Another step closer to Brexit: Withdrawal Bill wins first Commons vote

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Theresa May hailed an 'historic' moment tonight as Labour failed to defeat the government in the first vote on the EU Withdrawal Bill.

The crucial legislation was comfortably given its second reading in the Commons by a margin of 326 to 290 - a majority of 36.

Seven Labour MPs defied Jeremy Corbyn's order to oppose the bill, making clear during a near-nine hour debate that they were determined to implement the result of the referendum.

Importantly, the government also succeeded in passing its timetable for pushing the laws through parliament.

But ominously for ministers, senior Tory MPs were among those who vowed to force changes to the proposals at a later stage in the process.

The landmark measures would scrap the legislation that underpins our ties to Brussels, while at the same time copying all current EU law on to the domestic statute book to minimise disruption.

Britain takes another big step towards leaving Europe: Labour FAILS to defeat government's EU repeal bill as MPs defy Jeremy Corbyn in first votes on crucial legislation


The crucial EU Withdrawal Bill has passed its second reading vote in Commons

Was backed by MPs in the House receiving a comfortable majority of 36

Jeremy Corbyn had whipped Labour MPs to vote against law but faced a revolt

Tories set to join Labour MPs trying to amend the legislation later in process

By James Tapsfield, Political Editor For Mailonline
12 September 2017

Theresa May hailed an 'historic' moment tonight as Labour failed to defeat the government in the first vote on the EU Withdrawal Bill.

The crucial legislation was comfortably given its second reading in the Commons by a margin of 326 to 290 - a majority of 36.

Seven Labour MPs defied Jeremy Corbyn's order to oppose the bill, making clear during a near-nine hour debate that they were determined to implement the result of the referendum.

Importantly, the government also succeeded in passing its timetable for pushing the laws through parliament.

But ominously for ministers, senior Tory MPs were among those who vowed to force changes to the proposals at a later stage in the process.


Jeremy Corbyn was in the Commons for the end of the second reading debate tonight, where he ordered his MPs to vote against the Bill


Former minister Frank Field said he would be voting for the 'referendum result to be implemented' by backing the measures at second reading



Caroline Flint insisted she would be ignoring Labour's three-line whip to abstain so the legislation can proceed


The crucial legislation was comfortably given its second reading in the Commons by a majority of 36


The landmark measures would scrap the legislation that underpins our ties to Brussels, while at the same time copying all current EU law on to the domestic statute book to minimise disruption.

The Prime Minister said after the result: 'Earlier this morning parliament took a historic decision to back the will of the British people and vote for a bill which gives certainty and clarity ahead of our withdrawal from the European Union.

'Although there is more to do, this decision means we can move on with negotiations with solid foundations and we continue to encourage MPs from all parts of the UK to work together in support of this vital piece of legislation.'

Labour and some Tory MPs - including former Attorney General Dominic Grieve - voiced concern that ministers will also get so-called 'Henry VIII' powers to amend the rules as they are transposed.

THE LABOUR REBELS WHO BACKED THE BREXIT BILL

Seven Labour MPs rebelled by voting for the EU Withdrawal Bill's second reading. They were:

Ronnie Campbell (Blyth Valley),
Frank Field (Birkenhead),
Kate Hoey (Vauxhall),
Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North),
John Mann (Bassetlaw),
Dennis Skinner (Bolsover)
Graham Stringer (Blackley and Broughton).
Others, such as Caroline Flint (Don Valley), chose to abstain.


Mr Corbyn ordered his benches to oppose the Bill at second reading, even though it is a vote on the principle of the legislation.

However, he suffered a rebellion by a group of MPs who either supported Leave in the referendum or whose constituencies backed Brexit.

Former minister Frank Field said he would be voting for the 'referendum result to be implemented', and he was joined by six others including veteran left-winger Dennis Skinner. Caroline Flint abstained saying the legislation was 'necessary' and she wanted it to continue.

Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer admitted it was a 'deeply disappointing result'.

'This bill is an affront to parliamentary democracy and a naked power grab by government ministers. It leaves rights unprotected, it silences parliament on key decisions and undermines the devolution settlement,' he said.

'It will make the Brexit process more uncertain, and lead to division and chaos when we need unity and clarity.

'Labour will seek to amend and remove the worst aspects from the bill as it passes through parliament. But the flaws are so fundamental it’s hard to see how this bill could ever be made fit for purpose.'


