other hand we as a country have our inherent rights and we know this because we all
pay through the nose for them. We also know there are limited tax dollars and those dollars
should serve Canadians first. The fundamental thing to recognize, we are a society with the
rules and obligations to our fellow countrymen.
We are not nomads with a sense of anarchy that we can just make up the rules to suit
ourselves and if there are going to be changes, restrictions will get tougher with the present
way of the world.
First off, let's not confuse patriotism with nationalism. One is a sentiment of love for one's country, the other an ideological belief in the superiority of the country.
Secondly, I do agree that our money should not go towards helping foreigners. But then again, it should not really go towards helping Canadians either. Government regulations should be aimed at requiring Canadians to save their own money for themselves.
If the situation were thus, it wouldn't matter that we had more open borders since it all would be expected to carry their weight anyway.
Also, as for the 'nomad' lifestyle, international trade, and therefore friendship and marriage, is here to stay.
Hold on,
nationalism isn't an ideological belief in the superiority of the country. The term you are thinking of is Chauvinism (not to be mistaken with "Male Chauvinism") and it's still a problem in most European countries.
Australia and New Zealand are doing fine!
We've had decades to build culture but instead cultural agencies,such as the National Film Board of Canada located in Montreal, decided that Quebec was more Canadian than Anglo-Canada...
You just found it more convenient and easier to associate with the United States, take down official borders and today you could not find a major difference. The State of Canada exists more solidly in your minds more than it does in the real world. Since Montreal is considered the cultural center of Canada, where else would one locate the National Film Board of Canada. As for Quebec, they still think of themselves as a conquered people and most would like more autonomy within the Canadian Federation, then of course there are these independent movements that keep popping and not just in Quebec. You have a culture, just refuse to accept it, your ideals, your accomplishments, yes you have a cultural all right embrace it. Stop being jealous or envious of other countries they have their own problems to deal with.
Australia and New Zealand had a much better chance to become a distinct nation, distance and a couple of wars and being isolated pretty much from Great Briton. Your not them either.
Horse ****!!!! He went out and posted that sign himself for show...
I drive that route from Dallas to San Diego all the time and there is no such sign. Never ever saw anything remotely the same.
