Another Alberta Message

[missile]

Being much smaller than the average Albertan,the Chinese wear only the two gallon Stetsons :lol:

 

[Jo Canadian]

Being much smaller than the average Albertan,the Chinese wear only the two gallon Stetsons :lol:

8O But they Suuuure like singing country songs in Karaokee. I still have nightmares about it!!!

You ever hear "Ekkey Brekkey Haart" sung in bad english?

 

[missile]

They play William Hung's "She bangs" all the time on our Comedy Radio here. I'll bet he sings Achy breaky on his CD.Perhaps the worst recorded "singer" of any time!

 

[Vanni Fucci]

I am not going anywhere. The province may, though. And you would not like my house, it leans a little to the right. :wink:

Well Ok, you can keep the damn house then...just as long as you sell OUR oil for us at a good price...

Just a question...you say OUR oil, as in all of Canada's. But if Alberta were to seperate and Canada would try to claim the oil as theirs, wouldn't that mean that Alberta has a right to partial ownership of resources in other provinces? Somehow I don't think that would fly.

No you're right, it wouldn't fly, because in separating, Alberta would lose status as a province, and would have a rightful claim to absolutely nothing...

 

[unspoken]

But then why would the rest of Canada have a claim on oil on Alberta territory? Because right now, if everything is owned by all of Canada regardless of the province it is located in, then Alberta is a part owner. So if they still had to share the oil if they seperated, then they would still retain their ownership of resources in other provinces.

 

[bluealberta]

Thought you might all like this. It is a great song:

Artist/Band: Brandt Paul
Lyrics for Song: Alberta Bound
Lyrics for Album: This Time Around
Sign said 40 miles to Canada

My truck tore across Montana
Ian Tyson sang a lonesome lullaby
And so I cranked up the radio
Cause there's just a little more to go
For I'd cross the border at that Sweet Grass sign
I'm Alberta Bound

This piece of heaven that I've found
Rocky Mountains and black fertile ground
Everything I need beneath that big blue sky
Doesn't matter where I go
This place will always be my home
Yeah I've been Alberta Bound for all my life
And I'll be Alberta Bound until I die

It's a pride that's been passed down to me
Deep as coal mines, wide as farmer's fields
Yeah, I've got independence in my veins
Maybe it's my down-home redneck roots

Or these dusty 'ol Alberta boots
But like a Chinook wind keeps coming back again

Great song. Maybe it could be our new national anthem? :wink:

 

[Vanni Fucci]

But then why would the rest of Canada have a claim on oil on Alberta territory? Because right now, if everything is owned by all of Canada regardless of the province it is located in, then Alberta is a part owner. So if they still had to share the oil if they seperated, then they would still retain their ownership of resources in other provinces.

Let's see if I can explain this so that you can grasp it...

Alberta has claim to it's natural resources because it is a province of Canada. If Alberta were to choose to give up that status, and as soon as they had signed the Articles of Secession, at that moment, they would no longer be a province of Canada, and would lose all rights they enjoyed as a province. That would include all oil, timber, water, and the like. Private property, such as cattle ranches would become contested land, as the federal government would have as much claim on the land as the private owner, as the title to that land is a provincial jurisdiction, and would be dissolved upon secession, for if there is no more province of Alberta, who have they registered that land with?

I'm thinking that most of what was once the province of Alberta would become Crown land.

 

[I think not]

But then why would the rest of Canada have a claim on oil on Alberta territory? Because right now, if everything is owned by all of Canada regardless of the province it is located in, then Alberta is a part owner. So if they still had to share the oil if they seperated, then they would still retain their ownership of resources in other provinces.

Let's see if I can explain this so that you can grasp it...

Alberta has claim to it's natural resources because it is a province of Canada. If Alberta were to choose to give up that status, and as soon as they had signed the Articles of Secession, at that moment, they would no longer be a province of Canada, and would lose all rights they enjoyed as a province. That would include all oil, timber, water, and the like. Private property, such as cattle ranches would become contested land, as the federal government would have as much claim on the land as the private owner, as the title to that land is a provincial jurisdiction, and would be dissolved upon secession, for if there is no more province of Alberta, who have they registered that land with?