Brexit Secretary David Davis was seen driving away from Parliament at 1am last night (pictured) following the crunch votes in the Commons


During the debate - which lasted nearly nine hours today and 13 in total - Mr Field, chairman of the Work and Pensions Committee, said: 'Tonight I will be voting for the only option - the referendum result to be implemented.

'That was the wish of my constituents and that was the wish of the country, and I don't wish there to be any different view put forward about whose side I'm on.

'I'm on the side of the majority of people who voted to come out.'

HOW THE NUMBERS STACKED UP ON THE EU REPEAL BILL

There were three divisions called on the EU Withdrawal Bill tonight.
A Labour amendment that would have block the draft legislation was defeated by 318 votes to 296, majority 22.
The second reading for the Bill was carried by 326 votes to 290, majority 36.
The government's timetable for pushing through the Bill was passed by 318 votes to 301, majority 17.
Two motions on the financial implications were nodded through without a vote.


In a message aimed at ministers, Mr Field added: 'We have seen many people when we started this process bravely going about their lifetime views to actually implement the views of their constituents.

'But given the frailty of human nature, we've had one or two recidivists who are now thinking... about there may be reasons for not doing this and doing the other.

'I therefore put on the order paper, when we come back to committee, grouping them together, a four-clause bill.

'Because the Government, by having this mega bill, is storing up no end of trouble by those people, those members who are wolves in sheep's clothing who will actually try and undo the measure.'

Mrs Flint told MPs the only reason for blocking the legislation would be to 'thwart' Brexit.

'The truth is, whoever was in Government, we would have to pass a Bill of this kind to prepare for leaving the EU in March 2019,' Mrs Flint said.

'And there can be little disagreement on that, unless your ambition is to thwart the result of the EU referendum and prevent or delay the UK leaving the EU.

'Now I believe Labour's job is to improve the Bill by amending it - not killing the Bill at the beginning of its passage through Parliament.'

She added: 'I will work with others to improve this Bill, but tonight I cannot vote to block this Bill and I shall be abstaining to allow the Bill to be further discussed and amended.

'We have a job to do to ensure a smooth, orderly Brexit.'


Brexit Secretary David Davis was in the Commons to hear the end of the debate on the EU Withdrawal Bill second reading tonight



The landmark measures being considered by the Commons tonight would scrap the legislation that underpins our ties to Brussels, while at the same time copying all current EU law on to the domestic statute book to minimise disruption



Justice Secretary David Lidington wound up the debate for he government tonight



Tory backbenchers supported the bill but many made clear they would seek amendments at a later stage


Labour MP Stephen Kinnock said the legislation amounted to a 'coup'. 'Let us make no mistake, this Bill is not about delivering the will of people, rather it's about gagging our democracy and this House by the way of a false discourse. It is a silent coup d'etat, masquerading as technical necessity,' he said.

Potential Tory rebels signalled that they would support the Bill at second reading - keeping their powder dry for later in the parliamentary process.

That meant the government had a comfortable majority in the key votes tonight, defeating a Labour amendment before securing the second reading.

But hundreds of amendments could be table as the legislation goes into committee stage next month, with peers vowing 'trench warfare' to soften Theresa May's approach to Brexit.

Under intense questioning from Mr Grieve, a QC, Justice Secretary David Lidington conceded the time available to propose changes in the committee stage could be extended.

'Where there is good reason to extend debate further, we are willing to consider that very seriously and carefully indeed,' he told Mr Grieve.

'I hope he will take that assurance in the spirit in which it has been intended.'

David Davis and Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson had warned that efforts to derail the legal overhaul would mean a 'disorderly' Brexit and cause severe damage to the economy.


Tories Sir Edward Leigh and Maria Miller both insisted the EU legislation must be allowed to proceed through second reading



Speaker John Bercow was in the chair through most of the debate, which lasted nearly nine hours today


Labour's Stephen Kinnock said he believed the legislation amounted to a 'coup' attempt


Mr Johnson told Today that failure to pass the legislation would mean 'the whole thing being disorderly and chaotic'.

He also held out an olive branch to the EU, saying he wanted to see the bloc have a 'renaissance' at the same time as the UK.

'I'm interest to hear that the commission president, Monsieur Juncker - who has many great qualities, by the way - he has said that he regards Brexit as... a moment for the renaissance of the European Union.

'Well, fantastic, let's get on with it, let's have a renaissance of the European Union.'

The Bill overturns the 1972 Act which took Britain into the European Economic Community and incorporates relevant EU laws into the UK statute book to prevent black holes in the law at the point of Brexit.

