Are laptop users hogging Wi-Fi, tables ruining Toronto coffee shops?

IdRatherBeSkiing

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Dunno why people are so willing to use these laptops in public as it is said there's a big risk involved - I've heard others can easily tap into your online conversations and steal vital information. Small wonder why there is so much identity theft nowadays.

If the internet is not secured (with password) the transmission is not encrypted and can be tapped. One should never do one's banking from such a network.
 

JamesBondo

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we are basically creatures of habit.

for example:
- each day we get up to the same morning routine even if it isn't well defined .
- we eat basically the same meals, although we prefer to think that we eat a variety of meals.
- we succeed at things like health and fitness and study, by making them part of our daily rituals.

My point is, we have routines for being social, too. JLM made a good point, ie his 38k posts were stretched out over years. 38k doesn't suggest any fault in character, he has merely established this social media as a habit or a ritual over many years.

back to the topic, internet media and gadgetry are common these days. Someone in a coffee shop with a gadget might be doing exactly the same thing that we did with newspapers. Others with gadgets might be doing the exact same thing as we did with text books. Others might be doing the same thing as the accountant that takes a ledger book with them( sounds boring).
 

JLM

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that's what I thought too 8O


I've always thought it was safe (depending of course what you divulge in a moment of stupidity). Even if your account gets hacked how do they get their hands on the actual cash and without leaving a paper trail?
 

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I've always thought it was safe (depending of course what you divulge in a moment of stupidity). Even if your account gets hacked how do they get their hands on the actual cash and without leaving a paper trail?
dummy accounts set up with fake I.D. that they dump the money into and then transfer elsewhere and then remove, it would only take seconds...literally
 

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I'm sure an earlier generation cursed these damn kids and their papyrus and ink, and lamented the old days when kids could have a great time with just some wet clay and a sharpened reed.
 

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I'm sure an earlier generation cursed these damn kids and their papyrus and ink, and lamented the old days when kids could have a great time with just some wet clay and a sharpened reed.
exactly right...man you should have heard the old ladies in the pool this morning freaking out about jeans with holes at church...what an affront to show knee or midriff at church

it's a different world, they don't get it...things were always 'better in the past'
 

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Isn't the transmission encrypted as soon as you access the bank web site? https:

It is but in the end, what does that really mean? The way I look at it, as soon as a new security measure/method of encrypting data is developed and implemented, someone will come up with a way to crack it shortly thereafter. That's what Heartbleed was, wasn't it?

I think in the end it's a numbers game, we're all just playing the odds that our data is safe. There is no such thing as absolutely secure.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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Isn't the transmission encrypted as soon as you access the bank web site? https:

You are correct, https is encrypted. But not all sites you access are and certainly if one was to use the same password for all, one could guess it. Which is why your banking should also have a separate password.


But I generally am more careful with 1 less level of security on a public wifi network.

I've always thought it was safe (depending of course what you divulge in a moment of stupidity). Even if your account gets hacked how do they get their hands on the actual cash and without leaving a paper trail?

With e-transfers it is quick and easy. Before you found your money, it would be gone. I do get texts from my bank when a new one is set up but even then by the time I called the bank, the money would be gone (assuming I actually had money that is).
 

JLM

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exactly right...man you should have heard the old ladies in the pool this morning freaking out about jeans with holes at church...what an affront to show knee or midriff at church

it's a different world, they don't get it...things were always 'better in the past'


I can remember the day when in some families you were expected to wear a tie at the dinner table! What a crock!

dummy accounts set up with fake I.D. that they dump the money into and then transfer elsewhere and then remove, it would only take seconds...literally


Bank accounts are insured up to a maximum of $60,000 so I guess the lesson there is not to have more than $60 Gs in one bank.

exactly right...man you should have heard the old ladies in the pool this morning freaking out about jeans with holes at church...what an affront to show knee or midriff at church

it's a different world, they don't get it...things were always 'better in the past'


Them old gals need a shot of penicillin with a blunt needle! -:)
 

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I can remember the day when in some families you were expected to wear a tie at the dinner table! What a crock!
before my time...but an interesting requirement

Bank accounts are insured up to a maximum of $60,000 so I guess the lesson there is not to have more than $60 Gs in one bank.
that's a lot of cash sitting there not making anything
Them old gals need a shot of penicillin with a blunt needle!
no they are nice ladies, they just do not understand that their approval for the way others live is not a requirement and that their judgement is a waste of their energy

it also teaches me about how I want to present and how I do not want to present, how I want to be as I age and what I would like to avoid...I am noticing there are some people in my building who have a wider acceptance of others and life in general...they seem not only happier but more stable...it makes me ponder them and want to probe their belief system.
 

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no they are nice ladies, they just do not understand that their approval for the way others live is not a requirement and that their judgement is a waste of their energy


I'm sure they are, I just meant it as a method of teaching them that things were necessarily better in the old days. -:)
 

Sal

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I'm sure they are, I just meant it as a method of teaching them that things were necessarily better in the old days. -:)
it's a needed held belief...their old beliefs comfort them when the newness and strangeness of the world overwhelmes them, it's a method of coping
 

JLM

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that's a lot of cash sitting there not making anything
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Yes & No- It may not all be low interest paying accounts. I have a small amount in T.F.A.s which included mutual fund equities, same with R.R.I.F.s I also have a line of credit with a considerable amount of room left at the top end, also credit card with room at the top end, so if all the above got ripped off, it could be pretty damaging.
 

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I'm sure an earlier generation cursed these damn kids and their papyrus and ink, and lamented the old days when kids could have a great time with just some wet clay and a sharpened reed.

I believe Socrates said something to that effect. He figured people learning how to read and write would lead to poor memories as people would have to remember less. They could just look things up if they are written down. Imagine that.

it's a different world, they don't get it...things were always 'better in the past'

ha, and they never really where. People tend to idealize whatever time they grew up in regardless of when it was. Even my sister (who is only 23) is starting to make comments like this. I find that particularly odd as not much has really changed in the last 5-10 years. Having kids probably sped up her idealization of the past. My grandmother spoke about how things were so much "better" in the past which I now find odd. Her mother died of an infection that would have been easily fixed a few decades later, she was forced to give her first child up for adoption because she worked at a Catholic school and wasn't married, she graduated while WW2 was still going on. I really don't see how that type of world could possibly be better than the one that exists today. At least in this part of the world.
 

JLM

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I believe Socrates said something to that effect. He figured people learning how to read and write would lead to poor memories as people would have to remember less. They could just look things up if they are written down. Imagine that.



ha, and they never really where. People tend to idealize whatever time they grew up in regardless of when it was. Even my sister (who is only 23) is starting to make comments like this. I find that particularly odd as not much has really changed in the last 5-10 years. Having kids probably sped up her idealization of the past. My grandmother spoke about how things were so much "better" in the past which I now find odd. Her mother died of an infection that would have been easily fixed a few decades later, she was forced to give her first child up for adoption because she worked at a Catholic school and wasn't married, she graduated while WW2 was still going on. I really don't see how that type of world could possibly be better than the one that exists today. At least in this part of the world.


It works both ways, some stuff is better now, we're living longer without suffering some of the diseases we had as kids but also suffering from diseases that weren't prevalent when we were kids, like obesity and type 2 diabetes and H.I.V. Of course the dope that is running rampant now was almost non existent then. We are a little more tolerant about some things now than then. In my school days one did NOT tell the teacher to F**K off, especially in front of the whole class. In those days if you missed school you brought a note, today they don't seem to give a sh*t. On average I'd say it all balances out. Some of the kids today are high achievers and perform well at many levels.