I'm thinking that most of what was once the province of Alberta would become Crown land.

This is probably a stupid question, but wouldn't this apply to Quebec also?

 

[Said1]

Thought you might all like this. It is a great song:

Artist/Band: Brandt Paul
Lyrics for Song: Alberta Bound
Lyrics for Album: This Time Around


Sign said 40 miles to Canada
My truck tore across Montana
Ian Tyson sang a lonesome lullaby
And so I cranked up the radio
Cause there's just a little more to go
For I'd cross the border at that Sweet Grass sign
I'm Alberta Bound

This piece of heaven that I've found
Rocky Mountains and black fertile ground
Everything I need beneath that big blue sky
Doesn't matter where I go
This place will always be my home
Yeah I've been Alberta Bound for all my life
And I'll be Alberta Bound until I die

It's a pride that's been passed down to me
Deep as coal mines, wide as farmer's fields
Yeah, I've got independence in my veins
Maybe it's my down-home redneck roots

Or these dusty 'ol Alberta boots
But like a Chinook wind keeps coming back again

Great song. Maybe it could be our new national anthem? :wink:

As much as I love that song, I think the first line is the best. 8)

 

[Vanni Fucci]

But then why would the rest of Canada have a claim on oil on Alberta territory? Because right now, if everything is owned by all of Canada regardless of the province it is located in, then Alberta is a part owner. So if they still had to share the oil if they seperated, then they would still retain their ownership of resources in other provinces.

Let's see if I can explain this so that you can grasp it...

Alberta has claim to it's natural resources because it is a province of Canada. If Alberta were to choose to give up that status, and as soon as they had signed the Articles of Secession, at that moment, they would no longer be a province of Canada, and would lose all rights they enjoyed as a province. That would include all oil, timber, water, and the like. Private property, such as cattle ranches would become contested land, as the federal government would have as much claim on the land as the private owner, as the title to that land is a provincial jurisdiction, and would be dissolved upon secession, for if there is no more province of Alberta, who have they registered that land with?

I'm thinking that most of what was once the province of Alberta would become Crown land.

This is probably a stupid question, but wouldn't this apply to Quebec also?

Yes it would...and additionally, the St. Lawrence Seaway is of economic and strategic importance, and not something that Canada would give up lightly...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Thought you might all like this. It is a great song:

Artist/Band: Brandt Paul
Lyrics for Song: Alberta Bound
Lyrics for Album: This Time Around
Sign said 40 miles to Canada

My truck tore across Montana
Ian Tyson sang a lonesome lullaby
And so I cranked up the radio
Cause there's just a little more to go
For I'd cross the border at that Sweet Grass sign
I'm Alberta Bound

This piece of heaven that I've found
Rocky Mountains and black fertile ground
Everything I need beneath that big blue sky
Doesn't matter where I go
This place will always be my home
Yeah I've been Alberta Bound for all my life
And I'll be Alberta Bound until I die

It's a pride that's been passed down to me
Deep as coal mines, wide as farmer's fields
Yeah, I've got independence in my veins
Maybe it's my down-home redneck roots

Or these dusty 'ol Alberta boots
But like a Chinook wind keeps coming back again

Great song. Maybe it could be our new national anthem? :wink:

Heh... :roll:

 

[I think not]

Yes it would...and additionally, the St. Lawrence Seaway is of economic and strategic importance, and not something that Canada would give up lightly...

Do the separatists know this? In Quebec I mean. What are they going to be left with if everything becomes crown land? The mosquitoes?

 

[Said1]

Yes it would...and additionally, the St. Lawrence Seaway is of economic and strategic importance, and not something that Canada would give up lightly...

Do the separatists know this? In Quebec I mean. What are they going to be left with if everything becomes crown land? The mosquitoes?

I'm not sure what they know exactly. The logistics of seperation seems to fall on deaf ears. If they did seperate, it sure would free up a lot of jobs in this city!

 

[I think not]

Yes it would...and additionally, the St. Lawrence Seaway is of economic and strategic importance, and not something that Canada would give up lightly...

Do the separatists know this? In Quebec I mean. What are they going to be left with if everything becomes crown land? The mosquitoes?