There are currently a guaranteed 64 hours over eight days for committee stage, when amendments can be made, but concerns have been expressed by Tory and Labour MPs that this will not be enough time given the constitutional significance of the legislation.


Mr Davis (left) has been embroiled in fraught Brexit negotiations with the EU's Michel Barnie

 

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After years of nodding along to the EU’s dilution of parliamentary democracy, Remainers are suddenly fans of parliamentary democracy, but only to the extent that it might be weaponised against mass sentiment. Using democracy as a tool against the demos? It’s the definition of cynical...

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The EU Withdrawal Bill is a victory for British parliamentary democracy


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Everyone needs to calm down about the EU Withdrawal Bill. The way anti-Brexiteers are talking about it you’d think Henry VIII himself had risen from his burial vault, sword in one hand, Anne Boleyn’s head in the other, come to crush parliament and the plebs beneath his velvet boot. The Tories’ use of ‘Henry VIII powers’ to incorporate, amend or ditch EU-born laws means they’re ‘acting like Tudor monarchs’, Brexit panickers claim. Please. There’s a chasm-sized moral difference between Theresa May’s executive antics and those of the Tudors: she’s acting on the command of 17.4m people, the largest democratic throng in British history, where they acted from personal kingly whim.

Hearing people who love the EU complain about the frustration of parliamentary democracy is of course hilarious. Like a bull in a china shop moaning about the lack of useable plates. Yet that’s what they’re doing, self-awareness not being their strong suit. The EU Withdrawal Bill, which passed its first stage last night by 326 votes to 290, is a ‘power grab’, they say, because it grants the government the power to rethink and tweak EU laws without parliamentary scrutiny. Executive officials can ‘correct the statute book where necessary’, in relation to EU laws that won’t be relevant post-Brexit, without having to seek the input or nod of MPs. This is a grave body-blow to democracy, EU-philes claim. It is an ‘executive coup’, says one columnist, and it makes Britain ‘vulnerable to tyranny’. It really doesn’t.

There are checks in the Bill. It doesn’t actually give May and her minions Henry-like powers of absolute say-so. There’s a sunset clause, which means the special authority of law-tweaking will no longer be exercisable two years after Exit Day. And, as ministers have repeatedly said, the powers will not be used to make new policy. They will be used to sort out reams and reams of EU law. Britain is subject to 12,000 EU regulations. Parliament has passed 7,900 statutory instruments that enforce EU legislation here. And all that our alleged Tudor-style tyrants are suggesting is that they should pore over all that and see which regulations are still relevant to a nation liberated from the EU oligarchy, and which are not. No diktats will be issued; no new churches founded; no heads chopped off. It’s cool. Imperfect, certainly, and something to keep an eye on, but cool.


If the critics of Brexit were genuinely keen on parliamentary democracy, they’d be excited by the key thing the EU Withdrawal Bill does: repeal the 1972 European Communities Act. It repeals that Act that dragged us into the EU and which — get this — gave European laws precedence over laws written and voted on by the commoners we elect and who sit in Westminster. The repeal of this act is a wonderful moment for British parliamentary democracy.

The ’72 Act seriously wounded the basic principle of every modern British struggle for democracy — that a people should only live by laws they’ve had some role in writing or okaying; that the public must consent to the institutions it is ruled by. It did this by making foreign law, drafted by distant commissioners in another country, superior to our democratic law. If the Brexit-bashers want parliamentary democracy protected and boosted, they will cheer this. They’d be tweeting about Britain’s ridding itself of the ’72 Act at least as much as they are about May’s executive plans.

But they aren’t. And I venture that this is because many of them aren’t really driven by a concern to defend parliamentary sovereignty but rather by an urge to dilute popular sovereignty. To tame and weaken that thing 17.4m ordinary people – shudder – said last June: ‘Let’s leave the EU.’ They fear popular democracy, and especially the popular thirst for Brexit.

After years of nodding along to the EU’s dilution of parliamentary democracy, they’re suddenly fans of parliamentary democracy, but only to the extent that it might be weaponised against mass sentiment. Using democracy as a tool against the demos? It’s the definition of cynical.

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Yeah weaponizing government against the peeps is what they are all about.
 

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It's sort of a "he said - she said" thing. What will Viscount Verbose's response be?

