Re: RE: Are you unsure about your salvation?
Actually, God's female.
And black.
fuzzylogix said:
Actually, God's female.
And black.
Are you unsure about your salvation?
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God is a Germanic name for deified reference ("reverence") to the unitary concept of deity —most commonly described as an intelligent consciousness of infinite spiritual substance that underlies or permeates through the whole natural and physical universe, and is therefore said to be both its "creator and ruler."
So says Wikipedia.
So says Wikipedia.
Re: RE: Are you unsure about
Oh, that's a bit over the top, I think. True liberal democracy's a fairly recent invention, with roots in, among other places (like ancient Greece), the separation of religious and secular authorities. Seems somewhat extravagant to me to claim Christianity as the source of that. I'd bet a careful reading of history would show the Christian church fighting that every step of the way. Compare, for instance the role of the church in secular affairs today and 300 years ago, when the church was a mere 1700 or so years old...Colpy said:
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I confess to using that to stir the pot a bit.......but at its essence it is true.
The philosopher at the centre of the development of the ideals of a modern liberal democracy was John Locke. Locke was a man of his time, steeped in Christianity, and believed that as each man was of equal worth before God, each man had a right to an equal say in how he was governed.
There it is......the essence of liberal democracy drawn straight from Christian philosophy.
Dexter Sinister said:
I confess to using that to stir the pot a bit.......but at its essence it is true.
The philosopher at the centre of the development of the ideals of a modern liberal democracy was John Locke. Locke was a man of his time, steeped in Christianity, and believed that as each man was of equal worth before God, each man had a right to an equal say in how he was governed.
There it is......the essence of liberal democracy drawn straight from Christian philosophy.
RE: Are you unsure about
Locke was a Deist, better described as predating the likes of rationalists like Bultman or nihilists like Nietchze than more mainstream liberal Christian thought. He was also stunningly utilitarian to a fault and as elitist as the rest of the AngloSaxon Enlightenment swine currently worshipped by modern Classical Liberal revisionists.
Locke was a Deist, better described as predating the likes of rationalists like Bultman or nihilists like Nietchze than more mainstream liberal Christian thought. He was also stunningly utilitarian to a fault and as elitist as the rest of the AngloSaxon Enlightenment swine currently worshipped by modern Classical Liberal revisionists.
Re: RE: Are you unsure about
I vote with BitWhys on this one. I don't recall from my reading of Locke (admittedly it was a long time ago, around 1974 I think, class in political philosophy) that he made much of the specifically Christian version of god, nor do those two ideas you cited seem in line with the Christian philosophy of his time. It would not, for instance, have agreed that each man had a right to an equal say in how he was governed. Christianity was quite rigidly heirarchical and authoritarian and closely linked to the secular authorities in his time, and he was a strong believer in the separation of church and state. I'd say that at its essence, your statement is not true.
Colpy said:
BitWhys said:
I vote with BitWhys on this one. I don't recall from my reading of Locke (admittedly it was a long time ago, around 1974 I think, class in political philosophy) that he made much of the specifically Christian version of god, nor do those two ideas you cited seem in line with the Christian philosophy of his time. It would not, for instance, have agreed that each man had a right to an equal say in how he was governed. Christianity was quite rigidly heirarchical and authoritarian and closely linked to the secular authorities in his time, and he was a strong believer in the separation of church and state. I'd say that at its essence, your statement is not true.
Although I tend to believe in a form of afterlife, I don't believe in any form of eternal salvation or damnation. Our universe is in constant movement.
The old Christian notion of good and evil would greatly benefit to be dosed with the Eastern concept of Yin and Yang...
The old Christian notion of good and evil would greatly benefit to be dosed with the Eastern concept of Yin and Yang...
“Salvation The Myth” Coming to a Theatre Near You!
I am positive, If there is a divine being or not, I am worm food!
I find complete serenity in that.
I know I lead a good life without the threat of going to hell or being damned.
But wait a minute, if I were christian I could do whatever I wanted and repent on my deathbed.
Never mind, I’m in. Sign me up!
But if I am saved to whom will I say, “Told Yah So!” from my holier then thou jesus christ pose.
Scratch it I’m back to worm food!
I am positive, If there is a divine being or not, I am worm food!
I find complete serenity in that.
I know I lead a good life without the threat of going to hell or being damned.
But wait a minute, if I were christian I could do whatever I wanted and repent on my deathbed.
Never mind, I’m in. Sign me up!
But if I am saved to whom will I say, “Told Yah So!” from my holier then thou jesus christ pose.
Scratch it I’m back to worm food!