I'm not sure what they know exactly. The logistics of seperation seems to fall on deaf ears. If they did seperate, it sure would free up a lot of jobs in this city!

It seems to me the separatists aren't telling the people of Quebec the whole story. I don't get it. How can they separate and not get to keep anything? It makes no sense. Or is this all about money?

 

[Toro]

RE: Another Alberta Messa

Its Alberta's oil. The BNA Act gives provinces the right to all the natural resources of the provinces. That's a pre-condition of joining Confederation. Before the province joined Confederation, it had all rights over the natural resources. So if the provinces have the rights to the minerals before they enter Confederation, they have the rights when they leave. Also, because Alberta would not be part of Canada, the government of Canada has no rights over the territory of an independent country. There is no place in the world where one country has the rights, by law, over the territory of another country if the other country does not agree. So if you guys keep squawking about international law, respect it when it works against you.

 

[annabattler]

RE: Another Alberta Messa

Hmmmm. These "speculations" are interesting.
If one were to do a survey,I think you'd find that a majority of Alberta's population are "immigrants" from other provinces. They're there because of the jobs. ...they still have strong attachments to their families in other parts of Canada.
Ontario could probably "go it alone" too.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Yes it would...and additionally, the St. Lawrence Seaway is of economic and strategic importance, and not something that Canada would give up lightly...

Do the separatists know this? In Quebec I mean. What are they going to be left with if everything becomes crown land? The mosquitoes?

I must admit, I find it difficult to sympathize with people who entertain such treasonous thoughts, but at the same time, I recognize that they are just people who want things to be better for themselves and their family.

That said, the federal government should be forthright with underlining the legalities involved in any attempt at secession. I suspect that these things have not been told, because it would anger the Quebecois even more and rally people to the separtist banner.

I also suspect that moments after a "Oui" vote came out, the Canadian military would mobilize to secure those assets that Canada wished to dispute. These would include among other things, military bases in the former province of Quebec, the St. Lawrence Seaway, the Trans-Canada Highway, and perhaps nuclear energy plants and hydro-electric stations. All else would be negotiated by the federal government at a severe disadvantage to the Quebecois. This is true even though the Province of Quebec never signed the Constitution Act of 1982.

Alberta can make no such claim.

 

[I think not]

I must admit, I find it difficult to sympathize with people who entertain such treasonous thoughts, but at the same time, I recognize that they are just people who want things to be better for themselves and their family.

That said, the federal government should be forthright with underlining the legalities involved in any attempt at secession. I suspect that these things have not been told, because it would anger the Quebecois even more and rally people to the separtist banner.

I also suspect that moments after a "Oui" vote came out, the Canadian military would mobilize to secure those assets that Canada wished to dispute. These would include among other things, military bases in the former province of Quebec, the St. Lawrence Seaway, the Trans-Canada Highway, and perhaps nuclear energy plants and hydro-electric stations. All else would be negotiated by the federal government at a severe disadvantage to the Quebecois. This is true even though the Province of Quebec never signed the Constitution Act of 1982.

Alberta can make no such claim.

I agree with you up there and thanks for the info. I didn't know this although it seems Toro up there disagrees with you.

 

[Toro]

RE: Another Alberta Messa

Separation is always messy ITN. If Alberta were to go on its own, the same arguments would apply to Alberta as they do to Quebec, i.e. can't use passport, can't send MPs to Ottawa, etc. But I do not believe that either Alberta or Quebec would give up their rights to their natural resources. There are questions about federal assets, but those would be resolved through negotiations. If it were to come to that. Hopefully.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Another Alberta Messa

Separation is always messy ITN. If Alberta were to go on its own, the same arguments would apply to Alberta as they do to Quebec, i.e. can't use passport, can't send MPs to Ottawa, etc. But I do not believe that either Alberta or Quebec would give up their rights to their natural resources. There are questions about federal assets, but those would be resolved through negotiations. If it were to come to that. Hopefully.

True, but in Alberta you have mainly rational conservative minded individuals, you do not have the langauge tensions that exist in Quebec between the English and French speaking folks. If Alberta tried to join the US thru a referendum, there probably would not be any issues locally within Alberta.