This part of Tay's post caught my eye. Not as smooth an exit as was said it would be. Really? :lol:

"This weekend, 16 months on from Leave’s narrow referendum win, the talk is no longer of quick deals, or smooth routes out. Instead, Theresa May and her cabinet are preparing the country for the possibility of “no deal” at all being reached with Brussels before the UK leaves at the end of March 2019. No deal would also mean no two-year transition of the kind that May said would be so important in her recent Florence speech. Many of the hardline Brexiters have changed their tune, and now cheer on the prospect of “no deal” as the only way to break free. None of the trade deals they envisaged have been done and none are in sight. (It is not possible to enter into them until we leave the customs union)...."

I wanted to put this GIF here to see if it would work. I guess it does. It seems to capture things pretty well.

 

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What the grim reality of a '˜bad-tempered' Brexit means

David Davis and Liam Fox were adamant leaving the EU would be easy. But with talks deadlocked, a no-deal scenario is horribly likely

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ality-of-bad-tempered-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw

Leaving the EU SHOULD be easy. It's only being made more difficult by the Remainers in Government and Parliament trying their best to sabotage it.

As for the Grauniad railing against a no deal, a recent poll shows three-quarters of the public would, in a commonsense way, prefer a no deal over a bad deal and, if the government feels it would be get a bad deal, then it'd leave with no deal.

The Grauniad isn't the kind of newspaper you really want to take notice of when it comes to the great thing that is Brexit or anything else.
 

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Regardless, we'll see. Yer lardship.

You will. Being outside the corrupt, undemocratic EU is infinitely better than being in it.

If you think it's so great, maybe you should campaign for Canada to join it.

Canada's a lot smaller than Britain and needs the EU much more than Britain does.
 

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You will. Being outside the corrupt, undemocratic EU is infinitely better than being in it.

If you think it's so great, maybe you should campaign for Canada to join it.

Canada's a lot smaller than Britain and needs the EU much more than Britain does.
I think most of us who tease you about Brexit failing just do so to keep you grounded to reality because of the outrageous post for leaving that you put on.


We (I) do not want to be in NAFTA and we are already in CETA.

I believe every Country should be able to regulate their own affairs without the 'dark' money hiding behind 'Trade' deals to support their causes which ultimately hurt the citizens of said Country.....
 

Blackleaf

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I think most of us who tease you about Brexit failing just do so to keep you grounded to reality because of the outrageous post for leaving that you put on.


We (I) do not want to be in NAFTA and we are already in CETA.

I believe every Country should be able to regulate their own affairs without the 'dark' money hiding behind 'Trade' deals to support their causes which ultimately hurt the citizens of said Country.....

Well you can't really compare NAFTA to the EU. The EU is, in effect, a country of 512 million people, whereas NAFTA is merely a trade organisation containing three countries.
 

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To be clear, I don't tease BL. I think he's an organ donor waiting for the phone call.

He's your typical, arrogant Brit who rarely knows anything about which he speaks. He posts at length about things that few people here read. He hasn't learned brevity carries the day. But he's a Brit, so it's like talking to a stone.

No one gives a rat's a$$ about British ghosts, Harry Potter or the other silly stories he cuts and pastes. What is the name of this forum? Hmmm, Canadian Content?

His UK acquaintances are probably plastic figurines placed around his computer. I just didn't want him to think that I'm teasing.
 

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To be clear, I don't tease BL. I think he's an organ donor waiting for the phone call.

He's your typical, arrogant Brit who rarely knows anything about which he speaks. He posts at length about things that few people here read. He hasn't learned brevity carries the day. But he's a Brit, so it's like talking to a stone.

No one gives a rat's a$$ about British ghosts, Harry Potter or the other silly stories he cuts and pastes. What is the name of this forum? Hmmm, Canadian Content?

His UK acquaintances are probably plastic figurines placed around his computer. I just didn't want him to think that I'm teasing.
Agreed


His inane postings with all the oversized letters and unneeded pictures are disappointing and for that very reason I hope Brexit fails and he becomes a remainer.


And as for the site being named CC and postings of other stories outside of Canada I am going to guess that the founders of the site put other categories on it so that the news relevant to those areas outside of Canada have a place.


Boomer and Mentalfloss seem to be the only 2 who are challenged by that concept when they are posting but at least it works well for the rest of the posters.........
 

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You're wrong on both counts, and that's why we'll continue to laugh at you. Shouldn't you be learning Arabic? Or you could learn Gaelic and earn some respect.
 

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Keep trying. One day you'll understand. :lol:

This is an artist's conception of your typical Brit at his computer. The Simpsons sure nailed it.